agree with CharlieFox for the current situation
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2025 Ram 1500 Order Updates
I can only imagine. Yes this launch seems to be having issues, but I'm guessing most of them do. I've also been on the auto industry and heard that it's often cheaper to keep the lines running and fix issues offline ....now at what point that inflection point changes is another story and I think we seen that eluded to by the Stellantis CEO.
All of these recent comments align with the CEO's comments on improving DRR (direct run rate) at SHAP. It's really the only thing that makes sense as a root cause as to why the trucks aren't being produced.
Also, in support of this being the root cause is the fact that information as to the delays is not being given. If production delays were being caused by raw material issues (transmissions, etc.) then we would be hearing about it from Stellantis. However, it's in Stellantis' best interest to not communicate quality issues to the media or customers as it calls into question the quality of trucks being put out into the market.
Fortunately, this is being handled through shipment delays and not through increasing risk of recalls... to the best of our knowledge.
Also, in support of this being the root cause is the fact that information as to the delays is not being given. If production delays were being caused by raw material issues (transmissions, etc.) then we would be hearing about it from Stellantis. However, it's in Stellantis' best interest to not communicate quality issues to the media or customers as it calls into question the quality of trucks being put out into the market.
Fortunately, this is being handled through shipment delays and not through increasing risk of recalls... to the best of our knowledge.
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The big question, will any of us get our trucks this year? I am honestly starting to doubt it. At this point I am going to start looking at alternatives. What a mess this has been. Ordered a Limited in January and then ordered a rebel in May. Neither has been scheduled.
Sounds like our best chance of knowing is finding someone who lives in or near Sterling Heights that is able to see how many cars are moving out of their "rework" lot. Sure as hell not getting any good information from Stellantis!
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I'd agree with you on that, but this "launch" was largely unchanged when you compare it to the 2019 launch, that didn't have issues like this. This has Stellantis all over it...
7,000 trucks likely isn't just parked around SHAP, but in lots around Detroit. I was up around Dearborn and Grosse Point a few weeks ago, no lots full of Rams that I could see
18 Tungstens on the eshop as of this morning. All but 2 are "sale pending".
Just received a proactive call from my dealer. (He checks the status of his ordered trucks weekly. I really appreciate that extra legwork on his end.)
My Tungsten build was originally scheduled to ship the 3rd week of August and now the status has slipped to the 3rd week of September. Very similar to what others are saying, but thought I'd add a data point to the conversation.
Dumb question to the group.... are all trim levels of the RAM 1500 assembled at SHAP, or are there other locations? (For example the F-150 has everything Lariat and higher at Dearborn, but below the Lariat trim is assembled in KC) EDIT: after some inter web looking - all 5th gen 1500 are in Sterling Heights, MI (SHAP). Classic RAMs are at Warren, MI.
My Tungsten build was originally scheduled to ship the 3rd week of August and now the status has slipped to the 3rd week of September. Very similar to what others are saying, but thought I'd add a data point to the conversation.
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Not necessarily true. My '16 F150 was built at Dearborn and funny/not funny, all the F150s at a dealership in Saline, MI, (not far from Dearborn) were built in KC.
Unlike Ford and GM, only one plant builds Ram 1500s. The GM twins are built in Ft Wayne, IN and Mexico.
There's a sub in r/Stellantis that confirms they filled up lots with trucks that have electrical and software issues and they're trying to rework the trucks.
Sort by date, it's only a day old.
Apparently CEO is visiting SHAP on 8/23 because of the **** show.
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Here's the link
MCA = Mid Cycle Action (AKA the 2025 refresh).
Highlights: Vehicles waiting to be reworked are being stored offsite on other Stellantis lot since they didn't have enough space to do so at SHAP. They've brought in an "outside team" to help with the rework, but a poster alludes to that not going well.
Sort by date, it's only a day old.
Apparently CEO is visiting SHAP on 8/23 because of the **** show.
Edits:
Here's the link
MCA = Mid Cycle Action (AKA the 2025 refresh).
Highlights: Vehicles waiting to be reworked are being stored offsite on other Stellantis lot since they didn't have enough space to do so at SHAP. They've brought in an "outside team" to help with the rework, but a poster alludes to that not going well.
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Is it true that the Warren plant that made the Classic annnounced layoffs is being converted to make the Rebel X.
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I spent some time on reddit last night. IMO, these 2025s will be trouble. This is far from how the 2019 launch went.
Stellantis is doing a great job killing a once great Brand
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might explain the trucks at belvedere for a while.
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This to me is somewhat good news… keep them fix them and then give us our trucks. I do not want to get a 85k truck to just have to take it back to the dealer for a problem they don’t know how to fix. Yes it sucks for all of us that don’t have our trucks now but in the long run it will be better.
My thoughts exactly. Everthing makes sense now - especially the silence around the delays. They're in a pickle, but doing the right thing by customers (and for the business) by fixing them on site.
The next piece of curiosity I have is how they got into the pickle to begin with. For example, there was a UAW video talking to short electrical connectors. 100% pure speculation, but if they ordered 1000s of these connectors and a good percentage of them were defective (or even if all were defective) because they were too short, naturally then wouldn't want to stop production if the fix was reasonably easy to execute. What was the root cause of the issue, though? Certainly, they have a gap in their ordering or raw material QC process (again, speculating on this entirely). Are they addressing this? Is the communication from plant leadership to the CEO precise enough? I've seen executives get only partial information and make decisions based on partial information which can lead to counterproductive results. For example, if the message they are receiving is distorted, they may give direction to people to work on X when they should really be working on Y. Maybe this is CT's objective - to ensure he and the Ram brand CEO are getting the full scoop?
Very interesting to see how this plays out - but unfortunately what's going on that deep into the organization is probably something that won't ever be known to the 5th gen forums.
well said! and I agree. while I b*tch plenty about this, I understand it. My 2014 spent wayyy too much time in the shop, so I'm definitely in the corner of "fix it before I get it."
Does your VIN end in 186? I think I see your truck.
Dang - I'm starting to rethink my order of my Tungsten given all the talk of the quality control issues. I don't want to spend that kind of money on a truck to beg for issues later. Wondering if I should pivot to GMC Denali or stick with order another F-150. I'm pretty excited for the RAM features, but surely want to avoid frustration to. I haven't had any significant issues with my F-150, just a few minor recall items.
