Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[Bsteiner36]

Seems like Ram is really pushing the Tungsten and Rebel models for 2025. Still nothing for the 2025 Limited. I wonder if they have a large stock pile of salt color leather they need to get rid of.

 

[Darksteel165]

Less payload, less towing, more cost, more maintenance, no engine dipstick, premium fuel required on the HO version, no MPG improvement in the real world, and 100% unproven for use in a pickup truck so far.

That's a hard no for me. You guys be the guinea pigs.

The only reason guys are intrigued is because this engine is all new and we haven't had an all new engine in a Ram in over a decade. I promise that when the honeymoon is over people are going to miss that sweet Hemi V8.

And at that point FCA will not make a v8 because they have people buying small turbo engines already.

Ram can't even handle selling 2024s right now without getting a dead battery nightly and people think a new engine setup is going to go well for a company who can't handle basic electronic.

People custom ordering the 2025s are insane, wait till 2026 at least even if you want this imo.

 

[silver billet]

The truck to get if you want more power than the hemi, is the Ram Charger. It has even more power than the H/O, while using a very reliable pentastar for the generator. That engine is a known quantity and will last forever if properly maintained. The platform is closer to a 2500 than a 1500, should be a much better towing machine than the S/O which is where you get your max towing from in the gassers.

That leaves the battery/EV bits but they've had experience with EVs and E/T for a while now, I don't see how they can screw that up. Still wouldn't be a first year customer though.

I'm just going to let everyone else try these things out with their own money. A good 50 percent of the reason I bought my 2019 was due to the ancient, reliable, and smooth power train. Not giving that up anytime soon.

 

[WXman]

How does one check the oil?

Sensor on the engine. And we all know that sensors never fail.

Pure speculation on some of your opinion.

Which part? I've got time for a good debate.

 

[Ram1500OwnerMaybe]

The truck to get if you want more power than the hemi, is the Ram Charger. It has even more power than the H/O, while using a very reliable pentastar for the generator. That engine is a known quantity and will last forever if properly maintained. The platform is closer to a 2500 than a 1500, should be a much better towing machine than the S/O which is where you get your max towing from in the gassers.

That leaves the battery/EV bits but they've had experience with EVs and E/T for a while now, I don't see how they can screw that up. Still wouldn't be a first year customer though.

I'm just going to let everyone else try these things out with their own money. A good 50 percent of the reason I bought my 2019 was due to the ancient, reliable, and smooth power train. Not giving that up anytime soon.

No an EV fan but if I were to go, it would be this route for sure.
One of the few EVs that actually make sense.
But, will it be affordable to the average consumer?
What is the starting price for the Ram Charger?

 

[WXman]

Pure speculation on some of your opinion.

Less payload – Already proven via charts shown on this forum
Less towing- Already proven via charts shown on this forum
More cost- Anybody can do basic math
More maintenance and no engine dipstick- The requirements for this engine translate directly to higher cost of service intervals AND it’s more difficult to do at home now because there is factually no dipstick
Premium fuel required on the HO version- Stated in an article posted to this forum and Mopar Insiders
No MPG improvement in the real world- Over 35,000 miles have been logged on several Grand Wagoneer vehicles by real owners on Fuelly and the lifetime average so far is 16.1 MPG. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Hemi puts up the same or better and has been for 20 years.
100% unproven for use in a pickup truck so far- How can this be debated? The engine hasn’t been put into a truck until now. And the Wagoneer doesn’t tow over 12k lbs.

The only thing that could be considered speculation is that guys will miss their V8s once the honeymoon is over with the new engine, but I’d still bet on it. This isn’t a new rodeo. Ask Ford. They thought people would forget about the V8 too, and years went by with the 5.0 remaining as the #1 seller by individual engine option. And let’s not forget all the EcoBoost lawsuits over misleading fuel economy claims.

 

[Biga]

Less payload – Already proven via charts shown on this forum
Less towing- Already proven via charts shown on this forum
More cost- Anybody can do basic math
More maintenance and no engine dipstick- The requirements for this engine translate directly to higher cost of service intervals AND it’s more difficult to do at home now because there is factually no dipstick
Premium fuel required on the HO version- Stated in an article posted to this forum and Mopar Insiders
No MPG improvement in the real world- Over 35,000 miles have been logged on several Grand Wagoneer vehicles by real owners on Fuelly and the lifetime average so far is 16.1 MPG. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Hemi puts up the same or better and has been for 20 years.
100% unproven for use in a pickup truck so far- How can this be debated? The engine hasn’t been put into a truck until now. And the Wagoneer doesn’t tow over 12k lbs.

The only thing that could be considered speculation is that guys will miss their V8s once the honeymoon is over with the new engine, but I’d still bet on it. This isn’t a new rodeo. Ask Ford. They thought people would forget about the V8 too, and years went by with the 5.0 remaining as the #1 seller by individual engine option. And let’s not forget all the EcoBoost lawsuits over misleading fuel economy claims.

Ford Sells far more V6 F150's then V8's. Last I heard the V8 take rate was 25% and that has been a couple years.

 

[Bsteiner36]

Less payload – Already proven via charts shown on this forum
Less towing- Already proven via charts shown on this forum
More cost- Anybody can do basic math
More maintenance and no engine dipstick- The requirements for this engine translate directly to higher cost of service intervals AND it’s more difficult to do at home now because there is factually no dipstick
Premium fuel required on the HO version- Stated in an article posted to this forum and Mopar Insiders
No MPG improvement in the real world- Over 35,000 miles have been logged on several Grand Wagoneer vehicles by real owners on Fuelly and the lifetime average so far is 16.1 MPG. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Hemi puts up the same or better and has been for 20 years.
100% unproven for use in a pickup truck so far- How can this be debated? The engine hasn’t been put into a truck until now. And the Wagoneer doesn’t tow over 12k lbs.

The only thing that could be considered speculation is that guys will miss their V8s once the honeymoon is over with the new engine, but I’d still bet on it. This isn’t a new rodeo. Ask Ford. They thought people would forget about the V8 too, and years went by with the 5.0 remaining as the #1 seller by individual engine option. And let’s not forget all the EcoBoost lawsuits over misleading fuel economy claims.

Less payload – Yup
Less towing - Yup

More Cost - Could be due to other factors as well. My 2025 Limited is more expensive than my 2019, but there are things that are included that weren't previously. Ram Box standard, 33 gallon tank standard, Massaging seats, etc. So I think the higher cost is a result of more options that people might actually want or need.

No Engine Dip stick - For me this isn't an issue since I take my truck to the dealer for the oil changes since I don't have the time at home to do it myself(Nor do I want to). I do agree sensors are terrible and fail constantly so that isn't a plus.

MPG - The Grand Waggoneer is 1000+ more pounds then the 1500 ram I believe. So I would think the Ram would get better gas mileage than the Waggoneer.

 

[lonepeak]

Like the video pointed out you have to select the truck to match your purpose. For some of us it is road trips, medium towing, errands, small acreages, etc. I'm looking at the Limited as I don't need or want some of the Tungsten features such as sun roof. Not sure I need the HO engine which is only choice for now but look forward to the road tests such as the one Reignited did earlier but that was a Grand Wagoneer. RAM boxes are an essential for me which are included. I would prefer 20" tires such as on the Laramie. Its options get close to the Limited but does not offer the projector headlights which I prefer. It has the SO engine but HO not available if you prefer that. It also offers the 3.55 rear axle with the 3.92 as option. The next month or so will reveal a lot IMO.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Sensor on the engine. And we all know that sensors never fail.



Which part? I've got time for a good debate.

There has been no "real world" gas mileage comparison because they haven't sold and hurricane Rams yet. You can't use the GW as an example for fuel mileage whole dismissing it for towing in the same post.

Cost of maintenance is lure speculation at this point since it hasn't been in use long term.

Higher selling price is a moot point. The 2023 Rams were higher most than my 2020 and they had less standard equipment

 

[silver billet]

Ford Sells far more V6 F150's then V8's. Last I heard the V8 take rate was 25% and that has been a couple years.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'd love to see the data on this.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Not saying you're wrong, but I'd love to see the data on this.

This is a few years old, but can't imagine it's changed much.

V8 Market Share in the Ford F-150 Down to Just a Quarter

As Ford prepares to launch the refreshed 2018 F-150 with a thoroughly updated engine lineup, Ford expects only one-quarter of F-150 buyers to choose a V8.

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

 

[mikeru82]

I just want to weigh in here on the lack of dipstick thing. Luxury brands have been producing cars without dipsticks for at least 20 years now. And oil level sensor failures aren't a thing. Having said that, I'd prefer to have a dipstick in all my vehicles. But I've owned three Audi's now, none of which had dipsticks, and have never had an issue with an oil level sensor.

 

[lonepeak]

Have had two vehicles with oil sensors over 10 years. Not an issue IMO.

 

[Darksteel165]

No Engine Dip stick - For me this isn't an issue since I take my truck to the dealer for the oil changes since I don't have the time at home to do it myself(Nor do I want to). I do agree sensors are terrible

Until your engine fails due to lack of oil and the dealership has Ram void your warranty due to driving with too little oil.
It's in the Ram handbook that says burning oil is NORMAL between changes on a brand new truck.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Until your engine fails due to lack of oil and the dealership has Ram void your warranty due to driving with too little oil.
It's in the Ram handbook that says burning oil is NORMAL between changes on a brand new truck.

I mean, most people don't check their oil even with a dipstick. Not having one isn't going to change much for the majority of owners.

 

[lonepeak]

The sensors I'm familiar with would give a low oil warning and I imagine the process is documented by the ECU. I think the engineers thought this through years ago to prevent an engine running out of oil with damage.

 

[Scram1500]

I guess we'll never know when the momo at the dealership gives us that extra quart or two. Does the the sensor detect overfull or foam in the oil?

 

[Jimmy07]

I guess we'll never know when the momo at the dealership gives us that extra quart or two. Does the the sensor detect overfull or foam in the oil?

Well, let’s go to the owners manual and see if they were able to dream up an incredibly simple way to check that:

 

[Scram1500]

Well, let’s go to the owners manual and see if they were able to dream up an incredibly simple way to check that:
View attachment 176827

That's pretty incredible