Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[Darksteel165]

I mean, most people don't check their oil even with a dipstick. Not having one isn't going to change much for the majority of owners.

Is Ram going to start calling the oil "lifetime oil" and put it in a "sealed system"?
There's 0 reason to remove the dipstick except to be anti-consumer imo.
Anything electronic CAN fail even if a rare case. A rare case that could result in complete engine failure.
Do people still think the "oil life %" is actually accurate? How many people have gotten oil tested and saw for themselves that then oil was not at "0% life"

Just because some people don't know how cars\trucks work and always go to the dealership twice a year for service doesn't mean the rest of us should need to suffer.

Funny they tell you to do to the dealership if your "electronic dip stick" stops working

 

[Serpens]

That's not a warning to go to the dealer because the electronic dipstick is not working, it's a warning to go to the dealer because you have a serious oil leak.

 

[mikeru82]

Is Ram going to start calling the oil "lifetime oil" and put it in a "sealed system"?
There's 0 reason to remove the dipstick except to be anti-consumer imo.
Anything electronic CAN fail even if a rare case. A rare case that could result in complete engine failure.
Do people still think the "oil life %" is actually accurate? How many people have gotten oil tested and saw for themselves that then oil was not at "0% life"

Just because some people don't know how cars\trucks work and always go to the dealership twice a year for service doesn't mean the rest of us should need to suffer.

Funny they tell you to do to the dealership if your "electronic dip stick" stops working
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You're getting all worked up over nothing. As I mentioned before, I'd prefer to have a dipstick. But I've learned to live without one and the world didn't end. Wait until they figure out how many more oil changes they can do by relocating the oil filter to the upper engine bay area and start doing them by extracting the oil out the top. Never even touch the drain plug. Then ya'll will be losing your minds.

 

[Biga]

Not saying you're wrong, but I'd love to see the data on this.

This was in 2018, can't find anything currant.

V8 Market Share in the Ford F-150 Down to Just a Quarter

As Ford prepares to launch the refreshed 2018 F-150 with a thoroughly updated engine lineup, Ford expects only one-quarter of F-150 buyers to choose a V8.

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

 

[BowDown]

Less payload – Already proven via charts shown on this forum
Less towing- Already proven via charts shown on this forum
More cost- Anybody can do basic math
More maintenance and no engine dipstick- The requirements for this engine translate directly to higher cost of service intervals AND it’s more difficult to do at home now because there is factually no dipstick
Premium fuel required on the HO version- Stated in an article posted to this forum and Mopar Insiders
No MPG improvement in the real world- Over 35,000 miles have been logged on several Grand Wagoneer vehicles by real owners on Fuelly and the lifetime average so far is 16.1 MPG. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Hemi puts up the same or better and has been for 20 years.
100% unproven for use in a pickup truck so far- How can this be debated? The engine hasn’t been put into a truck until now. And the Wagoneer doesn’t tow over 12k lbs.

The only thing that could be considered speculation is that guys will miss their V8s once the honeymoon is over with the new engine, but I’d still bet on it. This isn’t a new rodeo. Ask Ford. They thought people would forget about the V8 too, and years went by with the 5.0 remaining as the #1 seller by individual engine option. And let’s not forget all the EcoBoost lawsuits over misleading fuel economy claims.

Not likely true, my wifes car doesn't have a dipstick. I hit a couple buttons on the steering wheel and the oil level is displayed on the dash
I already use premium so that's a none issue
MPG, that's a bit disappointing but I'll reserve judgment until we see Rams on the street with them. I'd be ok if it matched my current MPG. That said, many here don't get the window sticker MPG estimates so I don't know that that's a real issue.

I don't agree with the last paragraph at all

 

[BowDown]

Sensor on the engine. And we all know that sensors never fail.



Which part? I've got time for a good debate.

How many sensors have failed on your current truck?

 

[BowDown]

I just want to weigh in here on the lack of dipstick thing. Luxury brands have been producing cars without dipsticks for at least 20 years now. And oil level sensor failures aren't a thing. Having said that, I'd prefer to have a dipstick in all my vehicles. But I've owned three Audi's now, none of which had dipsticks, and have never had an issue with an oil level sensor.

Same here on all points. 2 Audis and a Jaguar. None had dipsticks and oil level sensor never failed

 

[BowDown]

Well, let’s go to the owners manual and see if they were able to dream up an incredibly simple way to check that:
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Exact same procedure on my wifes XF, never had an issue

 

[SD Rebel]

My first car with a non-dipstick is our 2006 BMW 328I (E90), a gazillion hard miles later and all the leaks you can think of, but the oil level sensor was never an issue, I honestly don't mind it.

On my 2004 170R Benz, it has a rudimentary oil level sensor that works before starting (reads either OK, 1 Quart High, 1 Quart Low, 2 Quart Low), but also a dipstick. Would be nice to still have the dipstick but also see from the cabin your oil level or at least if "OK" before driving off.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Is Ram going to start calling the oil "lifetime oil" and put it in a "sealed system"?
There's 0 reason to remove the dipstick except to be anti-consumer imo.
Anything electronic CAN fail even if a rare case. A rare case that could result in complete engine failure.
Do people still think the "oil life %" is actually accurate? How many people have gotten oil tested and saw for themselves that then oil was not at "0% life"

Just because some people don't know how cars\trucks work and always go to the dealership twice a year for service doesn't mean the rest of us should need to suffer.

Funny they tell you to do to the dealership if your "electronic dip stick" stops working
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Actually that says to see the dealer if you added oil and it didn't register it as full. Meaning, you may have waited too long to add and needed more than 1qt. In which case, go to the dealer for oil consumption check or to check for damage since you ran the oil low

 

[firecadet613]

Actually that says to see the dealer if you added oil and it didn't register it as full. Meaning, you may have waited too long to add and needed more than 1qt. In which case, go to the dealer for oil consumption check or to check for damage since you ran the oil low

Still no reason not to have a dipstick, Ford still has them on their twin turbos.

The easiest (and cleanest) oil change I've ever done was on my F-150 with the 2.7. A plastic quarter turn drain plug and a cartridge oil filter up on top.... super easy.

 

[silver billet]

This was in 2018, can't find anything currant.

V8 Market Share in the Ford F-150 Down to Just a Quarter

As Ford prepares to launch the refreshed 2018 F-150 with a thoroughly updated engine lineup, Ford expects only one-quarter of F-150 buyers to choose a V8.

www.thetruthaboutcars.com

Welp, it's confirmed, the average Ford buyer has brain damage

 

[HSKR R/T]

Still no reason not to have a dipstick, Ford still has them on their twin turbos.

The easiest (and cleanest) oil change I've ever done was on my F-150 with the 2.7. A plastic quarter turn drain plug and a cartridge oil filter up on top.... super easy.

I dunno, local friends dipstick on his Hemi broke off couple weeks ago and leaked some oil. Not a whole lot. But he was out of warranty. So even dipsticks go bad. Plenty of people who have had the plastic handles break off in the dipstick tube as well. That's party why I bought the Billet tech aluminum dipstick handle.

 

[mikeru82]

Still no reason not to have a dipstick, Ford still has them on their twin turbos.

The easiest (and cleanest) oil change I've ever done was on my F-150 with the 2.7. A plastic quarter turn drain plug and a cartridge oil filter up on top.... super easy.

I'm pretty much in agreement. There are aftermarket dipsticks available for many Audi models, and I suspect the same to be true for other European brands as well. I mean, the dipstick tube is there. Not sure if that will be the case with the Hurricane engines though since I've never seen one in person.

The 2014 3.5 EcoBoost oil change is as much of a pain as on the Hemi, at least dealing with the oil filter being in an awkward spot. Drain plug aims to the side instead of straight back, but it seems the stream of oil still made as much of a mess as draining a Hemi.

 

[HSKR R/T]

We've survived almost 20 years with no transmission dipstick on the 1500s. And there was a ton of backlash when that went away. And guess what we don't even have fluid level sensors for the transmission

 

[WXman]

Well, let’s go to the owners manual and see if they were able to dream up an incredibly simple way to check that:
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And after all that, it's no where near as simple or accurate as pulling a dipstick.

How many sensors have failed on your current truck?

On a brand new truck? Few to none. Once the miles rack up? A lot.

Also, this is the most power per liter they've ever mass produced. It will be very interesting to see how it holds up when it's got a 12k lb. camper behind it on a 100 degree day climbing the mountains. If these engines can make 100k miles with no issues in the full size pickup truck lineup I will be impressed. But for the time being I am skeptical.

 

[silver billet]

And after all that, it's no where near as simple or accurate as pulling a dipstick.



On a brand new truck? Few to none. Once the miles rack up? A lot.

Also, this is the most power per liter they've ever mass produced. It will be very interesting to see how it holds up when it's got a 12k lb. camper behind it on a 100 degree day climbing the mountains. If these engines can make 100k miles with no issues in the full size pickup truck lineup I will be impressed. But for the time being I am skeptical.

The H/O tows less than the S/O. That should be a clue to us that the H/O is going to have issues of some sort, cooling perhaps.

 

[ChrisID]

And after all that, it's no where near as simple or accurate as pulling a dipstick.



On a brand new truck? Few to none. Once the miles rack up? A lot.

Also, this is the most power per liter they've ever mass produced. It will be very interesting to see how it holds up when it's got a 12k lb. camper behind it on a 100 degree day climbing the mountains. If these engines can make 100k miles with no issues in the full size pickup truck lineup I will be impressed. But for the time being I am skeptical.

I mostly agree with your assessment. I am from the rotating equipment world, and we refer to our equipment as low-energy and high-energy. There are very few low-energy pieces of equipment left, and if you want one, they are 4-6 times more expensive. Same thing has happened with our modern engines, but for different reasons.
IMO it's corporate-gov partners, and there is no question in my mind that our ever increasing emission standards are designed for one thing, to limit competition (under the ruse of being clean to the masses, our ICE engines have been clean since the 90's).
We will never see 300K+ mile engines anymore (unless all highway low stress).
Even our old hemi had a good amount of electro-mechanical devices. Now there are more for sure.
All cars/trucks will be big money to maintain past 100-150K IMO.
IF you want to try and go past 150K then I think the only options are the newer 2500 bigger gas engines from the big 3. Most Contractors I know that have fleets are moving away from the huge expense of the new Tier4 diesels (major competition limiting boondoggle) to these bigger gas engines to hopefully get some decent lifespans.

 

[CalvinC]

The H/O tows less than the S/O. That should be a clue to us that the H/O is going to have issues of some sort, cooling perhaps.

I believe this due more to the fact HO is only available on the fatter trims. That weight comes off the GCWR number (which I suspect most trims with the Hurricane will share) to limit weights the truck can CARRY & STOP (not pull).

For prolonged load as in towing, larger turbos flowing more air at lower boost (heat) would be advantageous for resiliency.

 

[ChrisID]

These new Hurricane engines are high boost. 22 max for SO, and 26psi for HO. These are relative high pressures, and why they have very stout components.
Will they go the distance? I don't know, but again doubt they are very high mileage engines, but I could be surprised.
My wife's CT4V Blackwing says 13-15psi, although I've never seen it go past 13 at full throttle. And that engine is a 3.6TT and is stupid fast/powerful 470hp.

In my modern engine experience, I'm a dirtbiker and when all the newer designs were coming out 10yrs ago +/-, we all said no way they're going to last.
They have, and 2-3 times what the factories say. example: ktm says change the piston at 100 hours, and we're getting 200-300hrs. granted we just off-road race them, not moto, so we are not on the rev-limiter all the time, but just FYI.