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All good points for sure. I would never claim that our 5.7 Hemi's are the best and nothing tops them haha. So I think even a slight redesign would go a long way in the Hemi engine. Updated and more refined. I've always wondered if they'll end up doing something to the 3.6 Pentastar like add turbo or supercharger tech to it and call it a Micro Hemi or something
I think the issue is you're trying to use physical engine size as a unit for how much power it makes. Which you can't do, obviously, because turbos and superchargers exist. Physical size or displacement is not a useful metric when comparing engine to engine where superchargers and turbos only exist on the one. The engines are designed to make their HP/torque completely differently.
Agreed.
My bet is definitely a turbo 3.6. The pentastar had a recent refresh where it's obvious they're targeting this in the future. The 5.7 hemi came out in 2003, its days are numbered and probably won't see a refreshed/redesigned again.All good points for sure. I would never claim that our 5.7 Hemi's are the best and nothing tops them haha. So I think even a slight redesign would go a long way in the Hemi engine. Updated and more refined. I've always wondered if they'll end up doing something to the 3.6 Pentastar like add turbo or supercharger tech to it and call it a Micro Hemi or something
True, the 3.3 is still available but they don't consider it a contender with any other half ton truck engine by any means so that's not even worth talking about lol. But as far as the 2.7 Eco vs the Hemi...Hemi squashes the 2.7 in ALMOST all areas, why else would we be on here while driving our Hemi's... especially those that have owned a 2.7 previously. If anyone wants to praise the 2.7 notoriously...go join a Ford pride forum. Lol. There's a reason why you don't see the 2.7 Eco tow up to the top of the mountain at the end of their commercials .
Makes sense. I don't think they'll ever get rid of the V8 but they may adopt a new V8 engine design. Similar to how Ford dumped the 5.4 Triton for the 5.0 Coyote V8. But if you're thinking about terms of repeatative engine use....look at GM'S 5.3 Vortec...thats been in use for a way longer time than the Hemi.
My point was that the top engine offered in the Ram 1500, the one that may actually get used as a truck, (not including the TRX or Raptor in Ford's case) struggles to keep up with one of the lower tier engines offered by Ford. I realize the F150 is a much lighter truck and the power delivery of the EB engines is very front loaded when compared to the Hemi. But I also feel that is shows where Ram should be focusing its improvement efforts. If Ram could develop an engine that could put down the power like the EB engines and get similar MPG to them which in my experience was substantially better than the pathetic 12 MPG I get with my Ram, I wouldn't look twice at another F150.
Then they would be copying Ford. And personally... I've already proven in another thread that I've been getting a solid 23-24 MPG in my Ram Hemi Etorque, so idk why there's such a drastic difference with the Hemi engines between their drivers in regards to MPG, but that's a whole different topic.
If I recall correctly, I read an article that said the pentastar was designed with the intention of applying forced induction eventually but when in development they determined that it was not feasible. I don't remember exactly why they stopped, I want to say it was either economics or diminished reliability though. I believe that was why they started development of the GTDI inline six.
Point taken...I know what you mean about the GM interior. If it wasn't for such a crappy interior I would've gotten that 2020 Trail Boss lol.Because a truck is more than the motor. It's the outside, inside, ride, conveniences, etc. that also considered. I knew when I saw that red Rebel on the dealer lot, I was going to get it regardless, never drove a new RAM yet at that point.
As for the 2.7L, praising a great motor doesn't mean you hate what you are driving now. The motor was a jewel, in the F150 is was a great package. It doesn't dilute my Rebel that I also feel that way. Nor that I'm driving a clearly slower truck to my previous F150. The Hemi does have higher towing capacity (9,000 vs 11,000) to the 2.7L and sounds amazing in comparison.
Noting these things is the opposite of being a fan boy, it's being an enthusiast instead. I don't get offended or take it personally when something else has something better (in certain ways). Admitting it is a good thing and hopefully will help build even better products in the future.
My wifes 2020 Silverado 5.3L isn't my type of truck, but it had some things I wished my RAM had, nothing on the inside however
That makes sense considering turbo gas engines wear faster than NA engines for sure. Hell...even Ford techs were saying they'd pick their 5.0 over any Ecoboost any day of the week lol.
Define 'great'.
The only time I can recall any kind of a peaky feeling was when I had the "Sport" mode turned on. It would accelerate pretty hard with the lightest touch of the throttle then. In normal driving it was pretty smooth in my experience as well. I had a crew cab FX4 with the 3.73 gears and it averaged just over 18-19 MPG overall over the 4 years I owned it. I think I drove that truck a lot harder than I drive my Ram too because that low end power was so much fun. The Hemi does sound a lot better although they both sound like crap on cold starts. The EB engines have clatter from noisy waste gates and the Hemi's have that lifter tick.
