Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[mikeru82]

Maybe so, but it aint helping the situation unless Ram is going to start putting higher quality batteries in these very expensive trucks

You have nothing to back that up except your opinion. It's okay to have an opinion, just as long as you aren't trying to pass it off as fact without verifying that that opinion is in fact accurate.

 

[Bsteiner36]

What are y'all doing to your batteries?? I suggest stop trying to power your home with them!

Dem Fancy new FERDS sayz you can power yer entire house on the 7.2KW outlets in the back of the truck.

 

[Darksteel165]

You have nothing to back that up except your opinion. It's okay to have an opinion, just as long as you aren't trying to pass it off as fact without verifying that that opinion is in fact accurate.

The fact is the batteries on the Ram 1500s seem to have a larger then expected failure rate.
Nothing more nothing less.

Putting extra stress on a 12V battery, draining it down further will cause it's lifespan to reduce, the same as fast charging a phone except worse (charging is more of a heat problem due to lithium ion not lead acid like car batteries but you should get the idea). These are facts.
Start and stop will put extra stress on the battery will will reduce it's life, even if unable to measure the exact amount, this is also a fact.

Ram removing eTorque and keeping start-stop would not seem to produce any positive effects for the battery at face value and if anything degrade it more, this is an assumption and i'm sure there is some fact to be found in there either direction.

 

[mikeru82]

The fact is the batteries on the Ram 1500s seem to have a larger then expected failure rate.
Nothing more nothing less.

Putting extra stress on a 12V battery, draining it down further will cause it's lifespan to reduce, the same as fast charging a phone except worse (charging is more of a heat problem due to lithium ion not lead acid like car batteries but you should get the idea). These are facts.
Start and stop will put extra stress on the battery will will reduce it's life, even if unable to measure the exact amount, this is also a fact.

Ram removing eTorque and keeping start-stop would not seem to produce any positive effects for the battery at face value and if anything degrade it more, this is an assumption and i'm sure there is some fact to be found in there either direction.

Sure, no one is disputing what can reduce the life of a battery. And I doubt you'll find many here that don't think the factory spec battery is junk. But you haven't shown any proof that the etorque system even puts more stress on the 12v battery. It uses the 48v battery for stop/start operation. It uses a dc to dc converter in the 48v battery pack to charge the 12v main battery. That certainly isn't harder on the 12v battery. In what way is the etorque system harder on the 12v battery, and why would the non etorque trucks have a seemingly similar failure rate?

 

[guile]

Where are you guys looking up the 2025 production numbers? I ordered mine 3/16 and haven’t seen any movement. Got a vin but that’s it.

 

[PetePA]

You have nothing to back that up except your opinion. It's okay to have an opinion, just as long as you aren't trying to pass it off as fact without verifying that that opinion is in fact accurate.

He said "it ain't helping the situation" when referring to auto start/stop affecting battery life. I'd consider this to be a fact. Auto Stop/Start will not help a battery last longer.

He also said "unless Ram is going to start putting higher quality batteries in these very expensive trucks". While higher quality can mean several things, I think the average person would consider it to include longer lasting. So again, it's not necessarily a fact but I'd say it's pretty close to being one.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[PetePA]

Where are you guys looking up the 2025 production numbers? I ordered mine 3/16 and haven’t seen any movement. Got a vin but that’s it.

Filtering on their website - that's about it. We're at the mercy of Ram's website being accurate. I have data I'll share next week!

 

[HSKR R/T]

He said "it ain't helping the situation" when referring to auto start/stop affecting battery life. I'd consider this to be a fact. Auto Stop/Start will not help a battery last longer.

He also said "unless Ram is going to start putting higher quality batteries in these very expensive trucks". While higher quality can mean several things, I think the average person would consider it to include longer lasting. So again, it's not necessarily a fact but I'd say it's pretty close to being one.

Just my 2 cents!

He's making it sounds like the AS/S feature is going to kill the batteries quickly which just isn't the case. I'd wager the effect on the batteries would be unmeasurable by the average person. And any claims of battery failure caused by it would be purely anecdotal. There are far more people who haven't had problems with batteries than those who have. You just don't usually hear people coming to a car forum celebrating no issues.

 

[Bsteiner36]

Where are you guys looking up the 2025 production numbers? I ordered mine 3/16 and haven’t seen any movement. Got a vin but that’s it.

If you got a VIN you're a head of most of us. What trim level of 2025 truck did you order?

I ordered a Limited and my order is only confirmed, no VIN yet.

 

[E.Hands]

He's making it sounds like the AS/S feature is going to kill the batteries quickly which just isn't the case. I'd wager the effect on the batteries would be unmeasurable by the average person. And any claims of battery failure caused by it would be purely anecdotal. There are far more people who haven't had problems with batteries than those who have. You just don't usually hear people coming to a car forum celebrating no issues.

Fact: Starting your engine pulls more amps from the battery than any other function in your trucks operation.
And I do not believe that he was saying that the eTorque system was putting more stress on the 12volt system, it's quite the contrary.

But since were spit-ballin ideas, how's bout this:
Any and every starter ever built has a finite number of times that it will start the engine. One day after so many uses it will fail, inevitably. Right?
Well how many more times will a vehicle with the AS/S feature call on the starter to do it's thing compared to one without?

 

[Idahoktm]

Fact: Starting your engine pulls more amps from the battery than any other function in your trucks operation.
And I do not believe that he was saying that the eTorque system was putting more stress on the 12volt system, it's quite the contrary.

But since were spit-ballin ideas, how's bout this:
Any and every starter ever built has a finite number of times that it will start the engine. One day after so many uses it will fail, inevitably. Right?
Well how many more time will a vehicle with the S/S feature call on the starter to do it's thing compared to one without?

Exactly! The extra stress on the starter is a big concern.

 

[mikeru82]

He said "it ain't helping the situation" when referring to auto start/stop affecting battery life. I'd consider this to be a fact. Auto Stop/Start will not help a battery last longer.

He also said "unless Ram is going to start putting higher quality batteries in these very expensive trucks". While higher quality can mean several things, I think the average person would consider it to include longer lasting. So again, it's not necessarily a fact but I'd say it's pretty close to being one.

Just my 2 cents!

His response was to my saying the etorque system isn't what's killing the batteries. Your post shows that you don't understand how the etorque system works or you aren't referring to what Ram has been using for its stop/start systems until now. Etorque doesn't use the main starter or main 12v battery. It uses the belt driven starter/generator (BSG) and the 48v etorque battery for restarts. He never gave facts for how he thinks the etorque system negatively affects the main 12v battery.

 

[PetePA]

Exactly! The extra stress on the starter is a big concern.

The extra stress that dealing with AS/S has on our patience is a big concern too

 

[PetePA]

Your post shows that you don't understand how the etorque system works or you aren't referring to what Ram has been using for its stop/start systems until now.

No, my post was a literal interpretation of what Darksteel stated. That's it.

Edit: I stand corrected! I did misread his original post! I thought he was referring to auto stop/start and didn't catch that he was referring to etorque. My bad.

 

[rick619]

Saw these on Facebook, someone test drove one of the new '25's. Group name is '5th Gen Ram 1500’s (2019+)'

Good that they didn't change the looks much. The new wheels look good. I might have to find some take offs.

 

[E.Hands]

Removed my post because it had nothing to do with:

Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?​

And as much as I love my paid off truck... and feel like everything is moving towards a over-engineered, complexity driven obsolescence,
a 2026 or 2027 might be a real nice way to spend six figures!

 

[guile]

If you got a VIN you're a head of most of us. What trim level of 2025 truck did you order?

I ordered a Limited and my order is only confirmed, no VIN yet.

I got a Big Horn with a few options (hurricane, night edition, off road group )

 

[HSKR R/T]

Fact: Starting your engine pulls more amps from the battery than any other function in your trucks operation.
And I do not believe that he was saying that the eTorque system was putting more stress on the 12volt system, it's quite the contrary.

But since were spit-ballin ideas, how's bout this:
Any and every starter ever built has a finite number of times that it will start the engine. One day after so many uses it will fail, inevitably. Right?
Well how many more time will a vehicle with the S/S feature call on the starter to do it's thing compared to one without?

The starters used in vehicles with s/s are heavy duty designed for the extra work, and the life cycle is in the hundreds of thousands of start cycles.

Here's an example. Granted this is for Toyota, but the same principle applies. Toyota has a cycle counter built in that will pop a check engine light for starter replacement once it hits that threshold.
To contextualize that number, 384,000 restarts equates to more-than 21 starts every single day for 50 years. Now, this doesn’t necessarily mean that the starter motors will last that many cycles, but that’s the built-in point when Toyota requires your starter to be replaced.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Exactly! The extra stress on the starter is a big concern.

Only a concern if you are going to keep your truck for decades. Chances are the starter will outlive the engine.

 

[Darksteel165]

But you haven't shown any proof that the etorque system even puts more stress on the 12v battery. It uses the 48v battery for stop/start operation. It uses a dc to dc converter in the 48v battery pack to charge the 12v main battery. That certainly isn't harder on the 12v battery.

I think I either said something in a backwards way or you just misunderstand what I am saying.
The auto start\stop feature is ONLY on trucks WITH eTorque.
eTorque itself is BETTER then WITHOUT eTorque for trucks that preform the auto start\stop becuase it spreads the stress across other systems vs the starter.
Thus that is why I expect a higher failure rate on the components that will not be dealing with the A/SS on the 2025s since eTorque is no more.

Fact: Starting your engine pulls more amps from the battery than any other function in your trucks operation.
And I do not believe that he was saying that the eTorque system was putting more stress on the 12volt system, it's quite the contrary.

But since were spit-ballin ideas, how's bout this:
Any and every starter ever built has a finite number of times that it will start the engine. One day after so many uses it will fail, inevitably. Right?
Well how many more time will a vehicle with the S/S feature call on the starter to do it's thing compared to one without?

Yes

Exactly! The extra stress on the starter is a big concern.

Stress that was not on the starter on the 2019-2024 due to eTorque.

His response was to my saying the etorque system isn't what's killing the batteries. Your post shows that you don't understand how the etorque system works or you aren't referring to what Ram has been using for its stop/start systems until now. Etorque doesn't use the main starter or main 12v battery. It uses the belt driven starter/generator (BSG) and the 48v etorque battery for restarts. He never gave facts for how he thinks the etorque system negatively affects the main 12v battery.

I don't and never have thought the eTorque, as silly a system as it would ever causes problems with the 12V battery, in fact the opposite, it would\should help prolong the other parts, and unlike an alternative comes with an 80k mile warranty.

No, my post was a literal interpretation of what Darksteel stated. That's it.

Edit: I stand corrected! I did misread his original post! I thought he was referring to auto stop/start and didn't catch that he was referring to etorque. My bad.

eTorque goes hand and hand with A/SS. You don't get A/SS on a non-eTorque Ram 1500, both systems are 100% intertwined.