Really considering trade in for 2022

[Royalist_Ram]

TMI, TMI... Not going there, just...not...

It’s a joke, come on. I have plenty of thongs to pick from. Relax

 

[Royalist_Ram]

That’s a tall ceiling!

Hey thanks bud, yeah I never get the whole giant truck tiny garage thing. Just park outside at that point.

 

[PaulieWalnutz]

After seeing some of the Katzkin leather that some users have gotten I wouldn’t think twice of loading up a bighorn and making that the first mod. (If you can option the truck the way you want it )

 

[mikeru82]

How bad do you want the night package? Me thinks the "blackout" fad will fade away. It's been what 3-4 years or so since peeps have been debadging/blacking out all around. Maybe drop that, get your seats and be happy.

Just to be clear, the Night Edition and the Blackout Package are two different things. The Blackout Package was only available on a black truck. The Night Edition is available on pretty much all colors, and is basically a chrome delete package. I've been de-chroming my trucks for at least the last 10 years. I don't see that going away anytime soon, at least for me. I like chrome on classic cars and trucks, but it doesn't belong on modern vehicles IMHO.

 

[deanno33]

After seeing some of the Katzkin leather that some users have gotten I wouldn’t think twice of loading up a bighorn and making that the first mod. (If you can option the truck the way you want it )

Very true. I was just looking at that. Look at what you get in the back country package with bighorn for 2,695. This vs basically just black badges and tube steps on the Laramie Night package for 3,495. Then add Katzkins.

 

[monkeypunch]

OP here. So no decision made yet but here's where things are right now. Still at 52,000 for my 2020 Laramie. A new 2022 Laramie order would have MSRP of 63,395 with invoice of 58,482. They would sell to me for 57,700 (difference of 5,700) . Now the 2022 has more on it than my 2020 like 33 gallon tank and Off Road Package. Otherwise the same (minus Blind Spot obviously which does suck).

I think my biggest hang up right now is the new seat charge. Before 2022 the Leather Buckets were part of the night package (maybe even the level B group). So when you added Night to a build, the $1,295 Leather trimmed bucket charge went to $0....because you were now paying for it in the Night package which was $3,495 in 2021. Now, you add the Night package in 2022 (same price of $3,495) and they continue to charge you $1,295 for the Leather trimmed seats! Kinda a joke.

The truck I just built for 2022 has MSRP of 63,395. In 2021 the MSRP was 61,130. The increase of 2,265 seems steep...especially considering 1,295 is a crazy seat charge that should still be included in the night package. If you brake down the night package now...for what we're paying 3,495 ....hmmm. Black badges and side steps..

Guess I will decide tonight.

$57k pre TTL is basically Limited money. The build in my signature but with the 5.7L etorque was going to be $59770.

 

[monkeypunch]

Just leased a 2022 Land Rover Defender 90 S yesterday. Tried to get one before I ordered my Ram but didn’t work out in the end. Anywho, absolutely love it. Selling my ‘21 Ram on Wednesday. Making a profit on it so I’m happy.

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I drove a 1999 Discovery for a while. It was badass. That thing would be on rails in the snow. It was hard to get it to slide even in 6+ inches.

 

[Royalist_Ram]

I drove a 1999 Discovery for a while. It was badass. That thing would be on rails in the snow. It was hard to get it to slide even in 6+ inches.

Yeah I live in the Snow Belt so I'm looking forward to it. Got the optional Off-Road Tires too.

 

[Dadeoo]

I’m really not worried about it. You can say that about any car. I love this thing so much, whether it breaks or not. Also, don’t really have neighbors. Not mention, there are so many Range Rovers around here anyways.

Oh well. At least it's not this Alfa Romero https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23145269/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-reliability-update/

 

[Royalist_Ram]

Oh well. At least it's not this Alfa Romero https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23145269/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-reliability-update/

Yeah people can slander JLR all they want, but in the end any car can be unreliable for you. One person may have a lemon of a tundra and 0 problems on a Maserati. I've tried plenty brands. I really love this Defender.

 

[brian42]

$57k pre TTL is basically Limited money.

My Bighorn MSRP was a smidge over $54K...yes, B-i-g-h-o-r-n.

 

[mikeru82]

$57k pre TTL is basically Limited money. The build in my signature but with the 5.7L etorque was going to be $59770.

Maybe at one time, but a base Limited with no options has an MSRP of over $60k. Good luck finding one that stripped down. A well-optioned Big Horn can easily reach $57k and more.

 

[Willwork4truck]

Maybe at one time, but a base Limited with no options has an MSRP of over $60k. Good luck finding one that stripped down. A well-optioned Big Horn can easily reach $57k and more.

Heres a couple at the dealer I bought from in 2019. I didn't care about 2x or 4x, just price. Also I didn't look at how they are discounting, if you have to bring in a 3 legged albino goat to get the $ off or what.

• 
  2021 Ram1500 Limited 12in Truck Crew Cab
  • 5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT eTorque Engine Engine
  • Ivory White Tri-Coat Pearlcoat Exterior
  • Black Leather Interior
  • Stock #: 210158
  • RWD
  • MSRP $58,940 You Save-$2,299 Price $56,641

  • See 2 Available Specials​

  
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  2021 Ram1500 Limited 12in Truck Crew Cab
  • 5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT Engine Engine
  • Billet Silver Exterior
  • Black Leather Seats Interior
  • Stock #: 212063
  • 4WD
  MSRP $63,635 You Save-$2,299 Price $61,336
  

  See 2 Available Specials​

  
  
  Window Sticker

 

[monkeypunch]

My Bighorn MSRP was a smidge over $54K...yes, B-i-g-h-o-r-n.

Maybe at one time, but a base Limited with no options has an MSRP of over $60k. Good luck finding one that stripped down. A well-optioned Big Horn can easily reach $57k and more.

I was talking about sale price. The original post said a Laramie would run him $57k sale price, not MSRP. A Limited can be had for similar money.

 

[Willwork4truck]

In todays business news: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifesty...d-ram-in-q2-and-the-worst-may-not-be-over-yet

The Ford F-Series was outsold by Ram and Chevy in Q2 and the worst may not be over yet​

Longtime sales leader strangled by supply issues​

"The Ford F-Series fell from the top of the sales charts in the second quarter of 2021 for the first time in years.

The full-size truck line was outsold by both Ram and Chevrolet to finish in third place.

The F-Series has ended the last 39 years as the best-selling vehicle in the U.S. The last time the F-Series suffered such a blow was when the confluence of a poor economy and high gas prices saw several car models outperform it May 2008.

The ongoing semiconductor shortage was largely to blame. Production of all F-Series models dropped from a monthly high for the year so far of 94,305 in March to 45,008 in June as inventories dwindled from 123,000 to 67,400. Sales through the first half of the year have declined 1.5%..."

It's not that peeps don't like F150's, they do. It's just that Ferd got whamoed by the chip shortage.
GM tried another approach: (from the same article) "...General Motors has taken a different approach to the shortage by removing two fuel-saving systems from certain pickups and SUVs for the rest of the 2021 model year to conserve chips. It also made drastic reductions to car and small SUV output that led to it being outperformed across its brands by Toyota for the quarter."

The article did not say what RAM did (other than what we know, produce a really nice truck).

 

[mikeru82]

I was talking about sale price. The original post said a Laramie would run him $57k sale price, not MSRP. A Limited can be had for similar money.

Hahaha...sale price...that's a good one. You might get a stripped down Limited (if you can find one) for that, but no way you're even close to that price if it's loaded. Not in my area anyway.

 

[deanno33]

A well-optioned Big Horn can easily reach $57k and more.

Exactly. I was messing around as I'm still working with a dealer to trade. Built this BH on paper. There is so much cross over between trim levels. I'd take this BH over either one of the Limited posted above. In fact I may order it. Dealer is still willing to give me 52k for my 2020 and the price he gave me before rebates on this 2022 BH is 54,800. I believe they can guarantee $1750 in rebates right now, which could get better by the time the truck arrives in approx 10 weeks. So, at worst the BH would be 53,050 and I'd get 52,000 in trade. It's got alot of things my Laramie doesn't although the Laramie has a few more creature comfort items.

BTW, the MSRP is actually 595 higher than shown below because the dealer order system adds in the seat charges in 2022, even though the Night package says they are included. It seems 2022 prices are noticeably higher....oh well.

 

[wallyuwl]

Maybe at one time, but a base Limited with no options has an MSRP of over $60k. Good luck finding one that stripped down. A well-optioned Big Horn can easily reach $57k and more.

The Limited in my sig is MSRP $62985 including destination. Only options are 4x4, BUG, and engine heater.

I am getting it for invoice - holdback - penfed - $500 cash back and 0% for 72, and $4k more on my trade than what I paid.

 

[jth877]

I wonder which package they come with. BH I sat in was pure plastic

Yes, I have level 1 with padded and stitched arm rests

 

[mikeru82]

The Limited in my sig is MSRP $62985 including destination. Only options are 4x4, BUG, and engine heater.

I am getting it for invoice - holdback - penfed - $500 cash back and 0% for 72, and $4k more on my trade than what I paid.

Congrats on your new truck order. You ordered at a good time, one day before I bought my 2021 Limited.