Price negotiated from MSRP

[Willwork4truck]

Great that you forced a price match. That’s what competition is about.
800 miles was a lot to drive, 1200 would have been very difficult with wifey along.
I barely got her to agree to go 800.

Even if a dealer could get to within $1K of the deal, having to make the trip, all the food and gas, a hotel night, plus any potential damage from the road would be worth avoiding.

Between Dennis Dillon, Mark RAM, Koonz ( maybe) and probably one or two others nationwide, there’s a regional dealer who does volume pricing near enough to you that a deal could be done. Cheap one-way air fares are also a possibility though that means no trade.

Let's hope that 2025 will bring either higher rebates/discounts or some sort of MSRP markdowns. Will be difficult for a buyer from the lot in say mid -January who could have waited a month longer for a price drop.

Would ordering protect you if the msrp was adjusted lower between the time of the order and the delivery?

 

[Rambo 2024]

If you want to pigeon hole yourself to your local dealers go right ahead. Just please don't bring that shyt here. This is a forum for knowledge. And finding the best deal is a part of it. If it wasn't for volume dealers like MD and a few others we'd be left to BS local dealers. There's a reason why MD gets the awesome reputation they do.

When the ram charger comes out that'll be my next vehicle I buy from MD. And I'm located in Illinois.

Hmm that’s nice. You’re right, this is a forum for knowledge, exchange of ideas and decorum which you have none of the later.

As such, I also didn’t join this board to be spammed by Auto Dealers crowing and trying to sell me. This is not the place for that in my opinion.

 

[Rambo 2024]

I’m quite sure they don’t care. Sales and Service are completely different profit centers.

Correct, different profit centers but an owner / corporation is still responsible for the overall profit of the store. Also, service departments are a substantial part of repeat business for new car sales. Without sales of new vehicles the dealer wouldn’t exist. Period! Profit is the sum total of all departments.

And someone asked “what’s the downside of buying out of state”. Shipping for one. “You the buyer” are responsible for arranging it. And as such I’d and when things get damaged “you” are the one that’s dealing with it. Yeah yeah, they have insurance, etc but do you want to deal with that on a new vehicle at $50-100k? Transportation damage is more common than you know.

Second. Who would buy anything of this value without touching it first? Not me.

And to another persons point. Yes, many dealers will prioritize service appointment availability on repeat buyers and or service customers. This is with most business so I don’t even understand why this is discussed because it’s so obvious.

In my world I’d someone were to show me a quote from a dealer hours or several states away I’d say “gonna be a nice drive there”. Dealers need to make money, so they are going to lose money on a deal, get no finance reserve, no aftermarket sales, no repeat or service business what’s the upside for them. None!

Most dealers in the US are not Mark Dodge.

Happy buying.

 

[Willwork4truck]

A lot of us seem to be forgetting that it's a person's choice where they buy from and everyone has different ideas.

Some will always buy local cause they want to support local businesses as opposed to huge dealer groups. I can see both sides.

For myself, I don't have the funds to give my local dealer 10,000 more than what I can pay for it somewhere else. If I did, or I could get the local dealer closer, I'd buy from them.

People just need to chill and let others do what they feel is in their best interest.

If I've come across as recommending Mark, then that's just my opinion, not anyone else.

 

[Rambo 2024]

Yeah I just still don't get why you're still accusing me of posting and advertising misleading ads. I not only laid it out for you in the first response, then broke it down further, and then showed you that's what we do on a semi-monthly basis posting all the different regions. You prefer to shop on the lot, I'm sharing that orders are good too, that's fine to disagree and YMMV. But please stop accusing me of misleading when I've laid it out from the get-go, and backed it up

Your original post had your dealer discount and rebates. You didn’t drill down on those rebates until I asked you to do so. So let’s not be so dramatic. I wasn’t attacking you personally. The car business did this to themselves which is why people are so mistrusting of them.

Kind of funny so many here coming your stores defense here. The same people that have slammed car dealers every step of the way.

I haven’t been to your website nor do I care too but would venture a guess that your store like others do not disclose how and to whom qualify for the rebates unless you try to find them in the fine print.

And what about the people that just walk into your store store that haven’t scoured the internet for a deal, elderly, etc. Do your as they say “drop your drawers” and give them the “deep deal” you are touting here? No, you wouldn’t ! If they were ready to pay MSRP you’d be more than happy to take their money and then brag about how you as they say “laid them away”.

So until you and others have a business model like Tesla where very one pays the same price don’t come here and act all pious.

Merry Christmas brother.

 

[millerbjm]

Your original post had your dealer discount and rebates. You didn’t drill down on those rebates until I asked you to do so. So let’s not be so dramatic. I wasn’t attacking you personally. The car business did this to themselves which is why people are so mistrusting of them.

Kind of funny so many here coming your stores defense here. The same people that have slammed car dealers every step of the way.

I haven’t been to your website nor do I care too but would venture a guess that your store like others do not disclose how and to whom qualify for the rebates unless you try to find them in the fine print.

And what about the people that just walk into your store store that haven’t scoured the internet for a deal, elderly, etc. Do your as they say “drop your drawers” and give them the “deep deal” you are touting here? No, you wouldn’t ! If they were ready to pay MSRP you’d be more than happy to take their money and then brag about how you as they say “laid them away”.

So until you and others have a business model like Tesla where very one pays the same price don’t come here and act all pious.

Merry Christmas brother.

Many of us have been forum members for a long time and have long term experience with Anthony and Mark Dodge. Anthony is consistently honest and transparent and there are likely hundreds of forum members and others who have never had an easier more clear and open purchase. It is understandable that you're upset about your past dealer experiences but those are your experiences to share and allow others to share theirs. I personally dislike the Tesla, Subaru etc business model of everyone pays MSRP because for me it means everyone gets to pay more - with Ram and most domestic manufacturers I can invest my time and effort to secure a better deal and the folks who want to pay MSRP can pay that without having to think about it. While I can't vouch for the customer experience of someone who walks into the showroom at Mark Dodge and can from personal experience tell you anyone who sends them an email without mentioning this forum etc. gets a quick price quote including discounts and incentives based on the info you provide and they never try to hide or mislead.

 

[Rambo 2024]

Yeah I just still don't get why you're still accusing me of posting and advertising misleading ads. I not only laid it out for you in the first response, then broke it down further, and then showed you that's what we do on a semi-monthly basis posting all the different regions. You prefer to shop on the lot, I'm sharing that orders are good too, that's fine to disagree and YMMV. But please stop accusing me of misleading when I've laid it out from the get-go, and backed it up

One last comment on ordering a new truck from your store. Someone told me that you require a Non -Refundable $1000 deposit to order a vehicle. don’t know about you, but a lot of things can change in 60-120 days waiting for my truck and wouldn’t be willing to lose a $1000 “if” I had to bail on the deal. If you’re the country’s number 1 dealer you should have no problem selling that order. So why the $1000?

 

[Rambo 2024]

Many of us have been forum members for a long time and have long term experience with Anthony and Mark Dodge. Anthony is consistently honest and transparent and there are likely hundreds of forum members and others who have never had an easier more clear and open purchase. It is understandable that you're upset about your past dealer experiences but those are your experiences to share and allow others to share theirs. I personally dislike the Tesla, Subaru etc business model of everyone pays MSRP because for me it means everyone gets to pay more - with Ram and most domestic manufacturers I can invest my time and effort to secure a better deal and the folks who want to pay MSRP can pay that without having to think about it. While I can't vouch for the customer experience of someone who walks into the showroom at Mark Dodge and can from personal experience tell you anyone who sends them an email without mentioning this forum etc. gets a quick price quote including discounts and incentives based on the info you provide and they never try to hide or mislead.

Understood, makes sense. The number one thing people hate most about the car business is the negotiation process. This is why Tesla, Carmax et al are such a popular business model.

People always wondering, “ did I get the best deal” ? When everyone pays the same that goes out the window. People that like to negotiate are “always” wondering if they got the best deal, myself including.

Happy buying

 

[jimk hunt]

One last comment on ordering a new truck from your store. Someone told me that you require a Non -Refundable $1000 deposit to order a vehicle. don’t know about you, but a lot of things can change in 60-120 days waiting for my truck and wouldn’t be willing to lose a $1000 “if” I had to bail on the deal. If you’re the country’s number 1 dealer you should have no problem selling that order. So why the $1000?

I ordered my truck from Koons in DC. and paid the same non refundable deposit. I think it's entirely fair for a dealer to require a deposit. Weeds out the non serious buyers and protects the dealer from having a rash of cancellations if the economy nose dives. I will ask Mark and Koons for a quote on my next Ram and fully expect to put a deposit down. I would wager that your local dealer would also require a deposit for a factory order. I'll gladly 'risk' the $1000 to save $8-10,000.

 

[Willwork4truck]

Right now I'm wandering around the sales lot of my CJRD dealer while I'm getting some warranty work done. Every single new vehicle on their lot, be it a compass, a wrangler, a Hornet, Durango, or a Wagoneer has a $1,995 Additional markup over MSRP.

This is a perfect example of why this dealer is In trouble, people are pretty naive to pay these prices when there's discount dealers around.

 

[Ashkan]

One last comment on ordering a new truck from your store. Someone told me that you require a Non -Refundable $1000 deposit to order a vehicle. don’t know about you, but a lot of things can change in 60-120 days waiting for my truck and wouldn’t be willing to lose a $1000 “if” I had to bail on the deal. If you’re the country’s number 1 dealer you should have no problem selling that order. So why the $1000?

I ordered mine from Koons and deposited $1000. I'm not sure if you order any cars or trucks before, but whatever you order from any manufacture you pay for deposit or if you ordered enough from same dealer then sometimes dealer waive that for you (I ordered bunch of BMWs from same dealer in past couple of year and paid at first time and never paid again). Simple?

 

[Runagun]

Hmm that’s nice. You’re right, this is a forum for knowledge, exchange of ideas and decorum which you have none of the later.

As such, I also didn’t join this board to be spammed by Auto Dealers crowing and trying to sell me. This is not the place for that in my opinion.

What"s your purpose here? Because everything you responded with Imo is gibberish. Do you want to buy a truck? Or are you just trolling? I think you're a local dealer that has animosity toward people that actually sell Vehicles. They're dealers that make money on selling ONE car. And then there's dealers that make money on selling cars. Be the later to help your customers. Because most local dealers just want it their way.

 

[AnthonyRI]

One last comment on ordering a new truck from your store. Someone told me that you require a Non -Refundable $1000 deposit to order a vehicle. don’t know about you, but a lot of things can change in 60-120 days waiting for my truck and wouldn’t be willing to lose a $1000 “if” I had to bail on the deal. If you’re the country’s number 1 dealer you should have no problem selling that order. So why the $1000?

We run a very tight inventory and efficient business and that is partly HOW we are able to achieve such discounts to pass on to our customers. We pay the floorplan interest of dealerships that do maybe even half our volume.

If we had no deposit, or a refundable one, we would likely have 3x as many orders, but only maybe 30% more takers. Then we'd have a much higher lot inventory than what we need for instock deals in our local market. Additionally, Stellantis holds us accountable for having a certain % of matched orders to sold vehicles, same customer - we have an amicable relationship and are not going to get on the naughty list.

Lastly, if you saw how many people ordered Tuscadero Pink Gladiators, since we serve nationally, vs how many customers in Lake Charles would buy them - that's a big deviation to consider!

Doing a factory order isn't for everyone, no one's forcing you - again this whole thread is just examples of HOW to get the best deal below MSRP. If the perceived risk or delayed gratification or shipping costs don't work in your particular use-case, no one will stop you from spending $ on the lot.

 

[Jgbstetson]

Your original post had your dealer discount and rebates. You didn’t drill down on those rebates until I asked you to do so. So let’s not be so dramatic. I wasn’t attacking you personally. The car business did this to themselves which is why people are so mistrusting of them.

Kind of funny so many here coming your stores defense here. The same people that have slammed car dealers every step of the way.

I haven’t been to your website nor do I care too but would venture a guess that your store like others do not disclose how and to whom qualify for the rebates unless you try to find them in the fine print.

And what about the people that just walk into your store store that haven’t scoured the internet for a deal, elderly, etc. Do your as they say “drop your drawers” and give them the “deep deal” you are touting here? No, you wouldn’t ! If they were ready to pay MSRP you’d be more than happy to take their money and then brag about how you as they say “laid them away”.

So until you and others have a business model like Tesla where very one pays the same price don’t come here and act all pious.

Merry Christmas brother.

You just don't know what you're talking about. I have ordered from MD before. I've also stopped in with very sorry notice and bought from stock on my way back from Houston to Tampa. The discount is not as good, but it was as advertised on their site. I don't know what your deal is but maybe cool it and stop trying to find fault where there is none.

 

[Jgbstetson]

One last comment on ordering a new truck from your store. Someone told me that you require a Non -Refundable $1000 deposit to order a vehicle. don’t know about you, but a lot of things can change in 60-120 days waiting for my truck and wouldn’t be willing to lose a $1000 “if” I had to bail on the deal. If you’re the country’s number 1 dealer you should have no problem selling that order. So why the $1000?

To disincentives random people from ordering vehicles with little intention of buying. Even the top dealer has limitations to working capital.

 

[AnthonyRI]

Your original post had your dealer discount and rebates. You didn’t drill down on those rebates until I asked you to do so. So let’s not be so dramatic. I wasn’t attacking you personally. The car business did this to themselves which is why people are so mistrusting of them.

Kind of funny so many here coming your stores defense here. The same people that have slammed car dealers every step of the way.

I haven’t been to your website nor do I care too but would venture a guess that your store like others do not disclose how and to whom qualify for the rebates unless you try to find them in the fine print.

And what about the people that just walk into your store store that haven’t scoured the internet for a deal, elderly, etc. Do your as they say “drop your drawers” and give them the “deep deal” you are touting here? No, you wouldn’t ! If they were ready to pay MSRP you’d be more than happy to take their money and then brag about how you as they say “laid them away”.

So until you and others have a business model like Tesla where very one pays the same price don’t come here and act all pious.

Merry Christmas brother.

You accused me of playing gotcha games, when I wasn't. You've tripled down on it.
The first post that you are seeing said $7K in rebates WITH the caveat that it was regional. That's not a sneak, I literally said it. Then I showed you months of posts where we listed out FIRST what the regional differences were.

The only vehicle I've ever sold for MSRP was all of our Demon 170s.
Our discounts on instock units are usually a little less aggressive than the factory orders, that's the whole point.

If you want me to be your voodoo doll for every car dealer who done ya wrong, you've got the wrong guy and the wrong dealership. I know it seemed like a great idea a few days ago. Not everyone is out to get you. If you want to get a price on your next truck, you can call me at 337-429-2021.

 

[Rambo 2024]

I ordered mine from Koons and deposited $1000. I'm not sure if you order any cars or trucks before, but whatever you order from any manufacture you pay for deposit or if you ordered enough from same dealer then sometimes dealer waive that for you (I ordered bunch of BMWs from same dealer in past couple of year and paid at first time and never paid again). Simple?

Yes putting a deposit makes sense. My point is that Mark Ram has a NON-REFUNDABLE deposit. That is what I wrote.

 

[millerbjm]

You accused me of playing gotcha games, when I wasn't. You've tripled down on it.
The first post that you are seeing said $7K in rebates WITH the caveat that it was regional. That's not a sneak, I literally said it. Then I showed you months of posts where we listed out FIRST what the regional differences were.

The only vehicle I've ever sold for MSRP was all of our Demon 170s.
Our discounts on instock units are usually a little less aggressive than the factory orders, that's the whole point.

If you want me to be your voodoo doll for every car dealer who done ya wrong, you've got the wrong guy and the wrong dealership. I know it seemed like a great idea a few days ago. Not everyone is out to get you. If you want to get a price on your next truck, you can call me at 337-429-2021.

Anthony - do all 2025 rams have 2 outlets in the bed? Assume you have to add an option for the 2kwh power and sounds like that is still not avail to order? Thanks!

 

[Rambo 2024]

What"s your purpose here? Because everything you responded with Imo is gibberish. Do you want to buy a truck? Or are you just trolling? I think you're a local dealer that has animosity toward people that actually sell Vehicles. They're dealers that make money on selling ONE car. And then there's dealers that make money on selling cars. Be the later to help your customers. Because most local dealers just want it their way.

Listen bro, do you always speak to people like this? You seem to like offending people from the safety of your computer.

I DID buy local and got $19k off MSRP on a ‘24 Laramie. Now run along and save your rudeness for your neighbor’s which probably love you.

 

[AnthonyRI]

Anthony - do all 2025 rams have 2 outlets in the bed? Assume you have to add an option for the 2kwh power and sounds like that is still not avail to order? Thanks!

In most cases the XBE bed outlet is in the bed utility group BUT if you have ramboxes it shows up inside there instead. 2kw inverter still unavail, forecasted for February opening but ... we've heard that before.