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[devildodge]

OK, that makes more sense - I *thought* "Laramie Limited" was an older trim level.

Does anyone have the current document? I know with Ford, there was a Fleet Order Guide, which listed the base weights of cab/bed/engine/powertrain and the weight for each option. I love geeking out about this kind of thing, and planning my next truck at the same time LOL.

-John

We have the fleet guides listed in many different threads...this one somewhere I am sure.

And that is why this thread started. The fleet guide is for a configuration. Like quad cab 6'4 bed 4x4 with a Hemi.

Each specific truck is going to be totally different and why @Zeronet posted the weights on this thread after much research from info given by our members.
And also why the online configurator is wrong also.

 

[devildodge]

Ram releases 2019 Ram 1500 payload and towing charts

Ram has released the payload and towing charts for the 2019 Ram 1500 V6 eTorque, 5.7 Hemi and 5.7 Hemi with eTorque. All launch cab configurations and box lengths are listed, Quad Cab 6'4 box and Crew Cab with 5'7 and 6'4 box lengths. This also serves as our first official confirmation on box...

5thgenrams.com

@DraKhen99 read here

 

[devildodge]

Okay, so I weighed my truck with a load of wood

GVWR is 10000. Front GAWR is 5500 rear is 6000. Payload sticker reads 2998. Giving a base weight of 7002.

Since this whole payload and towing deal is so full of opinions, I figured I would share the numbers.

Used the CAT scale and the CAT app. Awesome tools.


So truck weighed 9860 which gives 140 lbs left til GVWR is hit.

Newest theory is to not exceed GAWR...so at 6000 I was 800lbs under at 5200. So there isn't too much extra capacity as some have been claiming. And the front axle was at 4660 which leaves 840lbs.

So, with GAWR adding up to 11500 I should have 1640 total pounds I can add, but only 800 in the bed and I would think adding extra interior cargo would also bump into the rear and front GAWR.

Truck still had a bit of rake...so I feel certain the other 800lbs would have taken it away and then some.

With this i feel the 10000 GVWR can be exceeded...but it is a legit number and something else is the limiter.

The truck loved hauling the load though, got that HEMI right were it wanted to be.

 

[Johnvan]

I think the theory of watching axle weights over GVWR is more specific to towing while using a WDH since you have the ability to transfer load from the rear to the front.
Your 10,000lb limiting GVWR might have more to do with licensing. It looks like the vehicle is actually good for more like 10,600 or so just throwing stuff in the bed alone.
I wonder if when RAM came up with the GVWR of the 1500 they loaded the bed until they hit the RAWR and the number ended up being 7,100. With the 2500 it was maybe 10,600 before they hit it but they were limited to 10,000 if they didn't want to trigger additional licensing and registration costs for consumers.

 

[Johnvan]

Scroll down to "when logbooks are required" It seems that the 10,000 lb number is quite desirable for a commercial operation. The extra bit of payload would trigger logbook and labeling issues.

Re-rating Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings (GVWR): Why and How it's Done

Sometimes, it is not in a fleet’s best interests to have a vehicle at a given GVWR. Changing the GVWR to a special value can be done, but the process is complicated.

www.worktruckonline.com

 

[Johnvan]

And some more good info on the 10,000lb number....

Ask TFLtruck: Why Don’t the Truck Axle Weight Ratings Add Up to Total Gross Vehicle Rating GVWR?

We recently received this question from Anthony that has to do with truck axle ratings on 3/4-ton and 1-ton heavy duty trucks. It's important to understand all

www.tfltruck.com

 

[silver billet]

I read up to page 5 before the headache set in. My stickers say:

Max Payload = 1751 pounds
GVWR = 7100 pounds

Can some one help me figure out max trailer weight I can pull? I saw some calculations refering to GCVWR but I can't find that number on my stickers. This is all a little bit outside of my wheelhouse!

 

[Johnvan]

I'll throw out my amateur opinion. I think the 3.21 axle limits you to a GCVWR of 14,000 lbs.
You have plenty of available payload for tongue weight so that won't limit you much.
Probably looking at a max, ready to tow trailer in the 7,000 lb range.
Average weight that people load into the trailer, assuming you're not getting a toy hauler with ATV's or something unusual, is around 1,000 lbs.
Take the empty weight of the trailer and add 1,000 if you plan to pack normally. That would have you looking at dry weights in the 5-6,000 lb range as your max. Plenty of great floor plans in that weight range.

 

[Zeronet]

Here’s the sticker for my Longhorn. Picked it up Saturday. Today I took a trip to the scales after filling the tank. The sticker is accurate considering the CAT scale measures in 20 pound increments.

 

[devildodge]

I read up to page 5 before the headache set in. My stickers say:

Max Payload = 1751 pounds
GVWR = 7100 pounds

Can some one help me figure out max trailer weight I can pull? I saw some calculations refering to GCVWR but I can't find that number on my stickers. This is all a little bit outside of my wheelhouse!

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In order to get your GCWR we need to know your rear gear and engine.

Your max tow will depend on your cargo and your tongue weight.

17000 for hemi with 3.92 and 13900 for hemi with 3.21(assuming you have the hemi)

So with 1775 payload that means your base weight is 5325.

So 5325 add in your cargo. Subtract this from 17000 or 13900. This gives you trailer max. Then you have to take that number and get a tongue weight. That comes off the trailer max and you are close to the number that you can tow.

 

[silver billet]

In order to get your GCWR we need to know your rear gear and engine.

Your max tow will depend on your cargo and your tongue weight.

17000 for hemi with 3.92 and 13900 for hemi with 3.21(assuming you have the hemi)

So with 1775 payload that means your base weight is 5325.

So 5325 add in your cargo. Subtract this from 17000 or 13900. This gives you trailer max. Then you have to take that number and get a tongue weight. That comes off the trailer max and you are close to the number that you can tow.

Correct, I have the hemi with 3.21. So with just me in the truck, I get this:
13900 - 5325 = 8575
8575 * 10% tongue weight = 857
8575 - 857 = 7718.

Max trailer weight, no occupants or luggage = 7700 pounds.

Thanks for helping me on this!

 

[Johnvan]

You don't need to include the tongue weight when calculating GCVWR. That's just the scaled weight.

 

[devildodge]

Correct, I have the hemi with 3.21. So with just me in the truck, I get this:
13900 - 5325 = 8575
8575 * 10% tongue weight = 857
8575 - 857 = 7718.

Max trailer weight, no occupants or luggage = 7700 pounds.

Thanks for helping me on this!

This is correct. Except, you didn't add your weight to the base weight, so you are down your weight already. Then as you make further calculations you have to subtract those from the numbers aswell.

Also once you get a trailer weight you can adjust your tongue weight down some...but you will be splitting hairs by then.

Like if you put stuff in the camper that raises the camper GVWR and the tongue weight, which then raises truck GVWR which also raises GCWR.

So, yep you got the process.

 

[silver billet]

This is correct. Except, you didn't add your weight to the base weight, so you are down your weight already. Then as you make further calculations you have to subtract those from the numbers aswell.

Also once you get a trailer weight you can adjust your tongue weight down some...but you will be splitting hairs by then.

Like if you put stuff in the camper that raises the camper GVWR and the tongue weight, which then raises truck GVWR which also raises GCWR.

So, yep you got the process.

Thanks. I'm not that much heavier than the allowed 150 pounds already included, but I get the idea that you need to subtract all the additional weight from passengers and cargo.

Like Johnvan, I'm a little confused though why the tongue weight is subtracted from what I can pull.

 

[devildodge]

The 150 pounds isn't included. Only for the charts to determine max payload which is always wrong. The 150(well 300 for passengers) is used to figure max towing using the other standards which only apply to a specific truck. I weigh 294...so I kill the allowance myself...but that allowance isn't included when you are using your actual numbers. If that makes sense.

 

[Johnvan]

Thanks. I'm not that much heavier than the allowed 150 pounds already included, but I get the idea that you need to subtract all the additional weight from passengers and cargo.

Like Johnvan, I'm a little confused though why the tongue weight is subtracted from what I can pull.

When you're looking at your GCVW the tongue weight doesn't get included because it's already included. If you have an 8000 lb trailer and a 6000 lb truck the combined weight is 14,000 lbs. Whether or not they're attached to one another or parked beside each other the combined weight remains the same. The 8,000 lb trailer sitting by itself might have 7,000 lbs on the axle and 1,000 lbs on the tongue jack. If you hitch it to your truck you've just removed the 1,000 lbs the tongue jack was supporting and added it to the truck.

The tongue weight matters for determining how balanced the trailer is (10%-15% of the trailer weight) and how much weight you're putting on the truck which will be counted towards payload. Even 1,000 lb tongue weight still leaves you with a decent amount for passengers and gear.

 

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[romspacenut]

I just went to a CAT scale today and had mine weighed. Truck is a 2019 1500 Limited 4x4 crew cab, 6'4" box, 3.92, air suspension, pano sunroof, trailer brake controller, all weather mats, BAKFlip MX4 tonneau, car seat, full tank of gas, and myself at 230 lbs.



My payload sticker:

 

[slimchance]

i looked at a 2018 Ram 2500 Power Wagon yesterday ... the door payload sticker was 1340 #s !!!!

 

[devildodge]

i looked at a 2018 Ram 2500 Power Wagon yesterday ... the door payload sticker was 1340 #s !!!!

That is actually a high one