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Hellwig? Hell, yeah!

1awesomelaw said:
As the saying goes, if isn't broken don't fix it, if it works well in the middle hole leave it....
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That's why I went straight to the inside hole and never looked back. I like taking corners hard, feeling the g-forces, enjoying the truck and overall driving experience. No need to compromise in handling by using anything but the firmest setting. My only issue now it, it's too easy to start pushing the front end through the corners with the factory tires. But then again, a 4x4 truck with A/T tires and off-road suspension isn't really meant for corner carving.
 
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You ordered the sway bar from aafes?
 
Does anyone know why this thing is so much better than stock?? Just curious as to way this works way better than the stock sway bar. They look pretty similar to me.

I definitely plan on getting one but want to get my lift in first because I think I may need to get an extension or something. The body roll on my 21 bighorn is ridiculous. I hate it.
 
SkeeterJackson said:
Does anyone know why this thing is so much better than stock?? Just curious as to way this works way better than the stock sway bar. They look pretty similar to me.

I definitely plan on getting one but want to get my lift in first because I think I may need to get an extension or something. The body roll on my 21 bighorn is ridiculous. I hate it.
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It's more rigid and doesn't flex as much as the stock one
 
SkeeterJackson said:
Does anyone know why this thing is so much better than stock?? Just curious as to way this works way better than the stock sway bar. They look pretty similar to me.

I definitely plan on getting one but want to get my lift in first because I think I may need to get an extension or something. The body roll on my 21 bighorn is ridiculous. I hate it.
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someone posted earlier that the stock one is hollow.
 
SkeeterJackson said:
Does anyone know why this thing is so much better than stock?? Just curious as to way this works way better than the stock sway bar. They look pretty similar to me.

I definitely plan on getting one but want to get my lift in first because I think I may need to get an extension or something. The body roll on my 21 bighorn is ridiculous. I hate it.
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You put on this part and your body roll goes away drastically.
The bars are Hollow, the replacement bar isn't.

Make sure to use good upper control arms light Rough Country , the factory control arms are plastic with a metal cap on top.
 
I think people are focusing too much on hollow vs non-hollow. The mopar hollow bar was designed with the amount of flex that it has. If they (or any manufacturer) wanted to make a hollow bar have less flex, they can do that through various methods (not necessary to cover those methods here). On the same side of the coin, a solid bar can have the same flex as a hollow depending on how it's designed. The key here between the hellwig and the mopar are the leverage arms.

You can easily see the differences in the leverage arms a couple posts above in IvoryHemi's post. While it's not exact, putting the end links in the outer hole provides a very similar lb/in rating between the hellwig and mopar. As you move the end links inward on the hellwig, you shorten the leverage arm and increase the effective lb/in rating, making resistance to sway greater. It's really as simple as that.

Of course, the hellwig could be a combination of solid + shorter leverage arms, but they feel so close when the hellwig is in the outer hole that I suspect the rating is very similar. I'd like to see the lb/in rating of both when the endlink is in the outer hole of the hellwig. I'm guessing someone will need to contact hellwig for that info.
 
djevox said:
I think people are focusing too much on hollow vs non-hollow. The mopar hollow bar was designed with the amount of flex that it has. If they (or any manufacturer) wanted to make a hollow bar have less flex, they can do that through various methods (not necessary to cover those methods here). On the same side of the coin, a solid bar can have the same flex as a hollow depending on how it's designed. The key here between the hellwig and the mopar are the leverage arms.

You can easily see the differences in the leverage arms a couple posts above in IvoryHemi's post. While it's not exact, putting the end links in the outer hole provides a very similar lb/in rating between the hellwig and mopar. As you move the end links inward on the hellwig, you shorten the leverage arm and increase the effective lb/in rating, making resistance to sway greater. It's really as simple as that.

Of course, the hellwig could be a combination of solid + shorter leverage arms, but they feel so close when the hellwig is in the outer hole that I suspect the rating is very similar. I'd like to see the lb/in rating of both when the endlink is in the outer hole of the hellwig. I'm guessing someone will need to contact hellwig for that info.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation .
 
Does the air suspension trucks use the same Hellwig bar, even though the stock bars are different from what I’ve read?
 
😂. Oh man. It’s funny how much the different forums are so much alike.
I’m a newbie here, but a regular on Expeditionforum.com.
One of the most recommended upgrades I suggest for new Expedition owners is to throw their stock sway bars as far as they physically can.

The new Expy is an amazing machine but it wallows and bobbleheads back and forth and back and forth and back…. you get the picture. Unfortunately it’s something you only notice once you’ve owned it for a few weeks.

There are many threads on Expedition forum discussing the improved performance with Hellwig sway bars. I wouldn’t even think twice. Just do it. I put front and rear Hellwigs on my machine with Moog endlinks. Your back seat passengers especially will appreciate not swaying back and forth (no carsickness).

Especially for those of you with lifted trucks, and larger tires ( more sidewall). It’s a nice performance upgrade for not much money. Improves towing stability also.
However, it does sacrifice some articulation, if rock crawling is your thing.
 
RBRK said:
Does the air suspension trucks use the same Hellwig bar, even though the stock bars are different from what I’ve read?
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Don't know anything about different stock bars, but Hellwig part number 7709 is installed on my Limited.
 
RBRK said:
Does the air suspension trucks use the same Hellwig bar, even though the stock bars are different from what I’ve read?
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Correct, Hellwig only makes one sway bar, which fits both suspension types despite the factory bars being different sizes.
 
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