WXman
Ram Guru
Where the hell can we buy the oil we need in 5 quart jugs?
The 9-pack will do an oil change on these Gen 3 trucks.
Where the hell can we buy the oil we need in 5 quart jugs?
Thank you Sir.
The 9-pack will do an oil change on these Gen 3 trucks.
Thank you Sir.
So I got the first oil change in my EcoD today and sure enough the dealer put Rotella T6 in it. I wish I had seen this post sooner, but obviously Ram has not gotten the word out to dealers that Rotella is not recommended for Gen 3 Ecodiesels. Looks like I'll be making a trip back to speak with the service department.
This is regular stuff happens ourdays , mechanicks dont know what they doing , salesmans have no clue what they selling . Not a joke .Same thing happened on the new generation of Pentastar engine. They changed the oil pan and now those engines require 5 qt of oil instead of 6. To this day dealerships are still putting 6 qts in on a lot of them especially the Jeeps. FCA is terrible about communicating with dealers.
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So I contacted the service department today and they said they checked the most recent MOPAR service bulletin update and this is what it said:
Engine Oil Viscosity (SAE Grade) — Diesel Engine
CAUTION:
Your vehicle is equipped with an advanced technology Diesel Engine and an emission device designed to limit Diesel Particulate Emissions from being released into the atmosphere. The durability of your engine and life expectancy of this diesel particulate filter emission device is highly dependent on the use of the correct engine oil.
We recommend you use 5W-40 synthetic engine oil such as Mopar or Shell Rotella that meets FCA Material Standard MS-10902 and the API CJ-4 engine oil category is required.
I've used this dealership for years and they are very good, so I don't doubt that this is the most recent service bulletin in their possession, but FCA/MOPAR really needs to get the word out to their service departments on the new recommended oil to avoid confusion.
Thanks for the info. I told the dealer about the new owner's manual, but like others, they go by what the service bulletin says. I sent a note to MOPAR customer support to get some guidance on what to do with the Rotella. If they say it's no big deal for the next 10K miles then I have it in writing if something should happen later on down the road (I'd never wait that long to change it anyway).That is straight up copy and pasted from an older owners manual. The newest (version 4) has the correct info.
I am going to call FCA on my lunch today and see why dealers haven’t been notified of this yet.
The rotella oil shouldn’t cause any damage in the short term, but if your servicing dealer installs it I would contact FCA and they will make it right.
Rotella T6 is a better oil in practically every way than the oil they are recomending.Heard back from FCA, they will be elevating it to the case management team. And obviously, they recommended I reach out to the dealer to have the correct oil installed. This was a complimentary oil change (since it was the first one) and I hate to make the dealer eat the cost of the oil twice, especially if FCA never got the word out to the service departments, but it needs to be corrected. I will be towing a camper in the Ozark mountains the week after next, so I really want to make sure the engine has the proper oil installed. If I were just tooling around town with minimal load on the engine then I wouldn't be as concerned about the Rotella T6.
Rotella T6 is a better oil in practically every way than the oil they are recomending.
Their recomended oil is a High SAPS ( Sulphated Ash, Phosphate Sulphur ) oil that will ruin a DPF and emission equipment. Rotella isn't, it's low ash. Cleaning a turbo is a hell of a lot easier than a DPF replacement.
Thanks, good info. Makes me wonder what changed with the turbos between last generation and the Gen 3 that now all of a sudden T6 can cause coking. I'm assuming that as long as I follow Ram's turbo cool down guidance in the manual that I can minimize any coking that may occur after working the engine hard (2-2 1/2 minutes of idle time before shutting down).Rotella T6 is a great oil. On a brand new truck, one oil cycle with T6 isn't going to cause immidiate harm. With how much oil and filter changes cost on these, I would keep running T6 and make the correction on all future oil changes.
Coking is usually caused by oil being overheated going through the turbo and getting past seals.Thanks, good info. Makes me wonder what changed with the turbos between last generation and the Gen 3 that now all of a sudden T6 can cause coking. I'm assuming that as long as I follow Ram's turbo cool down guidance in the manual that I can minimize any coking that may occur after working the engine hard (2-2 1/2 minutes of idle time before shutting down).
So the dealer contacted me today, said they heard from FCA and they’ll be swapping my oil out for the MOPAR MS-12991. I knew my dealer would make it right, I just wonder how many other Ecodiesels are out there with Rotella because neither the owner nor the dealer has a clue that the oil specs changed.
all my oilchanges were done with rotella T6 5/40 , every 6500 km , on 72000km engine was failed .Rotella T6 is a better oil in practically every way than the oil they are recomending.
Their recomended oil is a High SAPS ( Sulphated Ash, Phosphate Sulphur ) oil that will ruin a DPF and emission equipment. Rotella isn't, it's low ash. Cleaning a turbo is a hell of a lot easier than a DPF replacement.