Conflicting Oil Standards in Owners Manual

[PolarXJ]

So after reading another thread on here about oil and looking in my owners manual, I have found the manual itself has conflicting information and likely needs to be corrected.
On page 369 it shows the first material standard MS-10902 as the standard. Then on page 370 it further reinforces that and also list She’ll Rotella as a recommended oil in 5w-40.
Now flip to page 424 and things get strange. It lists a different material standard MS-12991 with a recommended oil of Pennzoil Platinum EURO.
@RamCares care to clear this up?

 

[awsimeone]

I also am interested in clarification on this.
One spot in the diesel supplement even states Shell Rotella ms-10902 but API certification SN. As best I can tell, there is not an oil that exists meeting 5w-40 ms-10902 and is sn rated, they are all CJ-4/CK-4 if meeting ms-10902.



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[RamCares]

So after reading another thread on here about oil and looking in my owners manual, I have found the manual itself has conflicting information and likely needs to be corrected.
On page 369 it shows the first material standard MS-10902 as the standard. Then on page 370 it further reinforces that and also list She’ll Rotella as a recommended oil in 5w-40.
Now flip to page 424 and things get strange. It lists a different material standard MS-12991 with a recommended oil of Pennzoil Platinum EURO.
@RamCares care to clear this up?

I also am interested in clarification on this.
One spot in the diesel supplement even states Shell Rotella ms-10902 but API certification SN. As best I can tell, there is not an oil that exists meeting 5w-40 ms-10902 and is sn rated, they are all CJ-4/CK-4 if meeting ms-10902.



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Thank you for tagging us on this, @PolarXJ! I have reached out to my internal resource for further clarification on this matter. I will be sure to pop back in once I receive a follow up!

Mark
RamCares

 

[WXman]

I checked every single oil on the shelf at Walmart yesterday, and none of them met the MS AND API ratings listed in the owners manual, regardless of which specification ends up being the correct one.

Why does this have to be so confusing?

I'd like to just buy Rotella T6 and roll on.....but can I?

 

[RamCares]

So after reading another thread on here about oil and looking in my owners manual, I have found the manual itself has conflicting information and likely needs to be corrected.
On page 369 it shows the first material standard MS-10902 as the standard. Then on page 370 it further reinforces that and also list She’ll Rotella as a recommended oil in 5w-40.
Now flip to page 424 and things get strange. It lists a different material standard MS-12991 with a recommended oil of Pennzoil Platinum EURO.
@RamCares care to clear this up?

Hi all,

I was able to receive further clarification on this. We recommend 5W-40 Synthetic engine oil such as Mopar or Penzoil Platinum Euro that meets FCA Material Standard MS-12991 - please refer to the chart on page 424.

Mark
RamCares

 

[WXman]

Hi all,

I was able to receive further clarification on this. We recommend 5W-40 Synthetic engine oil such as Mopar or Penzoil Platinum Euro that meets FCA Material Standard MS-12991 - please refer to the chart on page 424.

Mark
RamCares

Ahhhh.... so that's why the dealer quotes $250 for an oil change. They're using oil that exists nowhere except the dealer.

Sneaky.

 

[awsimeone]

Ahhhh.... so that's why the dealer quotes $250 for an oil change. They're using oil that exists nowhere except the dealer.

Sneaky.

I was able to find some at Advanced Auto Parts, it’s quarts only and $9.99 per.

It works out for when I buy a Ferrari, I will know where to get the oil.

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[PolarXJ]

Hi all,

I was able to receive further clarification on this. We recommend 5W-40 Synthetic engine oil such as Mopar or Penzoil Platinum Euro that meets FCA Material Standard MS-12991 - please refer to the chart on page 424.

Mark
RamCares

Thank you for the clarification. Is there going to be an update for the manual?

 

[Seaeco]

I was able to find some at Advanced Auto Parts, it’s quarts only and $9.99 per.

It works out for when I buy a Ferrari, I will know where to get the oil.

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I bought this about 3 weeks ago from amazon.

Amazon.com: Pennzoil Platinum Euro Full Synthetic 5W-40 Motor Oil (1-Quart, Case of 6): Automotive

Buy Pennzoil Platinum Euro Full Synthetic 5W-40 Motor Oil (1-Quart, Case of 6): Motor Oils - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

 

[RamCares]

Thank you for the clarification. Is there going to be an update for the manual?

Yes, @PolarXJ, the manuals will indeed be updated.

Mark
RamCares

 

[alamgirian6329]

I posted a question RE: following oil from Amazon brand. Several reviewers agreeing on the lines of "Distributed by Warren Distribution. They also distribute Mobil 1, STP, Super Tech, and many other quality brands of oil."

Not sure the quality of it - or if it meets MS-10902 standard - highly doubtful if it will be MS-12991 compliant. I posted a question with the MS- question and if its low-ash formulation.

Amazon.com: AmazonBasics Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5W-40, Euro Formula, 1 Quart, 6 Pack: Automotive

Buy AmazonBasics Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5W-40, Euro Formula, 1 Quart, 6 Pack: Motor Oils - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

I have bunch of Rotellla T6 left from my prior WRX/STi days - but want to keep warranty intact. Drive my truck gentle/highway, no towing or hard driving. Want to keep oil change interval sooner than recommended 10,000 miles - and to keep warranty intact. Wondering if Rotella T6 will suffice or should I hunt the MS12991.

Understand that 12991 is recommended, but dont really see if Rotella T6 is "advised against", "harmful", "going to void warranty" - etc.

 

[The_Dude]

Guys,

I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia QV with the V6 TT and I use this oil too. You can buy a 3 pack 5 quart jugs from Walmart for $80. It's the best and only place where it's reasonably priced. At least your oil filter doesn't cost $70.

 

[WXman]

The Pennzoil Platinum Euro posted above is not a diesel engine oil, correct? Diesel oils are formulated quite differently. Why did FCA spec this oil for a diesel engine? I'm still leery of this and I plan to stick with Rotella T6 until I get a good explanation.

 

[HST]

It is rated for light duty diesel engines . I also like your you tube vid's keep them coming.

 

[The_Dude]

It does have the correct Chrysler ms spec.

 

[greggsmith21]

Here's a post from a FB group, 2020+ 3rd Generation EcoDiesel that has a ton of great Oil info in it from one of the members that seems to be well versed in Diesels and the new 3.0.

Oil Options for the MS-12991 Specification on the Gen3
Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40
https://www.pennzoil.com/…/full…/pennzoil-platinum-euro.html
RAVENOL VollSynth Turbo VST SAE 5W-40
https://www.ravenolamerica.com/…/5w-40-motor-oil-ravenol-f…/
TOTAL Quartz 9000 Energy SAE 5W-40
http://catalog.lubricants.total.com/…/QUARTZ-9000-ENERGY-5W…
MOTUL 8100 X-Clean 5W-40
https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/products/8100-x-clean-5w40
Quaker State Ultimate Durability EURO 5W-40
https://www.quakerstate.com/…/fd56c985174ce1ad3fdc2a4701707…
Havoline ProDS Full Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-40
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx…
CAM2 Blue Blood Elite Euro 5W-40
http://www.cam2.com/…/80565-382%20Blue%20Blood%20Euro%205W-…
FUCHS TITAN SuperSyn SAE 5W-40
https://www.fuchs.com/…/prod…/8867-titan-supersyn-sae-5w-40/
Red Line Oil 5w40 Motor Oil
https://www.redlineoil.com/5w40-motor-oil
ELF Evolution 900 FT 5W-40
http://www.lubs-products-database.total.com/…/v…/34500/34510
ELF Evolution 900 SXR 5W-40
http://www.lubs-products-database.total.com/…/v…/21500/21994
VALVOLINE Advanced Full Synthetic MST 5W-40
Visual evidence from Shawn Crowe - website does not list product yet.
MOPAR MaxPro 5w40 P/N 68231020AA
Pulled that one directly from the owners manual.
Those are currently all the oils I can find who’s marketing information clearly states it is for use with the MS-12991 Specification.
IF you find another, please let me know so that I may update the list. If one of these falls off the list, likewise, please tell me!
Unofficial Lists: These Oils have been personally confirmed to meet the specifications, but the marketing materials do not indicate this at this time:
LIQUI-MOLY LEICHTAUF HIGH TECH SAE 5W-40
Confirmed via email 04/07/2020- information forwarded to ask for materials update to reflect compatibility.
TRIAX Euro LX 5W-40
Confirmed via email 04/07/2020- information forwarded to ask for materials update to reflect compatibility.
TRIAX Euro Ultra VX 5W-40
Confirmed via email 04/07/2020- information forwarded to ask for materials update to reflect compatibility.
AMSOIL 5W-40 Classic European Engine Oil (EFM)
Confirmed via email 04/07/20 - will be in next update of product data sheets.
AMALIE Elixir Full Synthetic Euro 5W-40
Confirmed via email 04/08/2020 - will not be included on product data sheets.
Millers Oil Trident 5w40 Fully Synthetic
Confirmed via email 04/08/2020 - also will not be included on datasheet as best I can indicate.
Pennzoil Platinum Euro Full Synthetic oil is designed for modern light duty diesel engines and high-performance engines that exceeds euro car manufacturer requirements for cleanliness and protection based on BMW, Maserati and Ferrari.

 

[WXman]

Some excerpts from a rep at AMSOIL today. He's confused about why FCA would spec this oil for a diesel engine with DPF and SCR.

 

[HST]

Also the Cam 2 oil listed says not for DPF filters .

 

[greggsmith21]

If you do your own oil changes, here’s a much better priced option for a Mopac OEM filter instead of purchasing from dealer. Diesel Filters Online Store

68507598AA - MOPAR OEM OIL FILTER 2020+ RAM 1500/JEEP WRANGLER JL WITH 3.0L DIESEL


$43.95
SKU 68507598AA

 

[WXman]

Yeah I think most of us are ordering from them. They're about half of the list price.