Bed Utility rail installation

[WCollins]

Your guys that have lit in the utility rails. The manual says to torque to 10.5 Nm (7.5 ft lbs) that math does translate. 10.5nm is like 90 ft lbs.
what’s the right torque to use?

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[Jako]

I'm not sure why this is posted again, confusing between Nm - ft/lbs - in/lbs (10.5Nm=7.5ft/lbs.=90in/lbs)

 

[Sensei]

I need to tie down 2 180lb scooters. I'm looking at adding these rails, so I can tie 1 handlebar to the corner bed loop, and the other handlebar to the opposite side rail. I have to do it this way because the scooters get in the way of trying to use the front lower loops.

The question is, are these cleats all plastic or steel re-inforced? 250 lbs doesn't sound like enough strength to ratchet down a scooter to. Thoughts?

 

[SacRebel]

I just snugged them up by feel and have never had a problem.

 

[Maconi]

I need to tie down 2 180lb scooters. I'm looking at adding these rails, so I can tie 1 handlebar to the corner bed loop, and the other handlebar to the opposite side rail. I have to do it this way because the scooters get in the way of trying to use the front lower loops.

The question is, are these cleats all plastic or steel re-inforced? 250 lbs doesn't sound like enough strength to ratchet down a scooter to. Thoughts?

It's not just the load rating, but also the angle that you have to be careful about. Too steep of an angle and you might cause the rail to bend/warp (or rip out altogether). I generally try to use the built-in metal loops and just use the cleats for additional stabilization as needed (although they both supposedly have the same load rating).

 

[Sensei]

Thanks. I decided against these rails. Instead, I installed L Track at the bottom front of the bed. This made strapping both scooters very easy as I could just tie their outside to the built-in D loops, and the center to an L track loop. Took all the way to Colorado from TX with no issues at all, and I ratcheted them down pretty tight.

 

[jm192]

Bump

I'm planning to buy a truck without the rails tomorrow, but want them. I also want a bed liner, which it doesn't come with. Does order matter?

Are the rails harder to install after the bedliner? Do you worry about when they spray the bedliner, the rails get coated?

 

[Jako]

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I'm planning to buy a truck without the rails tomorrow, but want them. I also want a bed liner, which it doesn't come with. Does order matter?

Are the rails harder to install after the bedliner? Do you worry about when they spray the bedliner, the rails get coated?

The rails are installed using hexagon shaped rivnuts. If the "bed liner" you are referring to is a sprayed in bed liner I would install the rivnuts first as the liner material will fill the hole perimeter and is somewhat difficult to remove particularly since the hole is hexagon shape. If it is a drop in liner the Dualliner is a 4 piece bed liner that is marked with holes for drilling where the rivnuts go for the bed of the truck

See from post #61 and further
https://5thgenrams.com/community/threads/utility-bed-rails-install.9674/page-4

2019 - 2025 "New Body" Dodge Ram 1500 Truck Bed Liner Short 5ft 7in Bed

This Ram 1500 truck bed liner fits the 2019 to 2025 RAM 1500 "New Body" pickup truck with a 5' 7" short bed. This ultra-durable skid-free truck bed liner is made in the USA. Shop now.

www.dualliner.com

See step #2, "Important Notes"

https://www.dualliner.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Dodge-Ram-2019-2020-Install-Guide-DOF19PAK.pdf

 

[rzims]

I did the lineX liner and didn't install the rivnuts beforehand. Now I have to try to clean out the holes so I can install the rivnuts. Have not attempted yet, wondering how hard its going to be scraping off the bedliner....

 

[Bigdaveincali]

The molar ones will be tough, others won’t be. You can also use a tiny file

 

[NorthernArea51]

I’m going to go ahead and say I effed up the torque on these rivnutts...most of them are completely lose

Anyone know of a solution to this?

 

[RJS]

You might still be able to expand them more using this technique and save the day. Be sure to lubricate the threads, nut and washer assembly prior to turning them to tighten. It wouldn't hurt to use a couple of washer together, lubed to reduce friction either.

 

[NorthernArea51]

You might still be able to expand them more using this technique and save the day. Be sure to lubricate the threads, nut and washer assembly prior to turning them to tighten. It wouldn't hurt to use a couple of washer together, lubed to reduce friction either.

I will give is a shot!

Those rivnuts were a mf’er getting the holes WITH lube. That should have been enough alone I guess. Shouldn’t have even tightened them. Lol

Nothing like some solid humble pie to start your Monday with lol


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[RJS]

I will give is a shot!

Those rivnuts were a mf’er getting the holes WITH lube. That should have been enough alone I guess. Shouldn’t have even tightened them. Lol

Nothing like some solid humble pie to start your Monday with lol


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Yup, same with mine, tight fit but it's light gauge sheet metal so not much resistance to rotational forces.

 

[NorthernArea51]

Yup, same with mine, tight fit but it's light gauge sheet metal so not much resistance to rotational forces.

I said eff it and threw the rails on and tightened by hand. Nothing supper strong but it’s plenty sturdy. Had a helluva time just trying to get the screws to thread because Of the bed liner


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[kapinallinen2]

I’m going to go ahead and say I effed up the torque on these rivnutts...most of them are completely lose

Anyone know of a solution to this?

I just splurged for a 5/16 riv-nut tool after using a DIY 1/4-20, it worked but was finicky. https://www.mcmaster.com/rivet-nut-installation-tools/wrench-driven-rivet-nut-tools/

 

[NorthernArea51]

I just splurged for a 5/16 riv-nut tool after using a DIY 1/4-20, it worked but was finicky. https://www.mcmaster.com/rivet-nut-installation-tools/wrench-driven-rivet-nut-tools/

Well...I didn’t even know those existed lol

So it was some lube, a hammer and piece of cardboard for me


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[Boston]

I said eff it and threw the rails on and tightened by hand. Nothing supper strong but it’s plenty sturdy. Had a helluva time just trying to get the screws to thread because Of the bed liner


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Bigger rivnuts.

 

[Duran]

Stupid inch lbs! I forgot about those! Thanks


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Hahahahahaha

 

[Duran]

After a lot of hassle I finally got them installed today.

Where did you order your rails from