Tazer has voided my warranty

[silver billet]

I've actually programed this on my Z06 with HP tuners. It's a scaling map called etc opening rate and a follower map to close the tb. The taser interrupts this signal and magnifies the throttle pedal signal by a factor of x depending on what setting you're using on the device. But honestly this is pointless because it dosen't truly matter what it does or how it does it or whether or not it changes the intended operation of the vehicle, FCA views his as tampering plain and simple so it does really matter what we think of the tazer.

That said, valvebody line pressure is directly tied to throttle position and opening rate. Depending on how much change is made it could negatively impact the transmission.
If you think the throttle pedal behaves I that simple of fashion, I suggest some reading in the HP tuners forum. There's nothing simple about this. The tazer dosen't remap thus function but the effects are the same which is why I called it what it actually is.

Putting a pedal commander on your truck has nothing to do with remapping anything. All it does is send out a little more voltage just like it would when you press the pedal farther.

I'm not talking about the Tazer. I was responding to somebody who was worried about using something like the pedal commander and voiding the warranty.

 

[silver billet]

I get the idea you dont understand what the pedal commander, or any throttle booster device does. As I mentioned, it "modifies" the signal from the throttle pedal. You admit this yourself. It does more than just increase the voltage. If that's all it did, then at full throttle, the signal would be outside the parameters the system is designed to work within.

It "modifies" the "signal" in the same way that turning up your radio volume a fraction more "modifies" the stereo. It's a simple potentiometer.

 

[Jimmy07]

All it does is send out a little more voltage just like it would when you press the pedal farther.

A little more voltage than what?
Press the pedal down farther than where, than the farthest position it will go?
Can I achieve the exact same results that the pedal commander provides without installing one? If not, can you explain exactly why?

 

[silver billet]

Can you design a device that exceeds the expected line out voltage from the pedal? Definitely. But that's now how these devices (pedal monster/commander) work.

In very simple terms; your pedal has a line out voltage that is read by the ECU. 0 (or extremely low voltage) = pedal not depressed. Something like 8 volts might mean pedal fully depressed. So the pedal sends out voltage in the range of 0 to 8 volts. The pedal monster/commander simply bumps the voltage up from what the pedal would naturally be at. If you press the pedal 1/4 inch and normally would be at 1.5 volts, these devices might send out 2 volts instead; the computer simply thinks you're pressing the pedal farther than you are.

They also don't increase the voltage linearly; it's more of a curve, with a boost in the beginning and middle, but tapering off as you reach WOT.

(I don't remember the exact voltage numbers, it was explained to me by a mechanic years ago, but that is basically how they work with some safeties thrown in (they might have 2 redundant signals instead of 1 etc etc)).

 

[Jimmy07]

Can you design a device that exceeds the expected line out voltage from the pedal? Definitely. But that's now how these devices (pedal monster/commander) work.

In very simple terms; your pedal has a line out voltage that is read by the ECU. 0 (or extremely low voltage) = pedal not depressed. Something like 8 volts might mean pedal fully depressed. So the pedal sends out voltage in the range of 0 to 8 volts. The pedal monster/commander simply bumps the voltage up from what the pedal would naturally be at. If you press the pedal 1/4 inch and normally would be at 1.5 volts, these devices might send out 2 volts instead; the computer simply thinks you're pressing the pedal farther than you are.

They also don't increase the voltage linearly; it's more of a curve, with a boost in the beginning and middle, but tapering off as you reach WOT.

(I don't remember the exact voltage numbers, it was explained to me by a mechanic years ago, but that is basically how they work with some safeties thrown in (they might have 2 redundant signals instead of 1 etc etc)).

And what exactly does that do that makes the truck instantly respond when accelerating from a stop, that I can’t make the truck do without one installed? Does it cause the throttle body to open up quicker, or something like that?

 

[silver billet]

And what exactly does that do that makes the truck instantly respond when accelerating from a stop, that I can’t make the truck do without one installed? Does it cause the throttle body to open up quicker, or something like that?

Nothing; it's just a mind trick, but even though we know that's all it does, it certainly makes it feel like the truck is more powerful and responsive.

It's actually the oldest trick in the book. I drove an early 90's era VW golf that was completely gutless, and also very hard to drive around parking lots. The pedal was so agressive off the line to make it feel powerful and "eager to go", but it had no guts left beyond that initial surge.

 

[Jimmy07]

Nothing; it's just a mind trick, but even though we know that's all it does, it certainly makes it feel like the truck is more powerful and responsive.

It's actually the oldest trick in the book. I drove an early 90's era VW golf that was completely gutless, and also very hard to drive around parking lots. The pedal was so agressive off the line to make it feel powerful and "eager to go", but it had no guts left beyond that initial surge.

It doesn’t do anything different with the throttle valve response? If I’m at a stop next to someone with an identical truck, and all other things being equal, he can’t take off faster than me? Or he can, but it’s just a mind trick?
Is their description of what it does not correct, or does it do something different on ram trucks? https://pedalcommander.com/pages/product-information

 

[securityguy]

It doesn’t do anything different with the throttle valve response? If I’m at a stop next to someone with an identical truck, and all other things being equal, he can’t take off faster than me? Or he can, but it’s just a mind trick?
Is their description of what it does not correct, or does it do something different on ram trucks? https://pedalcommander.com/pages/product-information

It simply opens the throttle body valve with a faster response...period...that's it!

 

[Nick57]

Let's all take a breath to enjoy this picture of a flying Ram...

 

[Eighty]

Let's all take a breath to enjoy this picture of a flying Ram... View attachment 100345

WTF is up with his front right tire??

 

[securityguy]

WTF is up with his front right tire??
View attachment 100358

The jump was Photoshopped

 

[HandyCruiser]

The jump was Photoshopped

Say it ain't so!

 

[Eighty]

The jump was Photoshopped

Lol, even if it was photoshopped from somewhere else, I still wanna know what happened!

 

[NewTruckWhoDis]

Lol, even if it was photoshopped from somewhere else, I still wanna know what happened!

I think that is the rear, driver's side tire sitting just slightly lower than the front passenger tire. Makes it look like a poor photoshop job.

 

[securityguy]

I think that is the rear, driver's side tire sitting just slightly lower than the front passenger tire. Makes it look like a poorly photoshop job.

If you look closely at the pic, you can see the "halo" effect around the tires and bottom of the truck itself. Look at the rock color transitional area as well...directly in line with the top of the truck.

 

[NewTruckWhoDis]

If you look closely at the pic, you can see the "halo" effect around the tires and bottom of the truck itself. Look at the rock color transitional area as well...directly in line with the top of the truck.

Oh, I don't disagree that the picture is likely photoshopped, I was just explaining what I thought was going on with that front tire.

 

[Eighty]

Y'all are sucking all the fun out of this.
You're supposed to say something like, "Well, he was in a rush to get to the tire shop, so someone could explain why he was experiencing a slight thumping noise"

 

[ekaz]

That picture wasn't photoshopped. The tazer caused the pedal commander to over voltage the throttle body and caused the tires to spin so fast in the jump that they deformed. Oh...and it was fixed under warranty.

 

[securityguy]

That picture wasn't photoshopped. The tazer caused the pedal commander to over voltage the throttle body and caused the tires to spin so fast in the jump that they deformed. Oh...and it was fixed under warranty.

Thanks for giving me a great laugh my friend...I need that after a crazy Monday!

 

[Cliffrunner88]

As someone that is in a legal skirmish currently, I can say it would be cheaper to buy a new transmission than to pay an atty to go to battle for you.

But the principal of it all! lol