Spare tire WARNING

[VaderRebel]

Sigh. Serves me right. Appreciate the insight and I’m glad I get to be an idiot for free.

Just be thankful you didn't do serious damage to your truck!

 

[Kamikaze6780]

Ugh OMG if this is the case, it's going to be a PR nightmare.

 

[RichT]

When you go to the carsdirect site and use their little build tool, the aluminum spare is indeed part of the eTorque package. Maybe it is the reason for the price increase. The main thing that I learned shopping for my Rebel is that none of the option choices make complete sense. A kid armed with Excel could have done a better options matrix.

 

[ccdmndkut]

Possible related recall?

 

[Neokane]

spare > steel w/32" WildPeak C rated
OEM tires > 33" Duratrac E rated

I too have a steel spare with the wildpeak tire. 265/65r18.. I wonder if I will be getting a 33" duratrac spare soon!?!

 

[AbitaPro]

First, the important s....t. Got tired of waiting for someone else to do the dirty work for me, so I just completed testing my steel rim spare on my vehicle. It worked fine!!!

That being said, I, if given the chance will never change a wheel on this vehicle again. I have road service and that is what I will use, and if can't get road service, I will call an Uber! Before I got this, my first Ram truck, I never had wheels this big. (22's on a Limited). They look great but to me are huge!

Okay, so much on that, now on to the mystery. When I took my jack kit out there was this little white funnel like tube strapped to the tool bag. About 6 inches long. Would appreciate someone familiar with FCA or Ram trucks to tell me what it is used for. Looked in the manual in regards to tire changing and could not find anything.

Cheers!

Oh, one more thing, it would be nice if the fellow who started this whole thread filled us in on what were the results of his original problem.

The white funnel is if you run out of fuel and you need to add fuel, it may come in handy. Ford has same thing in their trucks.

 

[SuperShortMag]

The white funnel is if you run out of fuel and you need to add fuel, it may come in handy. Ford has same thing in their trucks.

There is a picture of it on the back side of your gas fill door

 

[daberk]

I have the 20" wheels on my truck. My build sheet lists *Full Size Temporary Use Spare Tire and *18" Full Size Steel Spare Wheel. I'll have to get under the truck this weekend and see what's there but isn't using an 18" spare on a truck with 3 other 20" wheels a problem?

 

[SpeedyV]

I have the 20" wheels on my truck. My build sheet lists *Full Size Temporary Use Spare Tire and *18" Full Size Steel Spare Wheel. I'll have to get under the truck this weekend and see what's there but isn't using an 18" spare on a truck with 3 other 20" wheels a problem?

Not if the tire is sized appropriately. I wouldn’t run it as anything other than a temporary spare, though. I see cars doing 80 mph with a mini-spare on their daily commute around here, and that’s just asking for trouble!

 

[kevinssaco]

I am sitting along the highway as I type this. My worst fear happened on my limited today...hit a pot hole and bent a 22" wheel.......pulled out owners manual...found jack....lowered spare from rear.....jacked up front corner of truck....
Changed tires.......that's when I was dumbfounded by FCA.
Because the spare is a steel (thin) wheel and the 22's are thicker alloy the LUG NUTS WILL NOT TORQUE DOWN!!.....studs are too long......lugs to shallow...whatever!!



$65K TRUCK DOES NOT HAVE SERVICABLE SPARE TIRE.....WAITING FOR TOW....MISSED MY FLIGHT OUT

Is it just me or is this inexcusable from an engineering stand point

#FixItAgainTony
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I cant believe they put a temporary spare on a pickup truck either! I hope I never have a blowout where I need to use the damn thing! Almost makes me want to buy a real spare! Especially for towing! The hardware thing, a designer should be fired over that!

 

[DavidNJ]

One heck of a thread. Somewhat concerning.

The temp spare assumes tires are the original diameter.

For off-roading, a "full size spare" implies the same as the wheels, not a different size or on a different size wheel. Off-roading, trucks get flats. The spare has to be a replacement.

Then there is the issue of trailing towing, which I presume many use the Ram 1500s for. Certainly my intent. Towing, you need a full-size spare, equivalent to what is on the truck. On some lonely highway in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday evening, having a spare not capable of towing the trailer is not an option.

It seems FCA didn't provide a solution for trailer towing, has not handled it for Off-Road Group that has 20" or 22" wheels (can the Off-Road Group has 22" wheels??)

Disappointing...

 

[Eric326]

One heck of a thread. Somewhat concerning.

The temp spare assumes tires are the original diameter.

For off-roading, a "full size spare" implies the same as the wheels, not a different size or on a different size wheel. Off-roading, trucks get flats. The spare has to be a replacement.

Then there is the issue of trailing towing, which I presume many use the Ram 1500s for. Certainly my intent. Towing, you need a full-size spare, equivalent to what is on the truck. On some lonely highway in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday evening, having a spare not capable of towing the trailer is not an option.

It seems FCA didn't provide a solution for trailer towing, has not handled it for Off-Road Group that has 20" or 22" wheels (can the Off-Road Group has 22" wheels??)

Disappointing...

What you listed were my concerns as well, especially in regards to being off-road somewhere remote that you might not want to run a temp spare. I went ahead and replaced my 18" steel spare with a stock wheel (Painted/Polished Aluminum 20") paired with a matching BFG KO2 275/60R20 tire. I was concerned that the center hole wouldn't fit the spare tire lift plate, which was an issue on the 4th gen Ram 1500s, but the spare tire lift does manage to fit even though the center hole is quite a bit smaller in diameter than the spare.

I went ahead and took some pictures in case anyone is interested.

 

[Panhandle Ram]

What you listed were my concerns as well, especially in regards to being off-road somewhere remote that you might not want to run a temp spare. I went ahead and replaced my 18" steel spare with a stock wheel (Painted/Polished Aluminum 20") paired with a matching BFG KO2 275/60R20 tire. I was concerned that the center hole wouldn't fit the spare tire lift plate, which was an issue on the 4th gen Ram 1500s, but the spare tire lift does manage to fit even though the center hole is quite a bit smaller in diameter than the spare.

I went ahead and took some pictures in case anyone is interested.

Appreciate this! Even fit a 33" BFG under there! Did you modify or bend the shroud at all?
I actually asked the service adviser that usually helps me for service and recalls about fitting a 5th identical full size spare and was told it would not fit.
I looked myself at the house and measured a around 1 1/2" to "spare" inside that aluminum shroud cover, but the spare appeared so tiny and pathetic I wasn't even sure if i could get the stock 275/55/r20 without removing shroud.
Will pass the info on to the adviser next service.

 

[Eric326]

Appreciate this! Even fit a 33" BFG under there! Did you modify or bend the shroud at all?
I actually asked the service adviser that usually helps me for service and recalls about fitting a 5th identical full size spare and was told it would not fit.
I looked myself at the house and measured a around 1 1/2" to "spare" inside that aluminum shroud cover, but the spare appeared so tiny and pathetic I wasn't even sure if i could get the stock 275/55/r20 without removing shroud.
Will pass the info on to the adviser next service.

I didn't modify any of the heat shield around the tire, it managed to fit up there without any issues. In regards to your service adviser, I want to say that there was an issue on the 4th gens about fitting a full size spare. For sure I think there was an issue fitting a stock wheel on the 4th gen spare lift cable. Perhaps that's what your adviser is familiar with still.

Either way, glad the pictures helped someone else out so they know what fits under there.

 

[Panhandle Ram]

I didn't modify any of the heat shield around the tire, it managed to fit up there without any issues. In regards to your service adviser, I want to say that there was an issue on the 4th gens about fitting a full size spare. For sure I think there was an issue fitting a stock wheel on the 4th gen spare lift cable. Perhaps that's what your adviser is familiar with still.

Either way, glad the pictures helped someone else out so they know what fits under there.

Yes, your post and photos saved me some time as well.
I was going to jack it up and do a Mock tire blow out emergency to check the spare fitment and double check I have all the tools needed and that my jack actually reaches a lift point before we plan a future road trip! (my 14' had 6" lift and 35"s and my 2 jacks were way too short. Needed few blocks to elevate jack just to touch the frame)

Read about a fellow 5thgenRams owner's story about his 19' Limited spare tire NOT being compatible with those lugs supplied and he was obviously stranded and ended up missed his flight. Unreal!
Different then my 20" setup, but I was definitely going to take the time to check. He had the stock 22" rims the lugs wouldn't tighten fully bc of the width differences in the 2 rims.
So apparently no one tried to put one of these steel cast 18" on with the limited's 22"s during testing or this would have been noticed and addressed right?
I'm not a gambling man, and temporary tire not rated the same as my stock setup for maximum load #'s (think towing heavy and your stock tire goes, putting this go cart spare on) so like you, a real spare is in the near future. Thanks again!

 

[DavidNJ]

What you listed were my concerns as well, especially in regards to being off-road somewhere remote that you might not want to run a temp spare. I went ahead and replaced my 18" steel spare with a stock wheel (Painted/Polished Aluminum 20") paired with a matching BFG KO2 275/60R20 tire. I was concerned that the center hole wouldn't fit the spare tire lift plate, which was an issue on the 4th gen Ram 1500s, but the spare tire lift does manage to fit even though the center hole is quite a bit smaller in diameter than the spare.

I went ahead and took some pictures in case anyone is interested.

An aftermarket wheel would typically have a larger hub opening requiring a spacer in use.

It looks like the 33" 275/60-20 is a tight fit as a spare. I thought it has been posted a 34" would fit. Does it look like there is adequate room?

P.S. From the pictures, it looks like the spare is useless if off-road or towing. If you are somewhere a KO2 is needed, the OE spare isn't the answer.

 

[clam]

I had a flat a few months back, and I was lucky to have the aluminum spare that bolted up fine. This was on a 19' Laramie Sport with the 20" Wheels.

 

[duke2001]

Yes, your post and photos saved me some time as well.
I was going to jack it up and do a Mock tire blow out emergency to check the spare fitment and double check I have all the tools needed and that my jack actually reaches a lift point before we plan a future road trip! (my 14' had 6" lift and 35"s and my 2 jacks were way too short. Needed few blocks to elevate jack just to touch the frame)

Read about a fellow 5thgenRams owner's story about his 19' Limited spare tire NOT being compatible with those lugs supplied and he was obviously stranded and ended up missed his flight. Unreal!
Different then my 20" setup, but I was definitely going to take the time to check. He had the stock 22" rims the lugs wouldn't tighten fully bc of the width differences in the 2 rims.
So apparently no one tried to put one of these steel cast 18" on with the limited's 22"s during testing or this would have been noticed and addressed right?
I'm not a gambling man, and temporary tire not rated the same as my stock setup for maximum load #'s (think towing heavy and your stock tire goes, putting this go cart spare on) so like you, a real spare is in the near future. Thanks again!

See Post #86 of this thread. Everything you said I did.

 

[BadAspSVT]

Just had my 1st unfortunate flat with my brand new (1800 miles) limited with the 22’s. The spare fit perfectly.

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[RSConsulting]

Just had my 1st unfortunate flat with my brand new (1800 miles) limited with the 22’s. The spare fit perfectly.

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Was the "rolling height" the same - or did it start throwing ABS & Traction Control errors? As long as the OUTSIDE DIAMETER of the assembly is close, it should get you to safety.

Also something to note: the next time your trucks are in for a rotation - have them drop the spare and check the inflation. Nothing like a flat spare. I carry a 12V compressor anyways (and a plug kit). Goes without saying - NEVER USE FIX-A-FLAT on a TPMS equipped wheel, unless you want to shell out for a new TPMS Sensor.

Regards,

Rick