To me I think the KO2s and the Falken AT3Ws are at the top of the list for good ATs on a pickup truck (I would also add duratracs, and if the reviews are to be believed, the new toyos belong in that tier). I loved the KO2s I had, really did.I put a set of the Toyo A/T II's on my Cherokee Trailhawk and they have been terrible in the wet conditions. I wanted Falken Wildpeak A/T3W's but the tire guy I was dealing with convinced me that the Toyo was a far superior tire as far as ride quality and balance. But after that experience I didn't think twice about putting Wildpeak A/T3W's on my Ram when it was time to replace the H/Ts. So far I've really liked the Falkens on the truck and they seem planted in the rain. We don't get much snow around here but if we do I feel they'll do well there as well. I've had BFG KO2's on my Jeep Wrangler for a few years now and they have been great in the rain but I've not had them in the snow either. They were my go-to tires for years but I wanted to try other brands and save a bit of money in the process. Like other's have posted, if money wasn't a factor I would put KO2's on all my rides, but they were $200+ more for a set on the Cherokee and nearly $400 more for the Ram.
Took a quick photo!Pics!! How’s the noise/hum?
That was a concern of mine as well, usually there is a reason why a company doesn't put a mileage warranty on thier tires... The Ridge Grapplers don't the new AT3s do, 65,000 for the size I'm looking at. I guess my instincts were right on the Nittos. Now the next question is, did Toyo fix the wet traction issues from the old AT2s???? Anyone have any long term experience with the AT3s who can attest to the wet traction?I had a set of the ridge grappler‘s on my 2019 ram 1500 hemi. I bought aftermarket 18 inch fuel wheels to put them on. I really liked the ride of the ridge grappler‘s, however they wear fairly quickly. Don’t know if that was due to improper inflation, I rotated them about every 5000 miles, and I tow a small travel trailer that weighed about 4000 pounds. After about 22,000 miles on them they look like they need to be replaced. I just bought a 2020 eco-diesel with 22 inch wheels. And I’m planning on putting the Toyo at3s on my new truck. I live in snow country and I need a better tire than the stock road tires. Hoping these work well for towing, snow and rain.
Awesome information ChadT, I appreciate you including the other tires you have used/had experience with. Out of all of these, which were your favorites?? I know time will only tell on the new AT3s, but what about the rest?2 more photos, I went on the highway just so I could talk about it. I was only on a short time!
Thusfar I really like them. Day one thought? Glad I did it.
I'm starting to think the less aggressive sidewall, might also be why these tires are lighter than the competition, despite being spec'd at 33.4in tall in the OEM size. There's less rubber on the side, and it translates to weight savings.
Again these tires are super new, I'm realizing I should consider some of my opinions with a "grain of salt" situation as they are ultra new.
Noise wise, didn't notice any under 40mph.
It actually made me feel like I have the exact right amount of exhaust note now.
From 50 to 70mph I did notice noise.
Tire wise, in the past I've had:
- Dueler Revo 2 A/Ts
- General Grabbers
- Toyo AT2s on a Gen1 Rebel
- BF Goodrich KO2s
- Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs
- Now the Toyo AT3s.
The sound profile reminds me of a sound I've heard before, I want to say it's the revos?
It doesn't sound like a full squadron of B-17s flying toward Berlin, not aaaaaanything like that. It's almost like a whir? A whoosh? Different sound from the duratracs.
I don't know how to quantify it but it didn't strike me as concerning, horrible, nothing like that. I notice it, but it wasn't concerning.
in fact it was quieter at 70 than it was at 50, odd. Perhaps the exhaust note covering it up? (It's not loud if the non-droning 22in magnaflow exhaust can cover it). I think this might be break in related. They are suuuper new.
I'll post some more pictures.
Awesome information ChadT, I appreciate you including the other tires you have used/had experience with. Out of all of these, which were your favorites?? I know time will only tell on the new AT3s, but what about the rest?
I'll be curious to know if that little bit of road noise goes away or gets louder with added miles on the AT3s. If you get some rainy drives, please report back!
ChadT friggin awesome info, thanks again. Very helpful Information, I'm going to keep looking for some answers on the wet driving for the new AT3s. I'm not a fan of noisey tires, and I've got a buddy with a set of KO2s and you can hear them on the road for sure. If it wasn't for that, I would have already bought a set of them. That's why I looked into the AT3s and Nitto Trail Grapplers (hoping the trail grapplers would be quite) if I can find some solid info leading to the AT3s staying sticky in the wet, I'll be sold.- Dueler Revo 2 A/Ts - A glorified highway tire, PS: Do not turn in the snow. Had good MPG. It was a simpler time then, I think we were still on BFG A/T K/Os. Not even the KO2. Might have been 2008? More aggressive than a dueler H/T, didn't ruin the driving characteristics.
- General Grabbers - They had a reputation on some web boards for "flat spotting" if they sat in certain temperature ranges, i believe I experienced that. It went away not long after rolling, but it was a funky feeling. Poor man's BFG. I recall them being good in the snow, but highways were sketchy at times. Little bit of wander, and if in a high and light box-shaped SUV, taking some wind, you noticed the lack of rubber under you.
- Toyo AT2s on a Gen1 Rebel - Slip and slides in the rain. Never chanced it to winter. Replaced at 7,000 miles. I'm so pissed about that, I forgot alll its other qualities. I believe Ram chose them for good reasons. Good offroad in the dirt, good ride even with an E-rated tire, didn't kill the MPG, etc. I think they honestly felt like they nailed it. Then the canadian rebel owners started to talk about changing out the tires.
- BF Goodrich KO2s on a Gen 1 Rebel- These were my favorite, and will always be a favorite. In the beginning I had a bad vibration in the rear tires, I had them balanced 3 seperate times - the 3rd time I had them road force balanced on that special machine, that fixed it. (Note these Toyo AT3s did not have to go on a road force balancing machine.) I also set them at about 53.5PSI front, 43.5 PSI rear, as the sidewalls felt super stiff. 2,000 miles later they relaxed, I went to regular PSI. Then, eventually the sidewalls felt a little mushy.
That aside, I loved them. Traction on everything. Great in the rain, in the snow even on an unplowed road in a surprise snowstorm that left many stranded. Freak ice storm. I could have done the speed limit everywhere had it not been gridlock everywhere. Comfortable, not too loud. I don't think they were going to last much longer than 40,000 miles, but they stuck to everything. Good to adequate on the highway too, no complaints.
This truck was leased, I was too chicken to do serious offroading with it, the light stuff it saw (that included a little bit of dirt road that got one highway tire Ram longhorn stuck, they needed to go into 4x4 and make a few turns to get out of), it breezed through without drama.
- Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs -I respect them, I think they're a good tire. Having an A/T or M/T that can get a 3MPSF rating for severe snow, and handle water, AND be comfortable, not too loud, etc? I think that makes for a good tire. I once drove on a highway in the snow, it hadn't really been really plowed yet. I didn't want to go too fast in 4x4, but I can say up to 49mph, I felt like I had excellent traction. When I didn't, I'd slow down. It was confidence inspiring. They aren't super heavy either. I honestly wanted to try something different though. I have a suspicion the rolling resistance was high due to the soft rubber, square treads, ton of open space, etc.
- Now the Toyo AT3s. - To me I was looking for an A/T that was a little better on road, where I would be using it most of the time, BUT I didn't wanna compromise snow performance or the trails I'd feel comfortable taking the truck one day. It's an offroad truck, I would not put highway tires on them, nor am I someone that's purchased highway tires for any of my rides!
I think these are better on road than the Toyo AT2s, the duratracs, and the KO2s.
The KO2 and duratrac sound profile, you could hear them, you could. I think the KO2s might have been a smidge quieter than the duratracs, but the 5th gen ram has better sound proofing. The Toyos are too quiet to hear below 40mph.
I think why people talk about noise with them, is that you don't hear them at all below 40, and suddenly hear them above 50.
At least thusfar. As I try hard to think, I think the duratracs make some noise the whole time that your brain kind of assumes is simply the truck - and it's gradually getting louder with speed.
The Toyo's sound profile shows up only with enough speed/rotational velocity.
I could see not noticing it after 5min or so on a highway trip. I'll have to test that.
I personally think these have the best lateral grip on dry road of any of the above. The Ko2s, AT2s, duratracs, all. You can carry more speed through a corner.
Even if the tires make noise when broken in (the lines on the tires are still visible right now), I could see keeping them happily and picking them again as long as they perform well in rain and snow. I really like them on road.
What lift are you running?i just put the new rims and 285/60r20 Toyo’s on. Got them from Custom Offsets. Pretty happy with the price and service. Had them put on hardrock crusher 20x9 rims.
LOVE THESE TIRES. Don’t have a ton of time on them but so far they are amazing. I’m replacing Falken wildpeaks wi 8700 mile. I really liked the Falken tires and was A bit worried moving to a LT rated tire but my worries are gone. A tad bit firmer than the Falken but by no means rough. Very quiet. I’m hearing more wind noise due to being less aerodynamic but I don’t really hear more road noise. I also love that these are also 3 peak rated for snow. We go to Colorado 3-4 time a yr to snowboard and I need good tires in snow. Anyway...I’m a fan.
ChadT friggin awesome info, thanks again. Very helpful Information, I'm going to keep looking for some answers on the wet driving for the new AT3s. I'm not a fan of noisey tires, and I've got a buddy with a set of KO2s and you can hear them on the road for sure. If it wasn't for that, I would have already bought a set of them. That's why I looked into the AT3s and Nitto Trail Grapplers (hoping the trail grapplers would be quite) if I can find some solid info leading to the AT3s staying sticky in the wet, I'll be sold.