Icon Vehicle Dynamics Vs. King Coilovers

[Mustangmike66]

@DRebel where did you get the coil overs and shocks?


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[Mustangmike66]

@DRebel where did you get the coil overs and shocks?


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@DRebel never mind I found it from your other post.


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[DRebel]

@DRebel where did you get the coil overs and shocks?


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I gotten them from polyproformance.com

 

[DRebel]

Update.

2020 Corona Eco Rebel build

So far I’ve traded in my ZR2 and modified my Frontrunner rack to fit my Ram to put my Tepui tent on. I’ve also add a Ram mount for my phone.

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[Ram1500rsm]

Icon kits for the RAM 4th gen or 5th gen 1500 would not be the best hi performers. Look at the front CO's and you won't find a reservoir even if you asked for one from Icon. So you won't get RES, and you won't get Icon CDC either.
You can get both options only in their rear shocks. Also unless you go for 2.5 body CO's and shocks you're not not keeping up with a Raptor 1st or 2nd gen with a 1500 truck with 2.0 rear shocks unless you're doing FWY rides. Also keep in mind Icon gives you 13 inch / 650 lbs springs in their CO's as opposed to King or Fox who will give you 14" and 500/550lbs . Don't know if Icon offer extended travel CO's for the 5th gen, you get that with King or Fox out of the bat. So unless you run a heavy front with the Icons they might feel a little harsh on the street. King or Fox will give you a better experience on or offroad with OE specs. and you can order them with heavier springs if you are going to be running a heavier bumper /winch etc. The only advantage Icons have over other vendors in the 1500 market is price. and why ? you get basic 2.5 coilovers without RES and/or CDC and 2.0 rear shocks. That's an entry level performance suspension but that won't be enough for regular bashing, Icon Stage 5 kit has the same front basic 2.5 CO without RES/CDC but you get the Icon DJ UCA's, 1.5" rear springs and 2.5 rear shocks with RES and CDC.

You can get more performance using King 2.5 or Fox 2.5 front and rear, both come with reservoirs , and with both you have the choice of adding compression adjusters if you want that feature. You can still go with Icon 1.5" coil springs and your choice of performance UCA, I'm biased towards Kings since that's what i run now days. And yes i can keep up with Raptors as long as they're not upgraded to 3.0 shocks with race UCA's and performance air cans

2020-06-06_09-40-54 by RAM RSM, on Flickr


Before you spend your money on the OE specs from King or Fox, get in touch with companies like Thuren, Accutune offroad, FilthyMotorsports and the like. They can get you shocks valved and tuned to your modifications and needs. Nothing wrong with OE, but the difference is day and night when you try a custom valve and tune and the difference in price is an extra $100 or so.
I started with the OE King because i got them with 25% off, now i have Accutune valved and tuned to my specs and i would never go OE again. More expensive to get them revalved and tuned if you don't get them like that 1st time.

For rear springs you can use the Icon 1.5" springs, part# 212150. They'll give you 1-1/14" rear lift, and will accomodate any rear shock 27-27.5" long you want to run. 1st stage rate is softer than stock so the truck will feel super nice unloaded, 2nd rate is 75% stiffer so you get a lot of extra weight support of the springs, all in all, nicer ride than stock springs overall, more weight support and support for longer than stock shocks. Don't know how long are the 5th gen rear stock shocks. Stock 4th gen are 25.5", King 2.5 rear shocks for the 4th gen 1500 are 27.25".

For front UCA's it seems the 4th gen ones fits the 5th gen trucks. from my experience with IFS applications, most are designed to offset the BJ when lifted between 2-3" and most offer a HD BJ or uniballs. I have Zone in my RAM but go with whatever is recommended for your truck that have an offset especially if you're going to be bashing it in the dirt.

For rear control arms, if you guys can fit the 4th gen rear control arms, there is a ton of options you can use. I'm running 2020 Jeep JT rear arms. FCA shared the 4th gen 1500 rear control arms and rear panhards with the 2020 Jeep Gladiator so you can imagine the aftermarket we just gained. I've rested my truck 6200lbs in one of them offroading without a sweat. this things are just damn pure beef.

2020-05-02_05-23-39 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

Good luck with whatever you go.

 

[Eltaco]

Icon kits for the RAM 4th gen or 5th gen 1500 would not be the best hi performers. Look at the front CO's and you won't find a reservoir even if you asked for one from Icon. So you won't get RES, and you won't get Icon CDC either.
You can get both options only in their rear shocks. Also unless you go for 2.5 body CO's and shocks you're not not keeping up with a Raptor 1st or 2nd gen with a 1500 truck with 2.0 rear shocks unless you're doing FWY rides. Also keep in mind Icon gives you 13 inch / 650 lbs springs in their CO's as opposed to King or Fox who will give you 14" and 500/550lbs . Don't know if Icon offer extended travel CO's for the 5th gen, you get that with King or Fox out of the bat. So unless you run a heavy front with the Icons they might feel a little harsh on the street. King or Fox will give you a better experience on or offroad with OE specs. and you can order them with heavier springs if you are going to be running a heavier bumper /winch etc. The only advantage Icons have over other vendors in the 1500 market is price. and why ? you get basic 2.5 coilovers without RES and/or CDC and 2.0 rear shocks. That's an entry level performance suspension but that won't be enough for regular bashing, Icon Stage 5 kit has the same front basic 2.5 CO without RES/CDC but you get the Icon DJ UCA's, 1.5" rear springs and 2.5 rear shocks with RES and CDC.

You can get more performance using King 2.5 or Fox 2.5 front and rear, both come with reservoirs , and with both you have the choice of adding compression adjusters if you want that feature. You can still go with Icon 1.5" coil springs and your choice of performance UCA, I'm biased towards Kings since that's what i run now days. And yes i can keep up with Raptors as long as they're not upgraded to 3.0 shocks with race UCA's and performance air cans

2020-06-06_09-40-54 by RAM RSM, on Flickr


Before you spend your money on the OE specs from King or Fox, get in touch with companies like Thuren, Accutune offroad, FilthyMotorsports and the like. They can get you shocks valved and tuned to your modifications and needs. Nothing wrong with OE, but the difference is day and night when you try a custom valve and tune and the difference in price is an extra $100 or so.
I started with the OE King because i got them with 25% off, now i have Accutune valved and tuned to my specs and i would never go OE again. More expensive to get them revalved and tuned if you don't get them like that 1st time.

For rear springs you can use the Icon 1.5" springs, part# 212150. They'll give you 1-1/14" rear lift, and will accomodate any rear shock 27-27.5" long you want to run. 1st stage rate is softer than stock so the truck will feel super nice unloaded, 2nd rate is 75% stiffer so you get a lot of extra weight support of the springs, all in all, nicer ride than stock springs overall, more weight support and support for longer than stock shocks. Don't know how long are the 5th gen rear stock shocks. Stock 4th gen are 25.5", King 2.5 rear shocks for the 4th gen 1500 are 27.25".

For front UCA's it seems the 4th gen ones fits the 5th gen trucks. from my experience with IFS applications, most are designed to offset the BJ when lifted between 2-3" and most offer a HD BJ or uniballs. I have Zone in my RAM but go with whatever is recommended for your truck that have an offset especially if you're going to be bashing it in the dirt.

For rear control arms, if you guys can fit the 4th gen rear control arms, there is a ton of options you can use. I'm running 2020 Jeep JT rear arms. FCA shared the 4th gen 1500 rear control arms and rear panhards with the 2020 Jeep Gladiator so you can imagine the aftermarket we just gained. I've rested my truck 6200lbs in one of them offroading without a sweat. this things are just damn pure beef.

2020-05-02_05-23-39 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

Good luck with whatever you go.

Without a doubt the most informative suspension post I’ve read here. Thanks for taking the time to type that all out!

I’m not able to make sense of the cost of either of these options, but may pick up the Icon rear springs based on your description!

 

[Zoompastu]

Had the icon rear springs on my fourth gen Ram. They were fantastic

 

[Ram1500rsm]

Without a doubt the most informative suspension post I’ve read here. Thanks for taking the time to type that all out!

I’m not able to make sense of the cost of either of these options, but may pick up the Icon rear springs based on your description!

My pleasure. 2.5 performance mid travel shocks are not cheap but believe me if you never tried race shocks before you'll be hooked for life. you can do 60mph in dirt trails where you thought the truck was going to explode at 30mph and the shocks just beg for more. And you can keep that kind of fun for hours without your shocks fading. You can also do so with 35's while keeping your tires away from the fender lips with just 2-2.5" of lift.

All are priced more or less the same so aprox $2400-$2500 area if you go with King, Fox or Radflo. Icon is a bit cheaper but is not the same performance for the reasons explained above. Could be less could be more depending on options, vendor discounts etc. That's shocks only. From there get your choice of UCA's, rear coil springs etc. Spend once cry once it's well worth it if you have the terrain to open her up and let her rip. I'm in Socal and we have desert for speed and mountains for more technical offroading.only thing I don't do is get air, at least big air dune racing lol.

Have fun.

 

[ljndralec]

Icon kits for the RAM 4th gen or 5th gen 1500 would not be the best hi performers. Look at the front CO's and you won't find a reservoir even if you asked for one from Icon. So you won't get RES, and you won't get Icon CDC either.
You can get both options only in their rear shocks. Also unless you go for 2.5 body CO's and shocks you're not not keeping up with a Raptor 1st or 2nd gen with a 1500 truck with 2.0 rear shocks unless you're doing FWY rides. Also keep in mind Icon gives you 13 inch / 650 lbs springs in their CO's as opposed to King or Fox who will give you 14" and 500/550lbs . Don't know if Icon offer extended travel CO's for the 5th gen, you get that with King or Fox out of the bat. So unless you run a heavy front with the Icons they might feel a little harsh on the street. King or Fox will give you a better experience on or offroad with OE specs. and you can order them with heavier springs if you are going to be running a heavier bumper /winch etc. The only advantage Icons have over other vendors in the 1500 market is price. and why ? you get basic 2.5 coilovers without RES and/or CDC and 2.0 rear shocks. That's an entry level performance suspension but that won't be enough for regular bashing, Icon Stage 5 kit has the same front basic 2.5 CO without RES/CDC but you get the Icon DJ UCA's, 1.5" rear springs and 2.5 rear shocks with RES and CDC.

You can get more performance using King 2.5 or Fox 2.5 front and rear, both come with reservoirs , and with both you have the choice of adding compression adjusters if you want that feature. You can still go with Icon 1.5" coil springs and your choice of performance UCA, I'm biased towards Kings since that's what i run now days. And yes i can keep up with Raptors as long as they're not upgraded to 3.0 shocks with race UCA's and performance air cans

2020-06-06_09-40-54 by RAM RSM, on Flickr


Before you spend your money on the OE specs from King or Fox, get in touch with companies like Thuren, Accutune offroad, FilthyMotorsports and the like. They can get you shocks valved and tuned to your modifications and needs. Nothing wrong with OE, but the difference is day and night when you try a custom valve and tune and the difference in price is an extra $100 or so.
I started with the OE King because i got them with 25% off, now i have Accutune valved and tuned to my specs and i would never go OE again. More expensive to get them revalved and tuned if you don't get them like that 1st time.

For rear springs you can use the Icon 1.5" springs, part# 212150. They'll give you 1-1/14" rear lift, and will accomodate any rear shock 27-27.5" long you want to run. 1st stage rate is softer than stock so the truck will feel super nice unloaded, 2nd rate is 75% stiffer so you get a lot of extra weight support of the springs, all in all, nicer ride than stock springs overall, more weight support and support for longer than stock shocks. Don't know how long are the 5th gen rear stock shocks. Stock 4th gen are 25.5", King 2.5 rear shocks for the 4th gen 1500 are 27.25".

For front UCA's it seems the 4th gen ones fits the 5th gen trucks. from my experience with IFS applications, most are designed to offset the BJ when lifted between 2-3" and most offer a HD BJ or uniballs. I have Zone in my RAM but go with whatever is recommended for your truck that have an offset especially if you're going to be bashing it in the dirt.

For rear control arms, if you guys can fit the 4th gen rear control arms, there is a ton of options you can use. I'm running 2020 Jeep JT rear arms. FCA shared the 4th gen 1500 rear control arms and rear panhards with the 2020 Jeep Gladiator so you can imagine the aftermarket we just gained. I've rested my truck 6200lbs in one of them offroading without a sweat. this things are just damn pure beef.

2020-05-02_05-23-39 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

Good luck with whatever you go.

wow thanks for the info. best post yet. any recomendations on my set up? i have a 2019 ram big horn 4x4 i recently put the 2.5 kings with adjusters on all corners. im not knowlegable with suspension so i took it to a shop to get them installed. i figured kings are the best so invested money in them. i did of course notice bigger difference than stock. went on an 8 hour family trip to test them out. i have played with adjusters softer is way better on street and when i crank them to firmer i notice the handling changes is more firmer but feels bumpier on streets but handles better offroad. i played with thr adjusters did them 5 and then 10 clicks firmer my wife who rides in the back with my son noticed that ride wuality is much harder and told me felt harsh. i feelt bumps too but more control of vehicle. im think if i buy icon uca or the icon rear springs would improve my ride quality. also i read some posts that 35 tires since rated e give harsher ride quality idk if this is completrly true. logn story short you posted that accutune tuned and valved them from oem and it improved overall ride quality would you recomend me to do the same? im basically looking for a really soft and comportable street ride but when i take them offroad really be able to do that? thank you for any feedback from anyone

 

[Ram1500rsm]

wow thanks for the info. best post yet. any recomendations on my set up? i have a 2019 ram big horn 4x4 i recently put the 2.5 kings with adjusters on all corners. im not knowlegable with suspension so i took it to a shop to get them installed. i figured kings are the best so invested money in them. i did of course notice bigger difference than stock. went on an 8 hour family trip to test them out. i have played with adjusters softer is way better on street and when i crank them to firmer i notice the handling changes is more firmer but feels bumpier on streets but handles better offroad. i played with thr adjusters did them 5 and then 10 clicks firmer my wife who rides in the back with my son noticed that ride wuality is much harder and told me felt harsh. i feelt bumps too but more control of vehicle. im think if i buy icon uca or the icon rear springs would improve my ride quality. also i read some posts that 35 tires since rated e give harsher ride quality idk if this is completrly true. logn story short you posted that accutune tuned and valved them from oem and it improved overall ride quality would you recomend me to do the same? im basically looking for a really soft and comportable street ride but when i take them offroad really be able to do that? thank you for any feedback from anyone

Icon coils should give you a little lift in the back (about 1") and they'll ride as good as stock cause you'll be riding pretty much in their 1st rate without a load and their spring rates are softer than stock in that one. UCA's will also improve your suspension cycling up and down in the rough.

You can't run the softer setting in the dirt cause you'll bottom out the shocks if you're trying to have some fun so you have to make them firmer. but should give you the most comfy ride in the street in the 1st 1-2 clicks. The OE Kings don't give you low speed compression adjustment per se, but a mid speed setting that tries to give you an easy to tune road/performance feel setting up low/high speed compression with one knob.
The firmer they're the better they work in big washes ruts and what not at speed. it's a compromise, but you can have those compression adjusters working a lot better via valving and tuning. Couple of the dudes i go out with doing trail rides run those OE Kings 8-10 clicks clicks past the softer one permanently, one did a valving job from Accutune and he says the difference is noticeable.

How King Compression Adjusters Work – AccuTune Off-Road

accutuneoffroad.com

I'll prob wait until you need your shocks rebuilt. Valving and maintenance is like $125 per shock. more if they have to change pistons. In my case i paid extra to change the OE rear pistons as they were digressive and they needed to be linear to give me an improved valving needed out of my rear shocks, (i don't have adjusters). They feel just a tad firmer compared to the OE valving, but they absorb big bumps a lot better with less speed. Before i needed to speed up to about 35-40mph for them to feel plush in the washes, now i can do so at around 25mph or so and up and i don't bottom out like before in big potholes. I used to have adjusters in my Tacoma/Icon stage 5 before. i found myself playing with them the 1st month, after that i had them in "S" setting for the street, 4 clicks past that for the dirt, and in the end i used to run them in the 5th click permanently and never touched them again. Fox is the only vendor out of the 3 in this case that will give you the best adjuster in their OE application as you can control low speed and high speed compression independently.

Have fun.