BowDown
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And their June 8th announcement is that Ram is back in the NASCAR Truck Series
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wvinson
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Or just get the hurricane
Let’s be honest 400hp in a DD pickup is plenty of enough. Would I like more power… sure but can’t ever say I even used all 400hp in my everyday life, it’s just not necessary nor is it a sport car where I feel the need to unleash all the horses.
ramhouston
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say it louder for the people in the back
silver billet
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The hurricanes don't have the duty cycle of an iron block NA v8. This is why last year they kept the 6.4 in the 2500 with "only" 410 hp, and why they didn't put the HO or even the SO in the 2500.
Some of you only see one thing: 0-60. That's fine, that's your preference, but a lot of guys know what they want in a truck engine and it's not a small turbo.
WXman
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If they wanted to really play ball, they'd put the 6.4L in the 1500 to compete with GM again. At one point Ram had passed the Chevrolet brand. Won't happen again unless they go 6.4L and do a refresh on the aging DT platform.
BlueHemi1500
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I hope that the E-Tourque system is phased out, as numerous others have noted, as it adds extra complexity and potential for failure. I have a low-tech Hemi, and it just works. IMHO - plenty of grunt and go fast when needed for ME. It does/has done all that I have asked. I had a heavy-duty diesel truck previously to do heavy-duty things. My needs changed, and now I have the Harry Home Owner truck, doing all the Harry Home Owner things.
The new I-6 Engines appear to be great technical marvels. But, man, they have made them extremely difficult to maintain (wow). If they keep the Hemi at the reduced complexity for the routine maintenance procedures, they will sell lots; if they adopt the complex maintenance procedures, there is a high potential that the Hemi will not sell well.
There are some good things about the potential of the Hemi in race trucks. We all will see the durability tested and most likely improved on the assembly line in the immediate future. The after-market will also be able to learn from noted failures, and improved after-market parts will come to market to support the Hemi owners in the market. And we will all benefit from those improved parts as bolt-on replacements in the future.
BlueHemi1500
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The eTorque may simply be the price we pay to resurect the Hemi.
A bit of future-proofing for the manic changes to EPA policy, and since it is now unlikely to be a volume engine, it doesn't make sense to have it a la carte.
What I would like, if they are going to force feed us eTorque, is ability to tap into the battery pack a la Ford Powerboost. I don't need 7.2KW but a nice 2+KW capability would be amazing.
That would be a much more cost-effective value-add vs. re-engineering Hemi for more power, more MPG, or an aluminum block.
Otherwise, I'm just carrying around an extra 160+ lbs eTorque system for no reason.
A bit of future-proofing for the manic changes to EPA policy, and since it is now unlikely to be a volume engine, it doesn't make sense to have it a la carte.
What I would like, if they are going to force feed us eTorque, is ability to tap into the battery pack a la Ford Powerboost. I don't need 7.2KW but a nice 2+KW capability would be amazing.
That would be a much more cost-effective value-add vs. re-engineering Hemi for more power, more MPG, or an aluminum block.
Otherwise, I'm just carrying around an extra 160+ lbs eTorque system for no reason.
Hemi will play a similar role to Ford's 5.0 or GM's 5.3 - it isn't meant to be the most powerful option, and now that Ram has the Hurricane, it has no need to be.
And on paper, Hemi has the same power as the Coyote, and more power and torque than the GM.
Ford and GM each sell a worthwhile amount of these engines despite them not being the top performer, and I expect the case will now be the same for HEMI.
Yep, and the reason I bought my particular truck.. Hemi w/o Etrq. I passed on several others that were equipped how I wanted but had the Etrq system. I looked past the gimmick they wanted everybody to believe advertising the extra 1-2mpg blah blah.. only to further complicate a system to squeeze those extra potential MPG out. Leave it as an option for those that want it and don’t.
As impressive as the I6 number are, its still a pass for me I want a rather simple V8, I don’t need 500hp for an everyday driver truthfully…would it be nice to have absolutely but I’d be kidding myself believing that I need vs want that. Short term it’s probably a pretty stout motor.. long term who knows. I know most will point out its under warranty the first few years and thats fine for those that a) rotate trucks every few years b) don’t put a considerable amount of miles yearly c) want all the latest and greatest tech. Personally the miles I put yearly go up or down depending on work location and length of work. I could be on the east coast for a week then needed at another job on the west coast etc.
Stellantis service departments also have a lot to be desired dealing w/ them could be a nightmare. Some will say hey I have a great rep w/ their local service center, others not so much. Now imagine you get away from all mighty great servicing dealer and you have an issue while away from home… Hemi’s a rather simple motor and parts are generally plentiful. Best for those that turn their own wrenches like me and rather leave the servicing dealer completely out of it.
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That's your opinion. My opinion, and my cash, want 540hp and no doubt I'm merging without an issue. I bought this last August and have a smile every mile.
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^^This. Truth is, most people use a half ton truck as a car most of the time, and maybe occasionally tow a boat or small travel trailer. Maybe haul a load of mulch home for the garden. I'm in that category. And for that type of use either Hurricane variant should be a great engine. People who regularly work their trucks harder are better off with a higher displacement naturally aspirated engine. But I'm sure plenty of people here will disagree with that so I'll don my flame suit.
And thats perfectly fine.. Ive said it before.. offer both as an option and let the buyer spec and buy what fits them better… but lets not act like 350-400hp can’t merge on the interstate just fine this isn’t the Autobaun system hell even then it wouldn’t be a problem. Lets not flaunt that 540hp like its necessary especially in a heavy pick up truck unless your one or those people that wanna race stoplight to stoplight in local towns be realistic.
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Honestly, you read that statement from him and you know he's just looking to justify his own purchase. My truck is literally a rocket compared to everything I've owned in the past, which were 150hp (GM 3100), 200 hp (GM 3800), and about 300 hp (Pentastar in a GC).
Merging on a freeway? Don't make me laugh, ain't nothing slowing me down and I'm still kicking semi's butts with a decent travel trailer strapped to the bumper.
BowDown
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I don't know where you read this or why you keep repeated it as it simply isn't true. Hell, to read here, the HEMI doesn't have the duty cycle of a iron block NA V8.
GM has been using aluminum blocks for years without issues as have BMW and Toyota and meanwhile, GM cant keep the iron block 6.2 from blowing apart inside 1000 miles, they recalled them
If you want the HEMI, get the HEMI, it you want more power, get the Hurricane truck because the 5.7 isn't getting anymore HP and the 1500 isn't getting a 6.4
