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[silver billet]

Yet the same ones poo-pooing the hurricane having more HP are asking for the 6.4

Note: the 6.4 NA, not the 6.2 super charged variants that are making well north of whatever measly numbers the HO is making.

It's almost like there is a reason and consistently to our logic?

 

[RedFred]

I was driving a 5.7 hemi since 2011. It's time for something better, actually it's long overdue. I was tired of the tired 5.7L hemi. My preference would have been to stay with a V8, but an improved and more powerful one. Since that was not an option, I jumped into a 2025 with the hurricane motor. Mine is the SO, but I have still been pleasantly surprised. The 3.0TT feels like a big motor with power on demand even at lower rpm's. IMO, it's great that we once again have a V8 option, but not so great that it's the same motor that's been around since the 2009 model.

 

[BowDown]

We never thought we would ever see a Hellcat motor in a RAM either, well how did that turn out?

This is America. We can make it happen.

Nah, I knew that would happen, if the Dart had hung on a little longer, it would have gotten an HC engine too. HC engines are Dodges Franks Red Hot Sauce

 

[BowDown]

Ima continue to go on about my day I like usually do, I don’t feel the need to feed into someone egos and run stop light to stop light in traffic just to end up at the same red light. It’s a DD and does that well and will always be for the foreseeable future.

 

[silver billet]

I was driving a 5.7 hemi since 2011. It's time for something better, actually it's long overdue. I was tired of the tired 5.7L hemi. My preference would have been to stay with a V8, but an improved and more powerful one. Since that was not an option, I jumped into a 2025 with the hurricane motor. Mine is the SO, but I have still been pleasantly surprised. The 3.0TT feels like a big motor with power on demand even at lower rpm's. IMO, it's great that we once again have a V8 option, but not so great that it's the same motor that's been around since the 2009 model.

The hemi's age combined with the ZF 8 speed was an attraction for me. A extremely mature engine/drivetrain, with all the pros and cons well documented and sorted, lots of aftermarket support, every mechanic and their uncle has experience with them (so getting stuck in BFN towing my trailer I'm safe to assume some garage will have parts and knowledge to fix etc etc).

I do look forward to a new design, hopefully that comes soon. But I won't be first in line for that engine either. Gotta let the early adopters find the flaws for me.

 

[BowDown]

It's repeated because it's true. All the heavy duty gas engines are iron block, including GMs.

And yes, the 5.7 hemi is the only gas engine in the half ton segment that was used and abused for years in the heavy duty segment.

Your comment about the 6.2 is extremely disingenuous, but you knew that. The reason the 6.2 is failing (right now) is not due to engine or architectural design, it's a flaw in their manufacturing process which has already been corrected. And correction, it's also not an iron block. Their recent iron blocks are the 6.0 and 6.6 both only in the heavy duty segment.

FYI, the 1500 is a, wait for it, Light Duty truck.
Its true to you but you can't offer a single fact to validate your claim. As for the 5.7 being the only engine used and abused in the HD ton segment, why? Because the 5.7 was the only gas V8 dodge had until the 6.4 came along. Also, the 5.9 (360) was used in 2500's longer, is it better than the 5.7?
You know that GM makes AL versions of that engine right and the 6.2 is an iron block 6.2L 375 Cast Iron Short Block

 

[BowDown]

Note: the 6.4 NA, not the 6.2 super charged variants that are making well north of whatever measly numbers the HO is making.

It's almost like there is a reason and consistently to our logic?

What?

 

[silver billet]

FYI, the 1500 is a, wait for it, Light Duty truck.

Next you'll tell me grass is green. Surprise.

Its true to you but you can't offer a single fact to validate your claim. As for the 5.7 being the only engine used and abused in the HD ton segment, why? Because the 5.7 was the only gas V8 dodge had until the 6.4 came along.

No. The 5.7 was offered along side the 6.4

Also, the 5.9 (360) was used in 2500's longer, is it better than the 5.7?

Couldn't tell you, I don't know anything about that engine.

You know that GM makes AL versions of that engine right and the 6.2 is an iron block 6.2L 375 Cast Iron Short Block

The 6.2 that comes stock in GM trucks is an aluminum block. The current recall has nothing to do with the engine design, they have a manufacturing flaw that affected a limited run of those engines.

Only the 6.0 and now 6.6 used in the GM 3/4 + 1 ton + their heavy duty vans have iron blocks.

Edit: the link you used is not for a stock GM block. Here is a link to stock specs:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l86/

 

[silver billet]

What?

Your claim was that hemi guys "poo pooing" the hurricane are asking for more power. I told you "yes", but not just "more power", specifically NA v8 power. I'm not asking for the super charged hemi that puts out 700+ hp, because I'm not after max HP. I'm after a bump in NA, v8 power.

 

[BowDown]

Your claim was that hemi guys "poo pooing" the hurricane are asking for more power. I told you "yes", but not just "more power", specifically NA v8 power. I'm not asking for the super charged hemi that puts out 700+ hp, because I'm not after max HP. I'm after a bump in NA, v8 power.

With the 6.4, all you're getting is a bump, 15hp and 20tq. you'll most certainly feel that

 

[BowDown]

Next you'll tell me grass is green. Surprise.


No. The 5.7 was offered along side the 6.4


Couldn't tell you, I don't know anything about that engine.



The 6.2 that comes stock in GM trucks is an aluminum block. The current recall has nothing to do with the engine design, they have a manufacturing flaw that affected a limited run of those engines.

Only the 6.0 and now 6.6 used in the GM 3/4 + 1 ton + their heavy duty vans have iron blocks.

Edit: the link you used is not for a stock GM block. Here is a link to stock specs:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l86/

You made the comment that the hurricane wasn't used in the HD trucks, the 1500 isn't a HD truck and the Hurricane was designed for a LT truck so yeah, water is wet.
The 5.9 was in HD trucks before the 5.7 was and it was as bad as the 5.7 was in HD trucks
GM uses both aluminium and iron blocks in the trucks, the iron truck blocks are what people pull from the junk yards and twin turbo for race engines, because they're cheap.

Again, if you dont like the hurricane, dont get one

 

[BowDown]

I was driving a 5.7 hemi since 2011. It's time for something better, actually it's long overdue. I was tired of the tired 5.7L hemi. My preference would have been to stay with a V8, but an improved and more powerful one. Since that was not an option, I jumped into a 2025 with the hurricane motor. Mine is the SO, but I have still been pleasantly surprised. The 3.0TT feels like a big motor with power on demand even at lower rpm's. IMO, it's great that we once again have a V8 option, but not so great that it's the same motor that's been around since the 2009 model.

Exactly. Had Dodge made any improvements to the 5.7 like GM and Ford have done, it'd be a different story but they haven't. The only noteworthy improvements to the 5.7 since 2002 are Eagle heads and VVT. The 5.7 feels lazy sometimes because it doesn't have a lot of low speed torque. I bet your SO hurricane drives much better at low rpms than the HEMI

 

[silver billet]

With the 6.4, all you're getting is a bump, 15hp and 20tq. you'll most certainly feel that

Incorrect again. The 6.4 SRT has 485 hp and 475 lb/ft of torque.

 

[silver billet]

You made the comment that the hurricane wasn't used in the HD trucks, the 1500 isn't a HD truck and the Hurricane was designed for a LT truck so yeah, water is wet.

You're not understanding a simple concept: the 5.7 has the duty cycle to be in a 2500. That's the attraction of the NA hemi. The hurricane does not have the duty cycle to do heavy duty. It doesn't matter that the 1500 isn't a HD truck, many of use work the crap out of them, also by running heavier duty tires or upgrading the shocks.

The 5.9 was in HD trucks before the 5.7 was and it was as bad as the 5.7 was in HD trucks
GM uses both aluminium and iron blocks in the trucks, the iron truck blocks are what people pull from the junk yards and twin turbo for race engines, because they're cheap.

I've told you several times now: aluminum only in the half tons, iron block only in the 3/4 + 1 tons. Again, there is a reason why Ford, GM, and Ram all use iron block NA v8's in their heavy duty trucks; and that reason is what attracts many of us to the hemi in the half ton as well. The 5.7 will take a ton of abuse. No guess work. It has proven itself over decades. This was a crucial point for me when buying my truck in 2019, so you cannot argue it isn't important. IT IS. To me and many others.

Again, if you dont like the hurricane, dont get one

Literally my entire point.

 

[BowDown]

Incorrect again. The 6.4 SRT has 485 hp and 475 lb/ft of torque.

That's the car engine, not the truck 6.4, you're wrong bob

 

[BowDown]

You're not understanding a simple concept: the 5.7 has the duty cycle to be in a 2500. That's the attraction of the NA hemi. The hurricane does not have the duty cycle to do heavy duty. It doesn't matter that the 1500 isn't a HD truck, many of use work the crap out of them, also by running heavier duty tires or upgrading the shocks.



I've told you several times now: aluminum only in the half tons, iron block only in the 3/4 + 1 tons. Again, there is a reason why Ford, GM, and Ram all use iron block NA v8's in their heavy duty trucks; and that reason is what attracts many of us to the hemi in the half ton as well. The 5.7 will take a ton of abuse. No guess work. It has proven itself over decades. This was a crucial point for me when buying my truck in 2019, so you cannot argue it isn't important. IT IS. To me and many others.



Literally my entire point.

And I've told you, they use both but did it ever occur to you that they use iron in HD trucks because it's cheaper and the extra weight over the nose is as critical in a 7-8k truck?

I'd bet money very few here aside from you care about an iron block over aluminum block but you keep flying that flag

 

[Ramroo]

Can anyone tell me how long the duty cycle of my hemi is why hauling groceries and not daring to drag anything but a Chevy LUV?

 

[silver billet]

That's the car engine, not the truck 6.4, you're wrong bob

Exactly, it's the SRT, the engine we've been asking for. Nice to see you finally catch up to the rest of us.

 

[silver billet]

And I've told you, they use both but did it ever occur to you that they use iron in HD trucks because it's cheaper and the extra weight over the nose is as critical in a 7-8k truck?

No. They use iron because of duty cycle and how it handles heat.

I'd bet money very few here aside from you care about an iron block over aluminum block but you keep flying that flag

You bet with your money as you see fit.

 

[PurpleRT]

I’ll just leave this here.


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