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Demand For Electric Pickup Trucks Continue To Decline

All the stats quote charging time from 10-80%. What happens at 80% that apparently makes the next 20% significantly slower to charge?
 
The other thing about new EV's is that they are relatively new technologies and use entirely new chassis and power train. I don't trust any manufacturer to make a new but largely problem-free vehicle. It's been over 10 years and Tesla still can't get it right. Though, Tesla is not a "real" car company.
 
The other thing about new EV's is that they are relatively new technologies and use entirely new chassis and power train. I don't trust any manufacturer to make a new but largely problem-free vehicle. It's been over 10 years and Tesla still can't get it right. Though, Tesla is not a "real" car company.
What can't Tesla "get right"? I know several Tesla owners that haven't had any issues
 
I mean that got that whole thing of having their cars drive over people and flee the scene.
They just need to get the "not get caught" part down.
The self driving mode has nothing to do with it being an EV. The basic car itself it pretty reliable, and has set the standard for other EV cars.
 
I mean that got that whole thing of having their cars drive over people and flee the scene.
They just need to get the "not get caught" part down.
Ford's rolled out BlueCruise on their F150 and GM has assisted driving/self driving on the Sierra (the name escapes me at the moment).

I'm sure they both and the Tesla say you have to still pay attention...
 
Wow, that's a huge difference! That, I would wait a bit longer, I can fill my motorcycle with that savings :)
A look and see on GasBuddy comparing the Norwood BJs to gasoline stations in the area doesn't show the large delta stated. BJs is selling regular gas for $3.22 per gallon with area retail stations running 10 to 20 cents more per gallon.
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A look and see on GasBuddy comparing the Norwood BJs to gasoline stations in the area doesn't show the large delta stated. BJs is selling regular gas for $3.22 per gallon with area retail stations running 10 to 20 cents more per gallon.
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No idea what you are trying to prove, none of those are anywhere near me, like an hour away at a minimum.

BJs gas is significantly cheaper and I use the BJs credit card so it knocks another 10 cents off the listed price
I just looked at that website you used "gasbuddy" and it only has 1 station nearby rest are blank.

This is an BJs nearby
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And another
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This is their joke of a list of prices for any zipcode I enter
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No idea what you are trying to prove, none of those are anywhere near me, like an hour away at a minimum.

BJs gas is significantly cheaper and I use the BJs credit card so it knocks another 10 cents off the listed price
I just looked at that website you used "gasbuddy" and it only has 1 station nearby rest are blank.

This is an BJs nearby
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And another
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This is their joke of a list of prices for any zipcode I enter
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GasBuddy prices are only as good as those who report them in the app. I use Gas buddy and the associated fuel card that can save me anywhere from the standard 3 cents a gallon, up to 30 cents a gallon with deal alerts. Plus the fuel card protects my bank accounts from skimmers on the pumps. Have to enter a pin number for it to work and it only goes to Gasbuddy account
 
GasBuddy prices are only as good as those who report them in the app. I use Gas buddy and the associated fuel card that can save me anywhere from the standard 3 cents a gallon, up to 30 cents a gallon with deal alerts. Plus the fuel card protects my bank accounts from skimmers on the pumps. Have to enter a pin number for it to work and it only goes to Gasbuddy account
I know, and it's not reliable in my area.
I saw people post prices 20-30 cents cheaper on the app to show up and have it be way more expensive and it would say updated in the last 30 minutes, so people go around or just post trolling.

I knew someone in RI who had good luck with it but not around here.
 
I know, and it's not reliable in my area.
I saw people post prices 20-30 cents cheaper on the app to show up and have it be way more expensive and it would say updated in the last 30 minutes, so people go around or just post trolling.

I knew someone in RI who had good luck with it but not around here.
Problem is, some people are *******sz or just stupid. They will update the price based on the discount, and not actual pump price, or as you said, just report a lower price to troll or be *******s.

Then, locally I knew one gas station that had lower prices than any other station. When you reported the lower price in the app, within 30 minutes it would be updated to a higher price. I think the station owner was going in and reporting higher prices to keep people away. They had lowered the price 10 cents a gallon cheaper than any other station during COVID to help out the locals.
 
Makes sense. How much slower does it charge for that last 20%. Half the rate? 80% of the rate?
depends on the vehicle and amount/size of the batteries, and the size of the charger. But To fully charge from low, a supercharger possibly an hour or two. On a 120v receptacle it can take many days.
 
No idea what you are trying to prove, none of those are anywhere near me, like an hour away at a minimum.

BJs gas is significantly cheaper and I use the BJs credit card so it knocks another 10 cents off the listed price
I just looked at that website you used "gasbuddy" and it only has 1 station nearby rest are blank.
Not trying to prove anything but I was trying to find the 60 to 80 cents per gallon of gas you stated in your post #37 over street prices. I've seen substantial price deltas in the past, sometimes reaching 50 cents for a few days but never as high as you stated and suggested were the normal. I was, simply curious, no need to get all defensive.
 
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Big surprise. People realize that the EV thing is smoke and mirrors, and it’s all about big tech and govt money/regulations. Value, usability, and convenience are pretty much non existent. Maybe the little EV commuter cars can be a benefit in smog infested cities where people don’t drive very far. MAYBE. However, that still has problems like crashing power grids, and lack of resources.
The government will tell you what you can drive and you “will“ like it.
That’s the future, and if you object, you’ll be or blacklisted like the CCP does…
Taken from scmp.com:
“Millions of Chinese individuals and businesses have been labelled as untrustworthy on an official blacklist banning them from any number of activities, including accessing financial markets or travelling by air or train, as the use of the government’s social credit system accelerates.

The annual blacklist is part of a broader effort to boost “trustworthiness” in Chinese society and is an extension of China’s social credit system, which is expected to give each of its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score.” (End of quoted portion of article.)

They are up to about 8.5 million blacklisted citizens already. Drop in the bucket for their population but you know people in DC are wishing they could copy that program…
 
Fire departments struggle to put out EV vehicle fires…
The quoted article available on website london.ctvnews.ca

CTV News London Reporter
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Published Dec. 19, 2023 6:13 p.m. EST

“Concerns are coming to light over how much water it takes to put out an electric vehicle (EV) fire. It comes as the federal government mandates all new vehicles to be electric by 2035.
“The technology of electric vehicles when they’re on fire is certainly changing faster than the fire service is keeping up with,” said Perth Fire Chief Bill Hunter, a firefighter educator.
Some fire services are sounding the alarm.

According to the International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, firefighters need to use up to 40 times more water to put out a fire in an EV compared to a standard gasoline car.
That’s about 40,000 gallons on average. Hunter said he’s heard reports that it has taken as much as 250,000 gallons of water to put out an EV fire, and that the vehicle can burn for days.

He said this is especially a concern for rural fire departments that don’t always have quick access to water to fight a fire.

“Having an EV fire in an area that doesn’t have fire hydrants is certainly going to be a challenge. And I think that’s why we have to look at different technologies rather than just simply pouring lots of water on the fire,” said Hunter.
He said new technologies to put out fires are starting to come on stream, such as fire blankets. “The fire blankets, which we actually do carry, they’re designed to smother a vehicle fire.”

Even if the federal government’s targets are not reached by the deadline, there will still be an increasing number of green vehicles on the road.
Advocates say whether it’s the hydro grid or fire services, the infrastructure will need to develop quickly for the new plugged-in reality.

Brendon Sweeney of the Trillium Network for Advanced Manufacturing said EV fire concerns have not yet been on his radar. He believes infrastructure deficiencies will be addressed as they emerge.

“We’ll be learning about the effect of charging infrastructure on the grid. The real-time information will be much more accurate. When it comes to servicing these vehicles, we’ll be learning about that, we’ll be learning about the supply chain, and strengths, and where the potential bottlenecks are,” said Sweeney.
In the meantime, Hunter is calling for the government to develop new regulation that addresses EV fire concerns.

“If the government is going to be mandating that all vehicles sold are going to be EV… I think the governments need to step up and say to the fire departments, ‘What can we do to assist you so that you can deal with all these extra EVs that are on the road,” said Hunter.”
End of quoted article.

A mere 250,000 gallons of water possible for an ev fire? No problem there in dry but ev happy California…🤔🙄

As usual, government wackos mandate things they dont even have a plan for. Charging infrastructure? Grid capability? FD concerns?
What can go wrong says Mayor Pete. 🙄
 
Fire departments struggle to put out EV vehicle fires…
The quoted article available on website london.ctvnews.ca

CTV News London Reporter
Follow | Contact
Published Dec. 19, 2023 6:13 p.m. EST

“Concerns are coming to light over how much water it takes to put out an electric vehicle (EV) fire. It comes as the federal government mandates all new vehicles to be electric by 2035.
“The technology of electric vehicles when they’re on fire is certainly changing faster than the fire service is keeping up with,” said Perth Fire Chief Bill Hunter, a firefighter educator.
Some fire services are sounding the alarm.

According to the International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, firefighters need to use up to 40 times more water to put out a fire in an EV compared to a standard gasoline car.
That’s about 40,000 gallons on average. Hunter said he’s heard reports that it has taken as much as 250,000 gallons of water to put out an EV fire, and that the vehicle can burn for days.

He said this is especially a concern for rural fire departments that don’t always have quick access to water to fight a fire.

“Having an EV fire in an area that doesn’t have fire hydrants is certainly going to be a challenge. And I think that’s why we have to look at different technologies rather than just simply pouring lots of water on the fire,” said Hunter.
He said new technologies to put out fires are starting to come on stream, such as fire blankets. “The fire blankets, which we actually do carry, they’re designed to smother a vehicle fire.”

Even if the federal government’s targets are not reached by the deadline, there will still be an increasing number of green vehicles on the road.
Advocates say whether it’s the hydro grid or fire services, the infrastructure will need to develop quickly for the new plugged-in reality.

Brendon Sweeney of the Trillium Network for Advanced Manufacturing said EV fire concerns have not yet been on his radar. He believes infrastructure deficiencies will be addressed as they emerge.

“We’ll be learning about the effect of charging infrastructure on the grid. The real-time information will be much more accurate. When it comes to servicing these vehicles, we’ll be learning about that, we’ll be learning about the supply chain, and strengths, and where the potential bottlenecks are,” said Sweeney.
In the meantime, Hunter is calling for the government to develop new regulation that addresses EV fire concerns.

“If the government is going to be mandating that all vehicles sold are going to be EV… I think the governments need to step up and say to the fire departments, ‘What can we do to assist you so that you can deal with all these extra EVs that are on the road,” said Hunter.”
End of quoted article.

A mere 250,000 gallons of water possible for an ev fire? No problem there in dry but ev happy California…🤔🙄

As usual, government wackos mandate things they dont even have a plan for. Charging infrastructure? Grid capability? FD concerns?
What can go wrong says Mayor Pete. 🙄

Sure EV fires are a concern but shouldn't stop innovation of vehicles even if electric. Oshkosh Truck (who owns Pierce Manufacturing that makes fire trucks and is heavy in govt contracts), is selling the Volterra all electric fire truck to departments (tested in Seattle, AZ, and here in WI). I asked Pierce Reps the same question on how to put one of these fires if their trucks were to start and all I got was "we aren't exactly sure, we never tested for that." How much water you think those would take to put out because a fire truck can never start on fire? Pierce isn't really worried about it and they have a lot of fire department people that work for them (we have several on our department that do). People want the government to not be in everything and then people do want them in things. These goofballs can't even run their own parties so last thing I want is them to have their hand in FD business, we have to deal with NFPA enough on that.
 
Innovation will keep on going and should. I’m no Luddite, heck I had a 2011 Prius for 6 years… I just see this government mandated adoption race to a technology that isn’t supported or very well thought out.

Course I don’t like California CARB dictates anyway and there’s like 17 states that go along with them. Wonder how well the landscapers and snow removal contractors are going to do with the mandated 2024 changes/ban on sale of new small engine (25 hp or less) equipment.
From website thedrive.com:
”Marc Berman, author of the legislation, recognizes that the transition to battery-powered equipment will be a hardship for some small businesses. He says that California will pledge approximately $30 million to aid commercial businesses, but given that there are around 50,000 outfits in the state that'll be affected by the change, that works out to around $600 each.

According to financial figures supplied to the Los Angeles Times by Andrew Bray, vice president of government relations for the National Association of Landscape Professionals, that simply isn't enough. A gasoline-powered commercial riding mower could cost a business anywhere from $7,000 to $11,000, while the zero-emissions equivalents often cost more than twice that.”

I was a one man landscaper/mowing contractor for 5 years. There was no way I ever could have used battery powered equipment to cut some of the acre plus waist high weedfields, much less rototill, use chainsaws and snow blowers.
I’d have to have like 15-20 of the 4 and 6 amp batteries plus be recharging off customer ac (which some would likely not allow). I suppose I could have used a small inverter generator (there weren’t any back then) but that’s using gas to recharge batteries. 🤔

Then there‘s the overall battery life expectancy. My Kohler 80 volt batteries that were 2-3 years old (once a week use only) have all failed and had to be replaced to the tune of $300 plus apiece. That’s just homeowner usage…

Don’t get me wrong, it‘s great to just install a battery and go without checking gas, oil etc. Storage upright is not possible with gas but sure saves me garage space. The blades are really thin and don’t last when you hit rocks and such and they don’t hold an edge very well either.

Battery powered torque is just not equivalent to gas. I’ve had to borrow a neighbors gas 5 hp mower to get through waist weeds in my back field which my battery mower simply could not handle. Same with weedeaters and leafblowers. You just can’t top gas for big gnarly jobs. Smelly? Yes. Louder? Yes but some jobs just have to have the extra power only gas provides.

But I’m sure Gov Newsom and Mayor Pete have an answer to all that.
 

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