Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[pensfan]

I drove a Grand Wagoneer, with the HO Hurricane yesterday. My daughter got one as a loaner. Terrible turbo lag. It takes off like any other 6, until about 25 MPH. Then it's a rocket! Towing capacity sucks too. Only 5,600 LBS. For a Vehicle larger than a Suburban, I would expect better. I'm glad I got the Hemi, before it ended.

The turbo lag is what I am afraid of. It won't be the smooth Hemi power delivery. Probably when the turbo kicks in, the gas mileage is worse than the Hemi.

 

[WXman]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

 

[silver billet]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

oh boy, now you gone and done it

 

[HSKR R/T]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

Comparing a turbo engine to a N/A engine is apples to oranges. Clearances are generally bigger on forced induction engines.

 

[vdrsnk04]

I love the Hurricane in our Grand Wagoneer. Love it so much that I’m actually considering buying the new Ram since it is getting a HO version and you don’t have to settle for the hemi anymore. To me the hemi was and always has been underpowered inefficient and noisy.

 

[lonepeak]

Posted awhile back. Can scroll the engineers discussion on turbo life, oil type, frequency, engine testing, oil change sensor reliability, etc.

Engineer Deep Dive: 3.0L Hurricane Engine - Turbo Life, Oil ...YouTube · Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk38 minutes, 57 seconds2 days ago

 

[lonepeak]

I love the Hurricane in our Grand Wagoneer. Love it so much that I’m actually considering buying the new Ram since it is getting a HO version and you don’t have to settle for the hemi anymore. To me the hemi was and always has been underpowered inefficient and noisy.

I'm assuming you have the SO in the Wagoneer? Nice to hear your opinion on it. Previous road testers have said less turbo lag in the SO but longer in the HO until about 25-30 mph. Usually when I need power as on an offramp or passing I'm already up to that speed so I'm not convinced yet that will be an issue with the HO. I'm also waiting to order Limited HO.

 

[Pikeman_66]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

here we go again. lol

 

[lonepeak]

Got this from a dealer in NE yesterday when I inquired about the Limited so looks like no new news.

We still have not heard about production for the 2025 Ram, but they did just open up the ordering for them. Custom orders don't seem to have any importance over lot ordered vehicles. Ram tends to build what they want, when they want.

 

[vdrsnk04]

I'm assuming you have the SO in the Wagoneer? Nice to hear your opinion on it. Previous road testers have said less turbo lag in the SO but longer in the HO until about 25-30 mph. Usually when I need power as on an offramp or passing I'm already up to that speed so I'm not convinced yet that will be an issue with the HO. I'm also waiting to order Limited HO.

Our Grand Wagoneer Hurricane is rated at 510hp/500tq. I don’t notice a lag in it. It’s not an NA vehicle that is immediate, but then again the hurricane will blow away the hemi. If you want to experience real lag, get in my 2022 Ram 2500 Cummins lol.

 

[Bsteiner36]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

 

[SD Rebel]

H.O. engine specs 0W40 oil. When the engineer was asked why, "It gives better bearing protection."

Funny, we've been saying that for years and nobody would listen. Guys put that watery 20 weight oil in their V8 and then wonder why it ticks and the internals don't last.

I would use the 40 on S.O. or H.O. either one if I were to buy a 2025 Ram.

Ok, not opening whole can, just lifting the lid slightly here.....

The 6.4L Hemi requires 40W, yet still has all those same problems that the 5.7L that comes with 20W. Those issues you mentioned likely isn't caused by oil weight.

The Hurricane is a completely different motor to either the 5.7L or 6.4L plus twin turbo, different specs and requirements across the board.

 

[mikeru82]

Ok, not opening whole can, just lifting the lid slightly here.....

The 6.4L Hemi requires 40W, yet still has all those same problems that the 5.7L that comes with 20W. Those issues you mentioned likely isn't caused by oil weight.

The Hurricane is a completely different motor to either the 5.7L or 6.4L plus twin turbo, different specs and requirements across the board.

Who are you trying to kid? Just own it...you ripped off top and dumped it out with that post

 

[silver billet]

Since the can is already opened: there are different causes of "tick". Many engines just have a noisy sound, and yes viscosity (among other things) can remove that tick/noise in whole or in part.

Tick that is actually lifter damage, my view is that the lifter is defective from the factory and even the best oil out there can't necessarily save it, perhaps it can lengthen the time before the lifter fails.

 

[vdrsnk04]

Maybe it was mentioned previously in this thread, idk. But I noticed that the Rambox is standard on everything above Laramie. I normally buy a limited, but I can’t stand Rambox. So that sucks you can’t deselect it!

 

[SD Rebel]

Who are you trying to kid? Just own it...you ripped off top and dumped it out with that post

Lol, I can't help myself.

 

[SD Rebel]

Since the can is already opened: there are different causes of "tick". Many engines just have a noisy sound, and yes viscosity (among other things) can remove that tick/noise in whole or in part.

Tick that is actually lifter damage, my view is that the lifter is defective from the factory and even the best oil out there can't necessarily save it, perhaps it can lengthen the time before the lifter fails.

That we certainly agree on.

 

[mikeru82]

Maybe it was mentioned previously in this thread, idk. But I noticed that the Rambox is standard on everything above Laramie. I normally buy a limited, but I can’t stand Rambox. So that sucks you can’t deselect it!

You can get the Rebel without them, but yeah, people have whined about that already

Just messing around. I'm all about getting the rambox and MFT combination, but I realize not everyone likes one or the other. It's only going to hurt Ram to not offer those trim levels without ramboxes. There doesn't seem to be many people who don't care if they have them or not. Most either love them or hate them.

 

[ChrisID]

The turbo lag is what I am afraid of. It won't be the smooth Hemi power delivery. Probably when the turbo kicks in, the gas mileage is worse than the Hemi.

I didn't experience any on the Wagoneer SO I drove, or barely noticeable.
my wife's CT4 blackwing has zero, zero, zero, like the pedal is connected to the road. Reminds me of my long gone GTO Judge Ram air III.
I am only comparing to show what modern turbo's are doing relative.
Now the HO has a lot more boost, so maybe?

 

[vdrsnk04]

You can get the Rebel without them, but yeah, people have whined about that already

Just messing around. I'm all about getting the rambox and MFT combination, but I realize not everyone likes one or the other. It's only going to hurt Ram to not offer those trim levels without ramboxes. There doesn't seem to be many people who don't care if they have them or not. Most either love them or hate them.

Honestly, I have two reasons I disliked my one truck that had them.
1. The never aligned perfectly and my OCD couldn’t handle the look of them lol.
2. They make the bed too narrow. I haul dirtbikes with the supporting gear for me and my son most weekends. Not enough space with Rambox.