Active Grill Shutter Removal

[BigBroJoe]

I found a guy on eBay that makes what he calls a emulator for actuator motor 5877r1006 which is the motor that I have for my active grill shutter I messaged the guy and he said it would work has anyone used anything like this attached is a link

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[BigBroJoe]

I cleared codes this morning still haven't taken it out for a drive yet going to drive it a day or two and if that doesn't work maybe I'll look into this guy's emulator

 

[BigBroJoe]

Did you clear the codes?

I cleared the codes took it for a drive and it came back

 

[BigBroJoe]

Anyone knows why I can't just take the motor on a delete bracket from the 4th gen and plug it in to the AGS wire on the 5th gen? they're almost the same motor

Edit: because the fifth gen doesn't recognize the fourth gen motor at all so now I know my answer to that

 

[yrralguthrie]

Did any of the people removing the active grill shutters investigate why they are there and how they help. Maybe the engine needs to be hotter in order to perform as it was built to perform.

 

[silver billet]

Did any of the people removing the active grill shutters investigate why they are there and how they help. Maybe the engine needs to be hotter in order to perform as it was built to perform.

They want the engine to run hot for emissions and MPG reasons, which I don't care about in the slightest. They need to run cooler, hot engines = wear. Combine the AGS with a 180 tstat and now we're finally getting sane temps again.

Edit: the shutters warm up the engine quicker, so if you're in the winter time then this might be an advantage in theory; however in practice I really can't tell the difference in how fast the engine heats up. If it takes a minute longer to hit 180F then I'd be shocked.

 

[HSKR R/T]

They want the engine to run hot for emissions and MPG reasons, which I don't care about in the slightest. They need to run cooler, hot engines = wear. Combine the AGS with a 180 tstat and now we're finally getting sane temps again.

Edit: the shutters warm up the engine quicker, so if you're in the winter time then this might be an advantage in theory; however in practice I really can't tell the difference in how fast the engine heats up. If it takes a minute longer to hit 180F then I'd be shocked.

They also help fuel mileage with an aero advantage. Just like the active air dam that deploys. Ever notice him how most race cars have very few openings in the front? The grill shutters smdo this by stopping airflow through radiator and creating less turbulence of the air.

The engine temp is controlled more by the thermostat and efan settings than the grill shutters

 

[BigBroJoe]

The engine temp is controlled more by the thermostat and efan settings than the grill shutters

I would believe that if my average temperature did not drop about 25° just by removing the grill shutters...and I did not change my thermostat. My truck is running at about 203°an the only time I see the temperatures go higher is when I'm parked then It'll go up to maybe 210-213

 

[HSKR R/T]

I would believe that if my average temperature did not drop about 25° just by removing the grill shutters...and I did not change my thermostat. My truck is running at about 203°an the only time I see the temperatures go higher is when I'm parked then It'll go up to maybe 210-213

Mine runs 203-207 normall temps. Only time it climbs higher is low speeds or parked. then it will climb to 225-230 until the electric fan kicks on.

 

[yrralguthrie]

So long as we're talking about what we think or want, it makes a lot more sense that the engine running at a safe hotter temperature is the better choice. Logically an engine running at 225°, is not going to be harmed. And so far as emissions and miles per gallon, that equates to efficiency and the more efficient an engine is the more reliable it's going to be. So maybe one should be concerned about emissions and miles per gallon. That engine with the lowest emissions and the most miles per gallon should be more reliable.

 

[silver billet]

So long as we're talking about what we think or want, it makes a lot more sense that the engine running at a safe hotter temperature is the better choice. Logically an engine running at 225°, is not going to be harmed. And so far as emissions and miles per gallon, that equates to efficiency and the more efficient an engine is the more reliable it's going to be. So maybe one should be concerned about emissions and miles per gallon. That engine with the lowest emissions and the most miles per gallon should be more reliable.

You do you. My truck works, and would hit 250+ towing. That is not healthy. If you use yours as a grocery getter then you probably don't need to worry about this.

 

[yrralguthrie]

I think in my example I use 225°, not 250°.

 

[silver billet]

I think in my example I use 225°, not 250°.

Yes, and if you keep your truck parked in a cool garage then you don't need to worry about this. That wasn't the argument.

 

[BigBroJoe]

Okay I'd like to update everyone the vice design bracket that they make for the EcoDiesel lower grill shutter but we don't have on the 1500 DT works perfectly for the radiator grill shutters on our trucks you take the AGS actuator you bolt their little bracket onto it, cut off a part off one louver stick it into the actuator drill through it put a bolt in there to keep it into the actuator motor. Bolt the whole kit together (I would advise to use a little bit of thread lock) and then you can mount your AGS motor and new bracket wherever you'd like. I had to clear codes in the beginning and then it came on once more so I cleared them again and after that I believe the computer learned itself and I had no issues. It's only been a day and a half but the permanent stored code went away as well. I mounted mine to the plastic radiator trim or whatever you call it probably more well-known as the beauty cover

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[yrralguthrie]

What does a garage cooled or not have to do with the shutters. For that matter what is it got to do with anything.

 

[yrralguthrie]

Without targeting anybody it's a little tiring when people who have a tough or towing truck think everybody else's truck is a grocery getter. There are a lot of people that use a pickup as a pickup and they don't drive off road and they don't tow anything and they don't need a 3/4 ton. And for that matter it's more than a little tiring for anybody with any truck to call somebody else's a grocery getter, simply because they make great grocery getters. No reason anybody should be denigrated because they like to drive a really nice vehicle to work to Sunday school or to get groceries. My dog thinks she's in dog heaven riding in her seat to go to the park to walk.

 

[yrralguthrie]

Silver Billet, too cool probably causes more harm than the temperature the engine was made for. Engines need to operate within their designed temperature.

 

[silver billet]

What does a garage cooled or not have to do with the shutters. For that matter what is it got to do with anything.

You're inserting an arbitrary value like 225 and suggesting that AGS delete is unessecsary. That's false logic, you don't know why people are removing AGS, I implied my reasons (towing and excessive heat). If your truck doesn't see those temps, because you just daily drive it or keep it in the garage, you may not be interested in the AGS.

Without targeting anybody it's a little tiring when people who have a tough or towing truck think everybody else's truck is a grocery getter. There are a lot of people that use a pickup as a pickup and they don't drive off road and they don't tow anything and they don't need a 3/4 ton. And for that matter it's more than a little tiring for anybody with any truck to call somebody else's a grocery getter, simply because they make great grocery getters. No reason anybody should be denigrated because they like to drive a really nice vehicle to work to Sunday school or to get groceries. My dog thinks she's in dog heaven riding in her seat to go to the park to walk.

Nobody is denigrating your ride. Does your truck tow, race, rock crawl, or otherwise get worked hard in any fashion? If not, then it's a grocery getter. It's a fact, but getting bothered by a fact is your choice.

Silver Billet, too cool probably causes more harm than the temperature the engine was made for. Engines need to operate within their designed temperature.

There are trims/trucks in the 5th gen Rams which don't even come with AGS in the first place. Some do, some don't. I suggest you do a little more research on this topic and a little less posturing.

 

[yrralguthrie]

A. Silver bullet, no 225 was not used in an arbitrary fashion at all, it was obviously used as a example. B. I was trying to say that any vehicle is probably better off without individual changes being made to the engine by mostly individuals who are less informed than the factory individuals. C. "Grocery getter" is a derogatory term used by people who believe that their way of defining a truck is the only way. My pickup is never off road doesn't haul a trailer doesn't haul a heavy load, but the pickup bed is very utilitarian to me it is used quite often, to haul bicycles, garden supplies, groceries, stuff I use to fence my yard, animal feed, etc,etc. And now it has more stuff in it than I could ever get in a SUV. It does "get groceries", but it's used for far more than that. One of the reasons the first pickups were built was to haul high volumes of stuff around often groceries and the like to the small stores. Pickups were not originally heavy haulers, used for off-road or to throw a trailer. Although those are certainly valid uses for pickups today.

 

[silver billet]

A. Silver bullet, no 225 was not used in an arbitrary fashion at all, it was obviously used as a example.

It's completely arbitrary. When I see 250+ towing, that's too hot for me. It doesn't matter if you feel the truck is fine at 225 when I'm concerned about it being at 250. You're focusing on 225 and suggesting AGS is not needed, I'm focusing on 250 and saying "that's too hot for me".

B. I was trying to say that any vehicle is probably better off without individual changes being made to the engine by mostly individuals who are less informed than the factory individuals.

And I'm trying to say that it doesn't matter what the "factory individuals" have done to my truck. I'm not comfortable with 250. I own the truck, I get to make that decision.

And again, remember how the factory individuals have shipped some trucks without AGS. Clearly they don't think its a required feature.

The factory individuals also say that you don't need to swap out the transmission fluid, but ZF who actually designed and built it says to change it out every 70k miles or so. Guess who I'm listening to.

C. "Grocery getter" is a derogatory term used by people who believe that their way of defining a truck is the only way. My pickup is never off road doesn't haul a trailer doesn't haul a heavy load, but the pickup bed is very utilitarian to me it is used quite often, to haul bicycles, garden supplies, groceries, stuff I use to fence my yard, animal feed, etc,etc. And now it has more stuff in it than I could ever get in a SUV. It does "get groceries", but it's used for far more than that. One of the reasons the first pickups were built was to haul high volumes of stuff around often groceries and the like to the small stores. Pickups were not originally heavy haulers, used for off-road or to throw a trailer. Although those are certainly valid uses for pickups today.

Stop focusing on "grocery getter" if its bothering you. The point of that was not to make fun of anyones ride, the point of it was to say how this AGS delete can benefit those who work their truck (me), and might not see any benefits for those who don't (you).

BTW: I consider my truck a "grocery getter" when it's not towing as well. It's my daily driver, I drive to work, I even use it to get groceries. The times I'm not towing with it, I could make do with a honda civic.

As I said, the term was not meant to be offensive, that's your choice.

Many of us call it that because in reality, it's a very accurate phrase, and everyone knows what we mean by it without having to spell out in nauseating detail what the truck is used for.