Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[Jimmy07]

I can’t speak for the Jeep line, but it wasn’t offered on Ram until the competition offered one. FWIW, I’m new to the 1/2 Ton segment, the last 1/2 Ton was a 71 Dodge A100, until I bought a used 2020 1500 last year. So forgive me if I’m wrong, but I believe Ford Trucks were the first with one.

The vehicle line is irrelevant, it’s the implementation of the technology and the type, and this is certainly nothing new for ANY vehicle manufacturer.

 

[dammitbobby]

The vehicle line is irrelevant, it’s the implementation of the technology and the type, and this is certainly nothing new for ANY vehicle manufacturer.

You have any specs for the thermostat for the SO and HO. I was reading on another thread where someone linked to a wagoneer forums apparently both the HO and SO have been having issues with the thermostat sticking and their vehicles overheating. I’m wondering if they’ve changed anything from the engines besides tuning them a little differently.

 

[RVTRKN]

The vehicle line is irrelevant, it’s the implementation of the technology and the type, and this is certainly nothing new for ANY vehicle manufacturer.

Gee , the wheel was invented by "God who knows" but we all use them now. OK, so the auto industry has had the technology, as far as I'm concerned Ford thought to advertise it first as a new gadget to help sell their trucks and to standout from the rest.
My 2019 3500 CTD HO SRW was a challenge to climb into the bed with the tailgate down, as well as getting into the cab of the truck for some of my family members, even with running boards, so I kept a portable folding step stool. I also used it to help get into the bed, so a $20.00 step stool helped me get into the bed when I needed to. It also helped in locking my 5th wheel hitch from the side of the bed when connecting the 5th wheel. I did buy used this last purchase, so if the Ram step was there then fine, but it wasn't and I wasn't going to spend $$$ to get one when I can use the portable step stool tucked away in the pocket on the passenger front seat.

 

[Jimmy07]

You have any specs for the thermostat for the SO and HO. I was reading on another thread where someone linked to a wagoneer forums apparently both the HO and SO have been having issues with the thermostat sticking and their vehicles overheating. I’m wondering if they’ve changed anything from the engines besides tuning them a little differently.

I’m not seeing any TSB’s or STAR online publications (consumer complaints) that mention anything about thermostats or cooling systems for any hurricane engine equipped vehicle.

 

[dammitbobby]

I’m not seeing any TSB’s or STAR online publications (consumer complaints) that mention anything about thermostats or cooling systems for any hurricane engine equipped vehicle.

Hurricane Twin Turbo 510 Issue - stuck thermostat

www.wagoneerfans.com

Here is the specific forums that mentions it

 

[MT755]

Gee , the wheel was invented by "God who knows" but we all use them now. OK, so the auto industry has had the technology, as far as I'm concerned Ford thought to advertise it first as a new gadget to help sell their trucks and to standout from the rest.
My 2019 3500 CTD HO SRW was a challenge to climb into the bed with the tailgate down, as well as getting into the cab of the truck for some of my family members, even with running boards, so I kept a portable folding step stool. I also used it to help get into the bed, so a $20.00 step stool helped me get into the bed when I needed to. It also helped in locking my 5th wheel hitch from the side of the bed when connecting the 5th wheel. I did buy used this last purchase, so if the Ram step was there then fine, but it wasn't and I wasn't going to spend $$$ to get one when I can use the portable step stool tucked away in the pocket on the passenger front seat.
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I have one of these too for my parent... in-laws.
I have a factor flip down step and that things awesome. Well worth the money

 

[Jimmy07]

Hurricane Twin Turbo 510 Issue - stuck thermostat

www.wagoneerfans.com

Here is the specific forums that mentions it

This is the only thing official from stellantis that has anything to do with overheating for 2022-2024 wagoneers, and this one is only for the 2022 wagoneer:

The 2022 and 2023 wagoneer SO and HO water pumps are the same part number with no revised part numbers.
The 2024 wagoneer SO and HO water pump part number is different than 2022-2023, and has been revised 5 times.
The current 2025 Ram SO and HO water pump is the same part number as the 2024 wagoneer.

 

[azzx]

Drove from PHX metro area to my house up north.
I monitored the following in low (1230ft) / high elevations (7800ft) -- ambient temp @ low elevation was 98, at high elevation was 67.
the coolant temp stayed around 210
Transmission temp at lower elevations was 187, dropped to 178 (this is a bit higher than my Hemi, when not towing)
Engine oil temp was around 220
did not pay attention to the rest!

 

[BowDown]

Drove from PHX metro area to my house up north.
I monitored the following in low (1230ft) / high elevations (7800ft) -- ambient temp @ low elevation was 98, at high elevation was 67.
the coolant emp stayed around 210
Transmission temp at lower elevations was 187, dropped to 178 (this is a bit higher than my Hemi, when not towing)
Engine oil temp was around 220
did not pay attention to the rest!

Proof that the tiny hurricanes are overworked and won't last because of low duty cycles...

 

[azzx]

I dont want to start a "debate" I am not sure if my "isolated" data with a truck that only has 700 miles so far is proof of anything.
When I get my damn trailer brake controller, then I can determine the Diff between Huracaine and Hemi when I can tow!!
* Hemi stayed cool when towing 7K trailer

 

[RVTRKN]

I dont want to start a "debate" I am not sure if my "isolated" data with a truck that only has 700 miles so far is proof of anything.
When I get my damn trailer brake controller, then I can determine the Diff between Huracaine and Hemi when I can tow!!
* Hemi stayed cool when towing 7K trailer

I'd love to see that data, 7K lbs towing with any 1/2 ton will be a challenge. Had you thought of a 2500 6.4 Hemi, seems that weight would be better served, even better a Power Wagon for where you play with your toys.

 

[dammitbobby]

Drove from PHX metro area to my house up north.
I monitored the following in low (1230ft) / high elevations (7800ft) -- ambient temp @ low elevation was 98, at high elevation was 67.
the coolant temp stayed around 210
Transmission temp at lower elevations was 187, dropped to 178 (this is a bit higher than my Hemi, when not towing)
Engine oil temp was around 220
did not pay attention to the rest!

Regardless of whether your truck has 700 miles or 70000 miles those numbers are really good. The cooling system in the truck seems to really work.

 

[azzx]

I'd love to see that data, 7K lbs towing with any 1/2 ton will be a challenge. Had you thought of a 2500 6.4 Hemi, seems that weight would be better served, even better a Power Wagon for where you play with your toys.

No data on any temp readings, I did monitor the #s during the trip. 4 trips in 3 years-
just a pic with the Hemi, 3.92 rear end
Trailer @ 3100lb
Can Am @ 3050lb
Other crap in the bed @ over 600lb
Destination: Heber AZ to Knab UT -- all 2-lane back roads
avg MPG @ 11 going and coming back

The Hemi was rated @ 11,500lb towing. So I have no idea how you have arrived at the conclusion about the towing challenge.

 

[RVTRKN]

Just because they say you can tow 11K, doesn't mean the truck won't struggle, I feel every bit of the 5K lb Pontoon on my truck, but I came from 2 each 2500's and 2ea 3500's before my 1500. My first 2500 was the 360 Magnum gasser, and though it towed well, but it ran high RPM's on 6% grades. The CTD's never flinched at what I owned and towed. I went to a 1500, because I no longer needed a truck for 22K GCW with the 5ver being sold. Besides the fuel filter, frequent trans service and high oil change costs was reason enough to get rid of the 2019 3500. I never did my own oil change because the dealer costs were reasonable, compared to the retail oil costs. My 1500 with the 3:21 diff feels every pound of the Pontoon at 5K lbs. If I were to tow the max weight that my Ram says it can tow, I'd have to have a weight distribution hitch setup for safety.

HSKR R/T you can laugh all you want, be my guest.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Just because they say you can tow 11K, doesn't mean the truck won't struggle, I feel every bit of the 5K lb Pontoon on my truck, but I came from 2 each 2500's and 2ea 3500's before my 1500. My first 2500 was the 360 Magnum gasser, and though it towed well, but it ran high RPM's on 6% grades. The CTD's never flinched at what I owned and towed. I went to a 1500, because I no longer needed a truck for 22K GCW with the 5ver being sold. Besides the fuel filter, frequent trans service and high oil change costs was reason enough to get rid of the 2019 3500. I never did my own oil change because the dealer costs were reasonable, compared to the retail oil costs. My 1500 with the 3:21 diff feels every pound of the Pontoon at 5K lbs. If I were to tow the max weight that my Ram says it can tow, I'd have to have a weight distribution hitch setup for safety.

HSKR R/T you can laugh all you want, be my guest.

I will. I have towed over 5k with my truck, and while the truck definitely felt it, it did better towing the trailer, and got better gas mileage than my dad's 3/4 ton Chevy with the 6.0 towing a lighter trailer. Had no issues getting up to speed, or maintaining speed. Used the tow/haul mode and gear limit switches to limit down shifts in the hills. I'm sure your pontoon has the aerodynamics of a brick wall behind your truck, which adds to it. Plus the 3.21 gears. I can see why you hate your truck so much.

 

[RVTRKN]

I can see why you hate your truck so much.

Now I get to laugh, I don't hate my truck, I knew towing with a 1500 would be a challenge for it, and having to know where every gas station is, would be necessary. Owners who tow at GCWR on a regular basis really should get a 2500. I don't think a couple of tows a year at GCWR is considered to be a regular basis, but with a 1500, regardless of frequency at the max tow weights, you should use a weight distribution hitch. Yes the Pontoon (Tritoon) feels like a brick wall, and yes the Hemi has the power to move it, but it does feel it.

Now that the new Hurricane is getting more and more real towing reviews, its doing better than the Hemi, not that I doubted it. My concern, and always has been ever since the rummers started, that a small I6 twin turbo producing the power needed to surpass the Hemi, will be complicated and expensive, once the warranty is up. An extended warranty is highly recommended and hopefully its a reliable engine that will give the owner years of reliability. As I posted in the past, its not that its less than or equal to the Hemi, it's the cost of ownership with a complicated engine.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Now I get to laugh, I don't hate my truck, I knew towing with a 1500 would be a challenge for it, and having to know where every gas station is, would be necessary. Owners who tow at GCWR on a regular basis really should get a 2500. I don't think a couple of tows a year at GCWR is considered to be a regular basis, but with a 1500, regardless of frequency at the max tow weights, you should use a weight distribution hitch. Yes the Pontoon (Tritoon) feels like a brick wall, and yes the Hemi has the power to move it, but it does feel it.

My comments about you hating your truck were made in jest because all you have done lately is complain about towing with it and trying to make it sound like a 1500 isn't capable of doing much more than taking your lawnmower to your neighbors house.

Now that the new Hurricane is getting more and more real towing reviews, its doing better than the Hemi, not that I doubted it. My concern, and always has been ever since the rummers started, that a small I6 twin turbo producing the power needed to surpass the Hemi, will be complicated and expensive, once the warranty is up. An extended warranty is highly recommended and hopefully its a reliable engine that will give the owner years of reliability. As I posted in the past, its not that its less than or equal to the Hemi, it's the cost of ownership with a complicated engine.

How is it complicated? Just because it's beyond your capabilities doesn't make it complicated. Turbo engines have been used for decades. There is no new ground brewing technology or processes being used on this engine. As far as cost of ownership, you don't know what the cost of ownership is to even make that prediction.

 

[WXman]

As long as it can get there. Tighter clearances negate benefit of high viscosity on modern engines, if the clearances are too tight for the oil to get there

You must have missed the part about the Hemi being 21 years old. The clearances were never "tightened" and it's not a modern engine....which is why it's now gone due to emissions requirements it could not meet. I still think a better "buffer" (higher viscosity) for the old fashioned cam lobes is better. Just my experience with it.

5W30/40 is so much better for the 5.7L.

 

[HSKR R/T]

You must have missed the part about the Hemi being 21 years old. The clearances were never "tightened" and it's not a modern engine....which is why it's now gone due to emissions requirements it could not meet. I still think a better "buffer" (higher viscosity) for the old fashioned cam lobes is better. Just my experience with it.

5W30/40 is so much better for the 5.7L.

Nope, didn't miss anything. You must have missed where there was lifter issues due to oiling problems. Lifter issues, that aren't as common on the newer engines that call for lower viscosity oils.

 

[RVTRKN]

You must have missed the part about the Hemi being 21 years old. The clearances were never "tightened" and it's not a modern engine....which is why it's now gone due to emissions requirements it could not meet. I still think a better "buffer" (higher viscosity) for the old fashioned cam lobes is better. Just my experience with it.

5W30/40 is so much better for the 5.7L.

I'm with you, however I have lifetime power train warranty and using a heavier viscosity oil might give them reason to deny claim.