Key Left Vehicle Feature (Three Horn Chirp)

[Crazy Dane]

I should have added @RamCares but I don't think they do.

 

[GMetal]

Not if they yank the horn cable from outside the truck.

A true relay attack copies the key fob temporarily. The criminal can then start and drive off in the stolen vehicle. Provided they put on the seatbelt and close the door of course.

 

[Jimmy07]

A true relay attack copies the key fob temporarily. The criminal can then start and drive off in the stolen vehicle. Provided they put on the seatbelt and close the door of course.

That situation wouldn’t cause the three horn honk anyway.
For a person with a valid fob to mimic how a relay attack works, here would be the circumstances (and it has to be a truck with passive entry)(start by having a window rolled down):
- walk up to locked door with fob, grab the handle, door unlocks, open door.
- throw the fob about 10-15 feet away from the truck, get in and shut the door.
- have someone bring you the fob and give it to you through the open window.
- start the truck, and throw the fob out the window.
- put in gear and drive off.
None of those circumstances would trigger the three horn honk.

 

[GMetal]

That situation wouldn’t cause the three horn honk anyway.
For a person with a valid fob to mimic how a relay attack works, here would be the circumstances (and it has to be a truck with passive entry)(start by having a window rolled down):
- walk up to locked door with fob, grab the handle, door unlocks, open door.
- throw the fob about 10-15 feet away from the truck, get in and shut the door.
- have someone bring you the fob and give it to you through the open window.
- start the truck, and throw the fob out the window.
- put in gear and drive off.
None of those circumstances would trigger the three horn honk.

hmm not sure if thats right from what Ive seen. Relay copies fob inside house temporarily. There are a few different methods. They use their "copied" fob to send signal to truck to open doors. They then start the car with the repeated frequency from the antennae repeating the fob RFID inside the house. They close the door put on a seatbelt and drive off. I willl try to find some security footage of this. you can hear the truck beep three times as they drive off because the guy with the repeater is no longer repeating the fob RFID info to the vehicle.

this one no horn beep

This one honks 3 times.

My point Im trying to make is a MANUFACTURER can make a car unable to move if you dont have the door closed, or seat belt on, but if there is no key fob it can be driven. It should not move without a key fob present. Period.

 

[DEG]

It's just an annoyance that serves no value to me. I know my key fob is in my pocket and I know when I have left the vehicle. I can also hear the engine running when I step outside. I don't see the point of the horn honking unless it's to ensure the neighbors are also awake when I need to momentarily get out of the truck before leaving the house.

However a bigger concern is that the vehicle can be driven away with no keyfob in the vehicle. Instead of honking when the keyfob has left the vehicle with the engine running; have it lock the transmission into park.

 

[Rock Crawler]

It's just an annoyance that serves no value to me. I know my key fob is in my pocket and I know when I have left the vehicle. I can also hear the engine running when I step outside. I don't see the point of the horn honking unless it's to ensure the neighbors are also awake when I need to momentarily get out of the truck before leaving the house.

However a bigger concern is that the vehicle can be driven away with no keyfob in the vehicle. Instead of honking when the keyfob has left the vehicle with the engine running; have it lock the transmission into park.

Because, according to Stellantis, you are a bumbling idiot who needs their protection.

 

[HSKR R/T]

It's just an annoyance that serves no value to me. I know my key fob is in my pocket and I know when I have left the vehicle. I can also hear the engine running when I step outside. I don't see the point of the horn honking unless it's to ensure the neighbors are also awake when I need to momentarily get out of the truck before leaving the house.

However a bigger concern is that the vehicle can be driven away with no keyfob in the vehicle. Instead of honking when the keyfob has left the vehicle with the engine running; have it lock the transmission into park.

RAM isn't the only manufacturer that has that. My wife's 2020 Traverse does the same thing. It even honks the horn if I get out, with vehicle shut off, And my wife is still in the car with her keyfob. Happens when pumping gas and is more of an annoyance to me

 

[Idahoktm]

It's just an annoyance that serves no value to me. I know my key fob is in my pocket and I know when I have left the vehicle. I can also hear the engine running when I step outside. I don't see the point of the horn honking unless it's to ensure the neighbors are also awake when I need to momentarily get out of the truck before leaving the house.

However a bigger concern is that the vehicle can be driven away with no keyfob in the vehicle. Instead of honking when the keyfob has left the vehicle with the engine running; have it lock the transmission into park.

It's not designed to be a value to you. Its purpose is to give morons a warning if they pull into their garage, get out of their truck with the engine running, closing the door, and go into their house. It will also warn, said moron, from leaving their truck running in the driveway. If you want to step out of your truck with the engine running and you don't want it to honk, leave the key in the console or don't close the door. I do it every time I stop at my mailbox.

I agree 100%.

 

[Cbty2050]

It's not designed to be a value to you. Its purpose is to give morons a warning if they pull into their garage, get out of their truck with the engine running, closing the door, and go into their house. It will also warn, said moron, from leaving their truck running in the driveway. If you want to step out of your truck with the engine running and you don't want it to honk, leave the key in the console or don't close the door. I do it every time I stop at my mailbox.

I agree 100%.

I'm glad we have all came to the conclusion only morons do dumb things. There are so many perfect people on here

 

[Rock Crawler]

The point is, we should be able to disable it if we want. This crap should not be forced on us.

 

[Rock Crawler]

If you want to step out of your truck with the engine running and you don't want it to honk, leave the key in the console or don't close the door. I do it every time I stop at my mailbox.

Might be relatively safe to do at your mailbox, but not so smart when going into a convenience store. Leaving the key in the truck with it running and the doors unlocked or doors open pretty much guarantees the truck not being there when I come back.

 

[Rock Crawler]

I'm glad we have all came to the conclusion only morons do dumb things. There are so many perfect people on here

I‘m in my 50’s, and in over 35 years of driving have NEVER accidentally left a vehicle running……..not once. If someone feels they need saving, then by all means, activate all the “save me” features. It just boggles my mind that Stellantis allows us to disable a lot of these features, but not this one.

 

[Trippi]

It's not designed to be a value to you. Its purpose is to give morons a warning if they pull into their garage, get out of their truck with the engine running, closing the door, and go into their house. It will also warn, said moron, from leaving their truck running in the driveway. If you want to step out of your truck with the engine running and you don't want it to honk, leave the key in the console or don't close the door. I do it every time I stop at my mailbox.

I agree 100%.

who is actually getting out of their vehicle and forgetting it is running and going about their day? And if you're going in the store with your vehicle running that's the same russian roulette from the 70s...good luck and hope for the best.

 

[Eighty]

who is actually getting out of their vehicle and forgetting it is running and going about their day? And if you're going in the store with your vehicle running that's the same russian roulette from the 70s...good luck and hope for the best.

A week ago I parked in a downtown parking garage. There was a black Cadillac Escalade nearby, parked with its engine running. I noticed it and thought, “make sure you pull your Ravelco plug - this is a bit sketch”. Went to a 2-1/2 hour meeting and came back to my truck. Same Escalade there, engine still running. I walked over to it and knocked on the window. Nobody there. Some dumbass parked his car and it sat there running all day.
So yes, it happens. There are fools all around us.

 

[Idahoktm]

Might be relatively safe to do at your mailbox, but not so smart when going into a convenience store. Leaving the key in the truck with it running and the doors unlocked or doors open pretty much guarantees the truck not being there when I come back.

Yep. If you leave your truck running at a convenience store, you are likely a moron or you want your truck stolen.

 

[Darksteel165]

A week ago I parked in a downtown parking garage. There was a black Cadillac Escalade nearby, parked with its engine running. I noticed it and thought, “make sure you pull your Ravelco plug - this is a bit sketch”. Went to a 2-1/2 hour meeting and came back to my truck. Same Escalade there, engine still running. I walked over to it and knocked on the window. Nobody there. Some dumbass parked his car and it sat there running all day.
So yes, it happens. There are fools all around us.

I'm just surprised it had any gas left after running for that long idle.

 

[Eighty]

I'm just surprised it had any gas left after running for that long idle.

Well, it’s entirely possible that it was the Secret Service, and they swapped out vehicles while surveilling me. I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

 

[Darksteel165]

Well, it’s entirely possible that it was the Secret Service, and they swapped out vehicles while surveilling me. I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

Maybe it was a bait vehicle for car jackers?

 

[DEG]

The point is, we should be able to disable it if we want. This crap should not be forced on us.

I agree 100%.

However, there seems to be a growing trend in this country that people are not accountable for their own actions if their actions result in negative consequences. If the outcome of their actions is negative it's always the fault of some corporation, rich guy or other person so they sue them and often win a huge payday.

If someone jumps out of their running vehicle without putting it in park and their vehicle runs over them it must be the fault of the "rich" manufacture for not predicting the irresponsible actions. As a result you have no choice but to put up with a vehicle that slams into park if you open a door while moving slowly just to ensure your tire is clear of an obstacle.

Today, it seems people are only responsible for their actions if the outcome is positive.

 

[Dewey]

I agree 100%.

However, there seems to be a growing trend in this country that people are not accountable for their own actions if their actions result in negative consequences. If the outcome of their actions is negative it's always the fault of some corporation, rich guy or other person so they sue them and often win a huge payday.

If someone jumps out of their running vehicle without putting it in park and their vehicle runs over them it must be the fault of the "rich" manufacture for not predicting the irresponsible actions. As a result you have no choice but to put up with a vehicle that slams into park if you open a door while moving slowly just to ensure your tire is clear of an obstacle.

Today, it seems people are only responsible for their actions if the outcome is positive.

Yep