Key Left Vehicle Feature (Three Horn Chirp)

[Darksteel165]

AWD, by itself, does not reduce any power to the wheels unless combined with electronic traction control/stability control system. The transfer case can't tell the PCM to reduce power. And LSD isnt traction control in the same sense as the electronic traction control systems being discussed. And in the right conditions, with an inexperienced driver, LSD will cause a person to lose control easier. LSD isn't a safety feature, it's to help get power to the wheels to prevent one wheel spin. Once again, you are stretching trying to connect AWD and LSD to modern safety nannies.

So you say LSD helps prevent a 1 where spin resulting in you losing... traction?
Also you seem to misunderstand AWD. By design it does reduce power to wheels and transfers that power between front and back to hold traction. If a system is a 50/50 split it's not awd, it's 4wd.

Im not stretching anyone to connect AWD and LSD to "traction control" they are forms of traction control by definition.
Just traction control devices that you don't have a problem with and you don't consider are for "safety nannies".
Not everything that is considered safety control are for people who nannies. Have you ever tried to drive summer tires on snow? It's basicly not possible. Tires are a traction control device also, there are different flavors you can buy. No one forces you to use studded snow tires in the winter but they exist. If you live somewhere that is always covered in massive amounts of snow and ice you would need a winter tire, and possibly studs. Does that make that person a safety nanny too?

There are safety nannies that exist, but blanket statements saying modern technology and traction control is only for dumb people or safety nannies is just incorrect. Some of it sure, but not a blanket statement like that. SOME are improvements for existing technology that would of existed originally if the technology made it possible years ago.

 

[Darksteel165]

So I wonder how many years until Ram allows people to turn off the 3 honks based on this survey?
I'm betting my2028

 

[6of36]

What if they started requiring breathalyzers in all vehicles. Punish all for the actions of a few. It just doesn’t make sense that it cannot be turned off.

Breathalyzers wouldn't bother me, other than the cost it would add. It's not a bad idea.

 

[HSKR R/T]

So you say LSD helps prevent a 1 where spin resulting in you losing... traction?
Also you seem to misunderstand AWD. By design it does reduce power to wheels and transfers that power between front and back to hold traction. If a system is a 50/50 split it's not awd, it's 4wd.

Im not stretching anyone to connect AWD and LSD to "traction control" they are forms of traction control by definition.
Just traction control devices that you don't have a problem with and you don't consider are for "safety nannies".
Not everything that is considered safety control are for people who nannies. Have you ever tried to drive summer tires on snow? It's basicly not possible. Tires are a traction control device also, there are different flavors you can buy. No one forces you to use studded snow tires in the winter but they exist. If you live somewhere that is always covered in massive amounts of snow and ice you would need a winter tire, and possibly studs. Does that make that person a safety nanny too?

There are safety nannies that exist, but blanket statements saying modern technology and traction control is only for dumb people or safety nannies is just incorrect. Some of it sure, but not a blanket statement like that. SOME are improvements for existing technology that would of existed originally if the technology made it possible years ago.

Still stretching trying to connect AWD and LSD to being safety devices. AWD does not "reduce" power, it only transfers the available power to different wheels through mechanical clutches. The electronic traction and stability control systems are for safety to help keep people out of trouble who can't control their vehicles. It does reduce engine power and even applies brakes to help prevent losing control.

What you consider improvements, others consider annoyances because it takes a lot of the control away from driver. And at times prevents an experience driver from performing maneuvers, they have the ability to perform, to stay out of trouble. They also reduce the amount of skill needed to drive a vehicle safely because the driver learns to rely on the computer to save their ****.

 

[deanno33]

Never could think of the reason behind this (3-beep when leaving truck running and key fob in pocket)? Maybe I'm missing the point.

If the truck is running and the fob is in my pocket...why honk at all? I mean seriously what's the reason...can't be stolen if the fob is in my pocket. Can't lock the fob in truck, since it's in my pocket. Like literally what's the reason.

Now, if the truck is running and the fob is in the truck (and I get out) it doesn't beep! Someone could actually steal it at that point!

What am I missing!

PS - I HATE the beeping

 

[Darksteel165]

Still stretching trying to connect AWD and LSD to being safety devices. AWD does not "reduce" power, it only transfers the available power to different wheels through mechanical clutches. The electronic traction and stability control systems are for safety to help keep people out of trouble who can't control their vehicles. It does reduce engine power and even applies brakes to help prevent losing control.

What you consider improvements, others consider annoyances because it takes a lot of the control away from driver. And at times prevents an experience driver from performing maneuvers, they have the ability to perform, to stay out of trouble. They also reduce the amount of skill needed to drive a vehicle safely because the driver learns to rely on the computer to save their ****.

You are using terms like "traction control" and "safety devices" which can be applied to almost any thing in a car.

The side view mirror is a "safety device"
Your windshield wipers are another safety device, you don't see me taking my wipers off my truckand getting out to wipe snow\rain off my windshield during a storm while driving.
I could also stretch it and say auto-defrosting windshield wipers (heats the glass under where the wiper sits) is also a safety feature because it reduces the chance of wipers getting frozen to the glass preventing them from being used. This is relativity new technology and before people would be forced to use their front defroster and a great example of building on an existing feature which technically is optional and very easily disabled (can just disconnect it, pull a fuse, etc).
AWD is a form of "traction control" as it will move load between tires when detecting slipping "controlling" your traction.

Yes some people are getting used to new technology that makes this "easier" and dumbed down but not all technology is for "safety nannies" as you would say.
Some are just improvements upon existing technology, that might provide additional safety as a byproduct of being a better or more complete solution.

I think we are just going to need to agree to disagree at this point.
At least I am.

 

[Darksteel165]

Never could think of the reason behind this (3-beep when leaving truck running and key fob in pocket)? Maybe I'm missing the point.

If the truck is running and the fob is in my pocket...why honk at all? I mean seriously what's the reason...can't be stolen if the fob is in my pocket. Can't lock the fob in truck, since it's in my pocket. Like literally what's the reason.

Now, if the truck is running and the fob is in the truck (and I get out) it doesn't beep! Someone could actually steal it at that point!

What am I missing!

PS - I HATE the beeping

They don't care if it gets stolen, they just made another truck sale.
Only reason I could think of is forgetting to turn your truck off like if you have Alzheimer's or something lol.

 

[WXman]

Never could think of the reason behind this (3-beep when leaving truck running and key fob in pocket)? Maybe I'm missing the point.

If the truck is running and the fob is in my pocket...why honk at all? I mean seriously what's the reason...can't be stolen if the fob is in my pocket. Can't lock the fob in truck, since it's in my pocket. Like literally what's the reason.

Now, if the truck is running and the fob is in the truck (and I get out) it doesn't beep! Someone could actually steal it at that point!

What am I missing!

PS - I HATE the beeping

See post #81 and 84.

 

[6of36]

Never could think of the reason behind this (3-beep when leaving truck running and key fob in pocket)? Maybe I'm missing the point.

If the truck is running and the fob is in my pocket...why honk at all? I mean seriously what's the reason...can't be stolen if the fob is in my pocket. Can't lock the fob in truck, since it's in my pocket. Like literally what's the reason.

Now, if the truck is running and the fob is in the truck (and I get out) it doesn't beep! Someone could actually steal it at that point!

What am I missing!

PS - I HATE the beeping

You don't need the fob to drive the truck. It could very easily be driven away.

 

[HSKR R/T]

You are using terms like "traction control" and "safety devices" which can be applied to almost any thing in a car.

The side view mirror is a "safety device"
Your windshield wipers are another safety device, you don't see me taking my wipers off my truckand getting out to wipe snow\rain off my windshield during a storm while driving.
I could also stretch it and say auto-defrosting windshield wipers (heats the glass under where the wiper sits) is also a safety feature because it reduces the chance of wipers getting frozen to the glass preventing them from being used. This is relativity new technology and before people would be forced to use their front defroster and a great example of building on an existing feature which technically is optional and very easily disabled (can just disconnect it, pull a fuse, etc).
AWD is a form of "traction control" as it will move load between tires when detecting slipping "controlling" your traction.

Yes some people are getting used to new technology that makes this "easier" and dumbed down but not all technology is for "safety nannies" as you would say.
Some are just improvements upon existing technology, that might provide additional safety as a byproduct of being a better or more complete solution.

I think we are just going to need to agree to disagree at this point.
At least I am.

When you stop changing your argument after being proven wrong, then we can agree to disagree.

 

[Trippi]

Don't need to buckle my seat belt.
No seatbelts in school busses still.
ABS can be bypassed in most cars


I don't get the comparison.

seatbelt 'law' is a money grab and benefits the insurance company. zero correlation to NOT being in accident and being forced to wear a seatbelt every day. we all survived the 70s

 

[Eighty]

seatbelt 'law' is a money grab and benefits the insurance company. zero correlation to NOT being in accident and being forced to wear a seatbelt every day. we all survived the 70s

Well there are a lot of dead people from the 70's that aren't participating in this discussion. I can't believe that there are still people who think seat belts are a bad idea.

 

[Trippi]

Well there are a lot of dead people from the 70's that aren't participating in this discussion. I can't believe that there are still people who think seat belts are a bad idea.

nobody said they are a bad idea - they have been in vehicles for a long time. mandating they be worn as law is a bad idea.

 

[31RamIt]

nobody said they are a bad idea - they have been in vehicles for a long time. mandating they be worn as law is a bad idea.

Please, explain why.

 

[djevox]

Well there are a lot of dead people from the 70's that aren't participating in this discussion. I can't believe that there are still people who think seat belts are a bad idea.

Don’t forget about these. I saw what looked like a finger bone in one at a junkyard when I was in my mid-teens.

 

[hogger]

No one is forcing ram to put in a breathalyzer.

Not yet. But in a few years... https://www.npr.org/2022/09/20/1124171320/autos-drunk-driving-blood-alcohol-system-ntsb

 

[Dewey]

How did we get here from a 3 horn chirp?

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

So...can I turn this off yet or what?

It gets pretty annoying when I'm hitching up or disconnecting at a campsite and my horn starts beeping.

 

[Cbty2050]

When you stop changing your argument after being proven wrong, then we can agree to disagree.

I can confirm @Darksteel165 will not admit when wrong. I have been waiting for his "battery in the radio" to be confirmed by someone other than himself.

How did we get here from a 3 horn chirp?

I know how.... I am here to add fuel to the fire.

 

[Darksteel165]

As mentioned, pretty much every safety nanny in modern vehicles is there because of a few.

It's not for nanny's, it's because the average age new car buyer is 53 years old. Old people like those safety features (I know not everyone does).
Yes at 53 years old you are old, not elderly but old.

When you stop changing your argument after being proven wrong, then we can agree to disagree.

I never changed what I was saying and proven wrong about features? I quoted above what started this.

You called every "features" a "safety nanny"

I said not all features are for [safety] nanny's and then listed how lots of safety features are not just for safety nanny's like side view mirrors, awd, etc.

But whatever.