Why so much hate for MDS and auto stop/start?

[Fuzznutz]

I don’t see this as a negative. Plenty of Chevy 350’s pulled boats and campers all over this country for 40years. You don’t need a Cummins or Duramax to tow. Im talking trucks, station wagons and sedans towing boats and Airstreams.

I don't either. I actually loved/love both motors

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[Fuzznutz]

Its not, I don't even need to look it up, I'm a MOPAR guy, LA, B, RB and HEMI fan.
Other than having 8 cylinder bores, using a crank, rods, pistons , cylinder heads, intake manifold and burning fuel, there's nothing in common with GM's 5.7 other than displacement which isn't even accurate. The Gen 3 HEMI (actually 345 CI not 350 as the 70-90's GM 5.7 and the GM LS1 and 6 arent 350 ci either, they are 346 ci.) is a clean sheet of paper design, from is deep skirted 6 bolt mains the the hemispherical heads.

GM didnt license Chrysler or Toyota to use any variation of their block design, if you look at a GM small block and a Gen 3 HEMI you'd see they aren't even close in appearance

GM 350 block

Gen 3 HEMI block

This is great! Can't wait to show the guy I work with lol. Thanks!

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[IvoryHemi]

Toyota’s 5.7L is DOHC

 

[jth877]

I think many of the posters nailed it. I don't care about MDS. It works seamlessly. Start/stop annoys the hell out of me on my wife's car. We always turn it off. The point is that it's all more cost for virtually nothing. It's just another regulation that makes no difference.

BTW my 2017 with the same engine/trans/gears got noticeably better mileage. BUT it's a large truck. Who cares about saving 0.2mpg from these mandated add ons? If you worry about that, then you shouldn't have bought a 7000lb V8 powered monster.

 

[mmcbeat]

My previous vehicle was a 2019 Jeep Wrangler with the 3.6 V6 (pretty sure this is the same as the base engine in the Ram 1500). Anyhow, the past year I didn’t drive near as much as normal because of covid. My battery couldn’t keep up with my driving needs. A big factor was ESS. The Jeep had two batteries, one for the starter and one for everything else. I’m really enjoying the fairly simple one battery, no ESS on my Ram. Should I ever have battery issues I think I can pull into a Pep Boys and purchase a premium battery and swap it out in the parking lot. Life is good.

 

[vincentw56]

My previous vehicle was a 2019 Jeep Wrangler with the 3.6 V6 (pretty sure this is the same as the base engine in the Ram 1500). Anyhow, the past year I didn’t drive near as much as normal because of covid. My battery couldn’t keep up with my driving needs. A big factor was ESS. The Jeep had two batteries, one for the starter and one for everything else. I’m really enjoying the fairly simple one battery, no ESS on my Ram. Should I ever have battery issues I think I can pull into a Pep Boys and purchase a premium battery and swap it out in the parking lot. Life is good.

All Rams have a normal battery. The eTorque has another 48 volt battery, but even if the eTorque battery goes out, it will still drive. At least that is what the Ram engineer has said.

2020 Bighorn Night Edition, 5.7 Hemi w/eTorque

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

Dude, every other thread on this forum has some inaccurate or blatantly false statement about MDS or eTorque to the effect of "it doesn't do anything".

You can sum up forum members here in one of two camps. Either
"I bought this truck because it's comfortable and advanced - I like not guzzling gas"
Or
"I insist on having a big V8 in 'mah truuck, and I want it to be 8 cylinders all the time so I can think about mah big V8" And they will brush off advancements like eTorque and MDS as worthless EPA gub'ment riff raff.. with zero actual facts or math, ignoring actual science until the day they die.

I just don't get how that crowd isn't driving a Toyota, personally - if you want a reliable 5.7L that guzzles gas, and a truck that will hold up over decades.. that's pretty much Toyota's current offering in a nutshell.

Dude, like totally! Your insight is soooo on top of it. Like we should meet up at Starbucks and we can discuss our next Tesla purchase over some avocado toast and Chai tea. Snap!

 

[CMil527]

Been disabling MDS on my last 3 vehicles in one way or another, simply not a fan and shopped multiple dealers for months avoiding a etorque vehicle as I'm not a fan of stop/start systems...too each his/her own!

 

[Ramjack]

All Rams have a normal battery. The eTorque has another 48 volt battery, but even if the eTorque battery goes out, it will still drive. At least that is what the Ram engineer has said.

2020 Bighorn Night Edition, 5.7 Hemi w/eTorque

What Ram engineer? Is there a video link you can post? I'm very curious about this. If the 48V battery is dead, the vehicle cannot restart from stop/start. But maybe start/stop turns off automatically if the 48V battery gets too low? (That would be cool.)

 

[Ramjack]

Dude, like totally! Your insight is soooo on top of it. Like we should meet up at Starbucks and we can discuss our next Tesla purchase over some avocado toast and Chai tea. Snap!

"Brah, are those Calvin Klein?" (LOL, I love it.)

 

[NorthStar]

Damn…read the title and thought it would interesting to understand opinions of guys who hate MDS and/or auto start/stop.

As I read through thus I find it’s become a sausage waving contest for guys to see who has the biggest. At my age I don’t even stand a chance of measuring up against guys with user names like FuzzNutz, Ramjack and Bowdown! I’m out of this discussion if ToMyKnees or DragginonDaGround joins in this spirited discussion!

 

[Scram1500]

Two guys are taking a leak off a bridge into a river. Trying to one up each other, one says "damn, this water is cold". The other replies "yeah, deep too"

 

[Ramgoose]

Dude, like totally! Your insight is soooo on top of it. Like we should meet up at Starbucks and we can discuss our next Tesla purchase over some avocado toast and Chai tea. Snap!

 

[mikeru82]

Start stop was meant for use in heavily populated areas like city driving, it would have zero benefit outside those environments.

Thanks for summarizing what you quoted me as saying.

 

[vincentw56]

What Ram engineer? Is there a video link you can post? I'm very curious about this. If the 48V battery is dead, the vehicle cannot restart from stop/start. But maybe start/stop turns off automatically if the 48V battery gets too low? (That would be cool.)

I'll have to see if I can find the link. There is a video on YouTube where he is riding with someone explaining all the advantages of the eTorque system. But, he does another interview where is answers more questions.

2020 Bighorn Night Edition, 5.7 Hemi w/eTorque

 

[Fuzznutz]

Damn…read the title and thought it would interesting to understand opinions of guys who hate MDS and/or auto start/stop.

As I read through thus I find it’s become a sausage waving contest for guys to see who has the biggest. At my age I don’t even stand a chance of measuring up against guys with user names like FuzzNutz, Ramjack and Bowdown! I’m out of this discussion if ToMyKnees or DragginonDaGround joins in this spirited discussion!

Ha I've learned 2 things in this discussion, maybe 3 now. I learned I don't have eTorque, and my coworker was wrong about Chrysler getting the 5.7 block from gm. Now I learned maybe I need to change my username because I've never won a big peepee contest, but yet somehow you threw me into one I don't think I belong in.

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[Drewster]

Dude, like totally! Your insight is soooo on top of it. Like we should meet up at Starbucks and we can discuss our next Tesla purchase over some avocado toast and Chai tea. Snap!

Sounds great! They might make you put a shirt on under the overalls, though

 

[Ramgoose]

Sounds great! They might make you put a shirt on under the overalls, though

 

[Ramjack]

I'll have to see if I can find the link. There is a video on YouTube where he is riding with someone explaining all the advantages of the eTorque system. But, he does another interview where is answers more questions.

2020 Bighorn Night Edition, 5.7 Hemi w/eTorque

Yes, I watched this video last week sometime. It's the best I've seen on the eTorque system. I learned a lot.

 

[Ramjack]

Sounds great! They might make you put a shirt on under the overalls, though

Just go on keep thinking that you're a superior class of human being.