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[SnowBlaZR2]

Valid point. However, USSS has overall responsibility for ensuring every layer of security.

Sure, but that obviuosly doesn't fall solely to these two guys. That's my only point there.

CS team may have a primary AO further out, but if they're fixated on one arear, they're dropping the ball.

I don't see anything to indicate that this is what happened.

 

[irishwake63]

I worked with the SS in the 80s when I was in the K9 team when Reagan came to Mayport Naval Station for the USS Stark service and those guys had every and I mean every possible area where a shooter could be locked down not to mention they were all about being professional I was cracking jokes and they didn't even smirk like they were robots and I cannot for the life of me see how this huge hole in security was left open its either gross incompetence or deliberate or they just are not the same caliber that they were back then. The rhetoric has to stop from Biden to the Media, you dont like him just dont vote for him its pretty simple he will do just fine without your vote.

 

[theblet]

I worked with the SS in the 80s when I was in the K9 team when Reagan came to Mayport Naval Station for the USS Stark service and those guys had every and I mean every possible area where a shooter could be locked down not to mention they were all about being professional I was cracking jokes and they didn't even smirk like they were robots and I cannot for the life of me see how this huge hole in security was left open its either gross incompetence or deliberate or they just are not the same caliber that they were back then. The rhetoric has to stop from Biden to the Media, you dont like him just dont vote for him its pretty simple he will do just fine without your vote.

Thats what i would think. Cover every possible area of concern

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

I worked with the SS in the 80s when I was in the K9 team when Reagan came to Mayport Naval Station for the USS Stark service and those guys had every and I mean every possible area where a shooter could be locked down not to mention they were all about being professional I was cracking jokes and they didn't even smirk like they were robots and I cannot for the life of me see how this huge hole in security was left open its either gross incompetence or deliberate or they just are not the same caliber that they were back then. The rhetoric has to stop from Biden to the Media, you dont like him just dont vote for him its pretty simple he will do just fine without your vote.

 

[irishwake63]

on the move is one thing but a stage setting is another

 

[irishwake63]

that is a blunder as well but with todays technology there is literally no excuse

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

on the move is one thing but a stage setting is another

Different challenges, sure, but I'd say there are some parallels in the failures of each event.

that is a blunder as well but with todays technology there is literally no excuse

What technology? The dude shouldn't have made it to the roof, technology or not.

 

[theblet]

The dude shouldn't have made it to the roof, technology or not.

Exactly

 

[irishwake63]

Different challenges, sure, but I'd say there are some parallels in the failures of each event.

What technology? The dude shouldn't have made it to the roof, technology or not.

the date can be read off a penny from space, we have facial recognition in a split second, communication is better than then as well and all the bldgs were covered except that one makes it questionable. Before a event like this one every possible scenario is ran and every possible shooting position is looked at technology is used and planned better than a route. I agree he should not have made it thru and onto the roof and I guarantee that someone will hang for this and should

 

[irishwake63]

I mean if they were that thorough on a military installation you would think it would even be more thorough in a high access area

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

the date can be read off a penny from space, we have facial recognition in a split second, communication is better than then as well

What do either of those things have to do with anything? They don't need satellite imagery to see the big *** building 150 yards away from the stage, and they don't need comms any more sophisticated than what they had in the 80s to give the team a heads up.

Before a event like this one every possible scenario is ran and every possible shooting position is looked at technology is used and planned better than a route.

They had the ability to plan in the 80s. The only takeaway here is that SS had a failure protecting a sitting president in the 80s, contrary to your first point.

I agree he should not have made it thru and onto the roof and I guarantee that someone will hang for this and should

Correct. All the technology in the world won't get around people doing what people do.

 

[Eighty]

and I guarantee that someone will hang for this and should

That may have been a figure of speech, but do not use language like that again. At least, not on this forum.

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

I mean if they were that thorough on a military installation

What do you mean?

 

[DEG]

OK.
So, you think if YOU were on the roof scanning the shooters roof (as security obviously were from recorded video) you don’t think YOU could have identified and killed the shooter before he got a shot off?

There is no way to know how long the shooter was exposed to the secret service or how much time they spent scanning that particular roof. It's not logical to assume the agents who killed the shooter were only responsible for monitoring that roof alone. If that's the case they would have put them on that roof.

It seems some are ignorantly assuming they could have done something with no clue of the details.

 

[irishwake63]

That may have been a figure of speech, but do not use language like that again. At least, not on this forum.

of course it was a figure of speech lol

 

[irishwake63]

What do you mean?

well a military installation is a little more secure than a high school football field

 

[irishwake63]

What do either of those things have to do with anything? They don't need satellite imagery to see the big *** building 150 yards away from the stage, and they don't need comms any more sophisticated than what they had in the 80s to give the team a heads up.

They had the ability to plan in the 80s. The only takeaway here is that SS had a failure protecting a sitting president in the 80s, contrary to your first point.

Correct. All the technology in the world won't get around people doing what people do.

I am just saying with all the technology it makes it far easier today than back in the 80s to secure an area geeze

 

[irishwake63]

Im not trying to argue the point that the shooter should not have been there and either malice or incompetence caused it just saying there really is no excuse for it today with better technology etc I dont understand why you are being argumentative about it

 

[Dewey]

 

[SnowBlaZR2]

well a military installation is a little more secure than a high school football field

I was on Corry Station during the NAS Pensacola shooting. These things happen on military bases as well...