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Stellantis CEO Resigns

Ford's best selling trucks are V6s, though I agree for RAM's historic customers prefer a V8, I included. If both GM & Ford can manage to keep a V8 available, while pushing smaller engines, I would think Stellantis can as well.

The other issue is production and price management and dealership service/repair satisfaction across the board. In regards to pricing, they really thought the Covid-Market was here to stay somehow, that people would continue to pay higher and higher prices for vehicles not meeting ownership satisfaction.

Tavares kept pushing prices and cut costs to maximize short term profit to get his huge bonus. That always comes back to bite you further down the line, also all the investors looking for short term gains and not playing the long game is really showing these days, corporate motto of give less while charging more.
 
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SD Rebel said:
Ford's best selling trucks are V6s, though I agree for RAM's historic customers prefer a V8, I included. If both GM & Ford can manage to keep a V8 available, while pushing smaller engines, I would think Stellantis can as well.
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Ford took years to get the ecoboost right, and in Canada anyway the 5.0 is still hugely popular.

But Ford is a different brand and customer base than FCA; dodge and ram are built around the hemi. No other brand had stuffed massive and spicy v8's under everything they could. When you wanted that colorful v8, you went to dodge/ram. In one year they gutted it, expecting their existing customer base to .... buy evs? 6 poppers with no soul? You don't need a marketing degree to see the outcome we all predicted.
 
silver billet said:
Ford took years to get the ecoboost right, and in Canada anyway the 5.0 is still hugely popular.

But Ford is a different brand and customer base than FCA; dodge and ram are built around the hemi. No other brand had stuffed massive and spicy v8's under everything they could. When you wanted that colorful v8, you went to dodge/ram. In one year they gutted it, expecting their existing customer base to .... buy evs? 6 poppers with no soul? You don't need a marketing degree to see the outcome we all predicted.
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100% agree, reason why I traded in my F150 for a RAM 5 years ago. Even more mismanaged is the Dodge Charger / Challenger, they brought out the EV version first which none of them would want, they give it a bunch of drag racing gimmicks, yet it's slower than the competition while costing more!

They finally realize they screwed up and are rushing an I6 version, yet even Ford knew they couldn't keep the Mustang without a V8, but the muscle car company Dodge decides to get rid of the V8.

I always said that Tavares is out of touch with US customer base, even though they bring the most profit to Stellantis, and the American Executives didn't have the guts or the ability to counter him.

The CEO before him understood the American market, which is why Tavares initially had a lot of success was from the benefits of the previous CEO's efforts. Tavares undid all that.
 
i was saying in the FB group:
where can i send application for CEO just for the hell of it.
I got no experience managing a multi billion multinational company but i'll be doing it from an enthusiast's stand point.

step 1: bring hemi back (v8 and v10).
step 2: fix the leaks and ticks
step 3: double down on next gen v8 while cutting back on this EV nonsense that no one wants to buy (turbo, supercharge, twincharge, them v8s and v10s)
step 4: restructure warranty and ram care policies
step 5: involve more in motorsports like how Ford was involved in Baja, Toyota in racing, etc.
step 6: price reduction. small margin per vehicle is better than no margin per vehicle. small pay raise or no pay raise is still better than no job.

Stellantis is in trouble now because their biggest money maker (aka, North America) is not making them money, because the CEO did not understand what people want and the company did not offer what people want. that killed the sales.
 
The Hemi was falling behind. If it wasnt the 6.4 or Hellcat it was being out performed by every manufacturer, and could barely meet emissions standards. It needed a major redesign, which the company couldn't afford. The Hurricane is cheaper to produce and shares parts with more global platforms. It meets emissions standards, and outperforms the Hemi.

The last time Dodge/RAM tried to redesign a V8 engine, it was a failure with the 4.7l.

People forget the K-cars of the 80s and early 90s that saved Chrysler. They were cars people said nobody wanted. 4-cyl, mostly FWD cars. Economical and affordable. And also produced some of the best performance cars of the era in the GLHS, Shelby Charger, CSX-T, Shelby Daytona's. Those pesky unreliable turbo engines that are still being driven to this day, because they were some of the most reliable engines Chrysler made.
 
They should also make a 2 door Gladiator. Not everyone wants a soccer mom Jeep. While on the wish list, a 2 door Hellcat Wrangler!
 
Gents, clearly we’re well on the way to saving CDJR with these ideas.

Here’s another: Bring back a BOF Dakota option and keep the Durango untamed - Hemi option for each please, with a manual option on the ‘Kota.
 
moosem said:
Not surprising at all. Nobody wants their $100k Jeeps or garbage 6 cylinder pickup trucks. Time for an American CEO to turn things around!

Step 1: develop the next generation HEMI V8!!
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As a guy thay has owned 5 hemi trucks, the hurricane is far superior. Better economy, way faster, way smoother and still runs on the same octane. I would contend that it even sounds better at times compared to the 4 cyl mode hemi.

Time to get out from under a rock and accept that though good in its day the hemi is blown away by the new 6.
 
Phoon said:
As a guy thay has owned 5 hemi trucks, the hurricane is far superior. Better economy, way faster, way smoother and still runs on the same octane. I would contend that it even sounds better at times compared to the 4 cyl mode hemi.

Time to get out from under a rock and accept that though good in its day the hemi is blown away by the new 6.
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Yeah, maybe you’re right but I’ll never know because I won’t buy one.

Clearly a lot of people feel the same way that I do because they’re not exactly flying off the shelf!

I’ll just keep what I’ve got (not etorque/ non cylinder deactivation regular HEMI). It runs good, sounds good and has plenty of power for my needs. Not to mention it’s a better looking truck than the new ones anyway.

My plan is to keep it for at least another 5 years,and I probably won’t even consider another RAM when the time comes to replace it. Not just because I don’t want an I6, but also because they’re way over priced, the depreciation is ridiculous compared to other makes, and their service is horrendous.
 
Phoon said:
As a guy thay has owned 5 hemi trucks, the hurricane is far superior. Better economy, way faster, way smoother and still runs on the same octane. I would contend that it even sounds better at times compared to the 4 cyl mode hemi.

Time to get out from under a rock and accept that though good in its day the hemi is blown away by the new 6.
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You all need to stop framing this as "hurricane vs hemi". It's not about that, it's about "hurricane vs the v8 they SHOULD have made". The mistake wasn't replacing the hemi, it was what they replaced it with. The fix is to get that new v8 out the door.

And just a little note, the hemi is a 20 year old engine, and with a supercharger its doing 700, 800, 1000+ hp. The hurricane is souless, its what you stuff in a minivan because you're worried about granny feeling a little lope at idle.
 
moosem said:
Yeah, maybe you’re right but I’ll never know because I won’t buy one.

Clearly a lot of people feel the same way that I do because they’re not exactly flying off the shelf!

I’ll just keep what I’ve got (not etorque/ non cylinder deactivation regular HEMI). It runs good, sounds good and has plenty of power for my needs. Not to mention it’s a better looking truck than the new ones anyway.

My plan is to keep it for at least another 5 years,and I probably won’t even consider another RAM when the time comes to replace it. Not just because I don’t want an I6, but also because they’re way over priced, the depreciation is ridiculous compared to other makes, and their service is horrendous.
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Rams weren't selling when they still had the Hemi. It's not the engine that is the issue. Still plenty of 2024 Hemis sitting on lots.
 
silver billet said:
You all need to stop framing this as "hurricane vs hemi". It's not about that, it's about "hurricane vs the v8 they SHOULD have made". The mistake wasn't replacing the hemi, it was what they replaced it with. The fix is to get that new v8 out the door.

And just a little note, the hemi is a 20 year old engine, and with a supercharger its doing 700, 800, 1000+ hp. The hurricane is souless, its what you stuff in a minivan because you're worried about granny feeling a little lope at idle.
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I was responding to a comment that the new 6cyl is garbage... which is ill informed and false. Ram made the decision to develop a EV ram and a range extender ram at the same time as refreshing the ICE ram. It is understandable that they would want to streamline one of the offerings. I think the decison to make two EV trucks will be wrong in the long term especially with the new administration. Would it be cool to have a new V8 to replace the HEMI? Sure! Is the hurricane "garbage" not even close.

Folks that are refusing to even drive one with an open mind are doing themselves a big disservice, its a great motor so far and its not like a 5 year old hemi is not going to have any issues. For me personally, I loved my HEMI trucks and LS vehicles in the past, but I would take the SO hurricane over any currently available V8 truck.
 
Phoon said:
I was responding to a comment that the new 6cyl is garbage... which is ill informed and false. Ram made the decision to develop a EV ram and a range extender ram at the same time as refreshing the ICE ram. It is understandable that they would want to streamline one of the offerings. I think the decison to make two EV trucks will be wrong in the long term especially with the new administration. Would it be cool to have a new V8 to replace the HEMI? Sure! Is the hurricane "garbage" not even close.

Folks that are refusing to even drive one with an open mind are doing themselves a big disservice, its a great motor so far and its not like a 5 year old hemi is not going to have any issues. For me personally, I loved my HEMI trucks and LS vehicles in the past, but I would take the SO hurricane over any currently available V8 truck.
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Ram didn't make that decision. Tavares came down from on high and said "no more v8s". This wasn't a decision made because the I6 is a superior engine, it was a decision made because they want to push everyone into EV's, and because they want to have one transitional ICE engine they can use across the globe. A v8 would cost too much to purchase in Europe because many countries tax heavily based on displacement. So it was a global/European vision that forced the v8 out of FCA/America, and that should probably upset more people than it seems to.
 
European's don't understand the big truck market. France and Renault put the death nail in the Nissan Titan. Not hard to do because they were not selling anyway. FCA also approached Renault but backed off. They then went Peugeot next. Depending on the way Stellantis goes with the new CEO, France and Peugeot will have an influence on the direction of Ram.

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I have a coworker from the UK. He comes to the US regularly and always asks for a V8 pickup as his rental vehicle. I think there are some in Europe that see what they don't have access to. They don't have the infrastructure in many parts of Europe to support a big truck. They can support the engines though with many European vehicles having V8s, V10s and V12s.
 
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