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[silver billet]

I'm not the one trying to apply the SRT label to the engine.

Your I itism question is why they can't put the 6.4 in the trucks as well as the Hurricane. I said the Hurricane makes more HP and Torque so there really is no need for the 6.4. you want that e fine that bridges the gap between the 5.7 and TRX, well, you have it. It's just a turbo charged inline 6 that will out perform the 6.4, and not hurt the CAFE ratings as badly.

The SRT package is completely separate from the engine used in the SRT lineup. I never asked for an SRT package. I asked for the 6.4 SRT engine (as opposed to the 6.4 BGE engine solely used in the 2500). The Jeep Wrangler 392 is also not an SRT package; so there are 2 cases (grand wagoneer and wrangler) where the engine is used without a sport package. I'm asking for a third.

The reason I want the 6.4 and not the tiny turbo is because the 6.4 is a stronger engine, it will be more reliable (as best we can project using other brands track records of n/a vs turbo), and get better MPG as we can again project using other brands turbos vs their N/A.

And as we can see from other brands, they still offer turbos and n/a at the same time, with the n/a having a huge share of their market. No reason Ram can't.

 

[silver billet]

I feel like we need to change the conversation to something a little more civil. Best grade of oil to use? Best rear axle ratio?

I took a year off from this forum; y'all still arguing gear ratios? What did I miss?

 

[HSKR R/T]

The SRT package is completely separate from the engine used in the SRT lineup. I never asked for an SRT package. I asked for the 6.4 SRT engine (as opposed to the 6.4 BGE engine solely used in the 2500). The Jeep Wrangler 392 is also not an SRT package; so there are 2 cases (grand wagoneer and wrangler) where the engine is used without a sport package. I'm asking for a third.

The reason I want the 6.4 and not the tiny turbo is because the 6.4 is a stronger engine, it will be more reliable (as best we can project using other brands track records of n/a vs turbo), and get better MPG as we can again project using other brands turbos vs their N/A.

And as we can see from other brands, they still offer turbos and n/a at the same time, with the n/a having a huge share of their market. No reason Ram can't.

The "other" brands offering N/A and turbo, I can only assume you are referring to Ford, which the N/A option of the 5.0 isn't any better than the 5.7 in the Ram. The Ecoboost motors at still the higher performance options.

And nobody knows what the engine life will be on the Hurricane as it's a new engine. Using new technology.

There are lots of turbo engines renowned for long life. They are diesel engines. Ram uses one of the best. Its not the turbo itself that reduces engine life it's how one drives their vehicle.

 

[Rick3478]

Maybe this thread needs lane assist.

 

[silver billet]

The "other" brands offering N/A and turbo, I can only assume you are referring to Ford, which the N/A option of the 5.0 isn't any better than the 5.7 in the Ram. The Ecoboost motors at still the higher performance options.

And nobody knows what the engine life will be on the Hurricane as it's a new engine. Using new technology.

There are lots of turbo engines renowned for long life. They are diesel engines. Ram uses one of the best. Its not the turbo itself that reduces engine life it's how one drives their vehicle.

The 5.0 is quite a better than the 5.7 IMHO. It makes just as much power after their recent update.

The Hurricane is not new, it's based on the 2.0 found in those tiny jeep cuv thingys.

You just need to look at the F250. Ford, the queen of tiny turbos, does not use their 3.5 ecoboost in the F250 even though it produces more power than their old 6.2 (IIRC). Instead they spent millions developing a big block (you guessed it) 7.3 N/A engine, and now a new 6.8(?) based on the 7.3. If that doesn't tell you anything, well fine, your preference is your preference. Me and many others have no trouble reading the tea leaves there.

 

[HSKR R/T]

The 5.0 is quite a better than the 5.7 IMHO. It makes just as much power after their recent update.

The Hurricane is not new, it's based on the 2.0 found in those tiny jeep cuv thingys.

You just need to look at the F250. Ford, the queen of tiny turbos, does not use their 3.5 ecoboost in the F250 even though it produces more power than their old 6.2 (IIRC). Instead they spent millions developing a big block (you guessed it) 7.3 N/A engine, and now a new 6.8(?) based on the 7.3. If that doesn't tell you anything, well fine, your preference is your preference. Me and many others have no trouble reading the tea leaves there.

But the 7.3 and 6.8 will never see life in a half ton truck. And I havent seen mention of the Hurricane being used in the HD Rams either.

As for the 5.0 being better than the Hemi, that's subjective. It's such a good engine they don't even use it in the GT350s or GT500 Mustangs.

 

[silver billet]

But the 7.3 and 6.8 will never see life in a half ton truck. And I havent seen mention of the Hurricane being used in the HD Rams either.

Exactly. Turbos don't last as long in heavy duty usage as N/A engines. It's not about the power numbers (which are similar or higher with turbos), it's about reliability, longevity, cost of ownership etc., even MPG under load.

That's exactly why we want v8's in our half tons too.

 

[jl13]

I feel like we need to change the conversation to something a little more civil. Best grade of oil to use? Best rear axle ratio?

black and decker vs Milwaukee?

 

[HSKR R/T]

Exactly. Turbos don't last as long in heavy duty usage as N/A engines. It's not about the power numbers (which are similar or higher with turbos), it's about reliability, longevity, cost of ownership etc., even MPG under load.

That's exactly why we want v8's in our half tons too.

The Hemi isn't going away any time soon. Most 1/2 ton truck owners aren't using them for heavy work, and most will probably never tow a trailer. If you are worried about towing or heavy hauling, you shouldn't be buying a 1/2 ton.

My 2002 Volvo S60 T5 has better power and better fuel mileage than the N/A options available at same time. That's a inline 5 turbo motor

 

[silver billet]

The Hemi isn't going away any time soon. Most 1/2 ton truck owners aren't using them for heavy work, and most will probably never tow a trailer. If you are worried about towing or heavy hauling, you shouldn't be buying a 1/2 ton.

I'm not worried about my 5.7 in the slightest. I'd prefer more power while towing the same load. I'd prefer more power while running unloaded to and fro across the earth. The turbo puts out the power, but we all know it won't put out the reliability. Nor will it get as good MPG. 7000 to 8000 pounds is not too heavy for a half ton. The 5.7 will pull that load all day every day. It was the base engine in the 2500 for years. The turbos will never live up to that.

It's a preference based on statistics and understanding of how these engines are used in the various lineups. You either share it, or you don't. I can't make it any clearer than this and I suspect at this point you're just not going to agree or allow anyone a different preference.

I'm not going to argue the point anymore. Enjoy your turbo.

 

[mikeru82]

My 2002 Volvo S60 T5 has better power and better fuel mileage than the N/A options available at same time. That's a inline 5 turbo motor

Of course it has better power. That's the whole purpose behind forced induction. As far as fuel economy goes, you'll find that doesn't necessarily hold true if you always have your foot in it to take advantage of that extra power. My 2021 2.0 turbo charged Audi A4 averages about 32 mpg when I drive it "reasonably". That drops to about 15 mpg when I'm having fun with it.

 

[jimothy]

The SRT package is completely separate from the engine used in the SRT lineup. I never asked for an SRT package. I asked for the 6.4 SRT engine (as opposed to the 6.4 BGE engine solely used in the 2500)...

I think I get it now. A lot of the confusion here is from you referring to the engine as SRT. Refer to it by its code name (Apache) or 392, and there would be less confusion. Apache vs BGE.

(Yeah, it's still confusing that in common usage, 392 refers to the Apache, while 6.4 refers to the BGE, given that 392 cu in = 6.4L, but that's just how it is.)

 

[HSKR R/T]

I'm not worried about my 5.7 in the slightest. I'd prefer more power while towing the same load. I'd prefer more power while running unloaded to and fro across the earth. The turbo puts out the power, but we all know it won't put out the reliability. Nor will it get as good MPG. 7000 to 8000 pounds is not too heavy for a half ton. The 5.7 will pull that load all day every day. It was the base engine in the 2500 for years. The turbos will never live up to that.

It's a preference based on statistics and understanding of how these engines are used in the various lineups. You either share it, or you don't. I can't make it any clearer than this and I suspect at this point you're just not going to agree or allow anyone a different preference.

I'm not going to argue the point anymore. Enjoy your turbo.

So you say it's a preference to you, and say I can share your preference or not, you don't agree with my different opinion, but someone how I'm the one who is wrong? I can understand your opinion, but I am not required to agree with it. An I am allowed to have my own opinion, express oz and defend it how I wish. Just like you are with yours. That's how life works.

 

[silver billet]

So you say it's a preference to you, and say I can share your preference or not, you don't agree with my different opinion, but someone how I'm the one who is wrong? I can understand your opinion, but I am not required to agree with it. An I am allowed to have my own opinion, express oz and defend it how I wish. Just like you are with yours. That's how life works.

No that's not how this went down. I said I wanted the 6.4 SRT in my truck for towing and you responded "nobody buys a 6.4 to tow". I'm not going to reopen this now about who said what first. It's all there. I expressed my preference and you said my preference didn't make sense and that the turbo's hp is all that matters.

 

[HSKR R/T]

No that's not how this went down. I said I wanted the 6.4 SRT in my truck for towing and you responded "nobody buys a 6.4 to tow". I'm not going to reopen this now about who said what first. It's all there. I expressed my preference and you said my preference didn't make sense.

I doesn't make sense to me. There's a reason they dont use the 6.4 from the cars in the HD trucks for towing.

 

[silver billet]

I think I get it now. A lot of the confusion here is from you referring to the engine as SRT. Refer to it by its code name (Apache) or 392, and there would be less confusion. Apache vs BGE.

(Yeah, it's still confusing that in common usage, 392 refers to the Apache, while 6.4 refers to the BGE, given that 392 cu in = 6.4L, but that's just how it is.)

Everybody on forums just calls it the 6.4 SRT. Agreed that the "srt" was part of the confusion and that's fine I can own that, but you'll notice he won't come back from this. I've been on this forum a while

 

[HSKR R/T]

Everybody on forums just calls it the 6.4 SRT. Agreed that the "srt" was part of the confusion and that's fine I can own that, but you'll notice he won't come back from this. I've been on this forum a while

It takes two. Any "everybody" on the forums do not call it the 6.4 SRT. Repeating ignorance does not make it right

 

[silver billet]

It takes two. Any "everybody" on the forums do not call it the 6.4 SRT. Repeating ignorance does not make it right

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[theblet]

The 5.0 is quite a better than the 5.7 IMHO. It makes just as much power after their recent update.

Yea, but at what rpm? I’m guessing it’s much higher. Whereas the 5.7 will have peak torque available much earlier in the power band where it is needed. Small displacement NA engines can make huge power when you wind the pi$$ out of them. Good for the track yes.

 

[silver billet]

Yea, but at what rpm? I’m guessing it’s much higher. Whereas the 5.7 will have peak torque available much earlier in the power band where it is needed. Small displacement NA engines can make huge power when you wind the pi$$ out of them. Good for the track yes.

6000 rpms. In the mustang it puts out 450 HP.

I'm not a ford fan in the slightest, but the 5.0 has always held its own pretty well against the 5.3 and 5.7 as well. My brother has a 2013 5.0 f150 and its no slouch.