Rear Fog Lamps

[Rammerc]

I want to try to make them work; really as a challenge and to have a unique truck in the US. I tried ordering the parts. The lamps, brackets, wire harness are classified as Export parts and US dealers can't order them. I may try to order from a non-US dealer; but they may not be allowed to ship Export parts to the US? However, the required Headlamp Switch

68156061AD​

while not an Export part doesn't seem to be available anywhere in the world. And, now, I'm wondering if a US dealer would even have the capability to flash them to the truck.

I talked to a few local dealerships. They are very surprised what I am talking about. They even don't know about existence of the rear fog lights. One guy was so kind and picked-up the subject. He also couldn't order the parts. Even he spoke with some people from management. They said ( but not for sure) if you get all parts probably don't need to reflash the module. I am hard working on the project too. Will notify you with the news. Thanks. Regards.

 

[brental1]

I posted this link for you because it showed availability on the website. No I didn't buy anything from them. Did you contact them? Did they refuse to accept the order? I thought that if the website says: available, in stock and ready to ship than you can buy it. I am so sorry. Thanks. Greg.

No apology required. Thanks for the link. I was just wondering if you had experience with buying from this dealership. It seems to me that some sites do show availability while others just give you access to the parts catalog. They refused to sell the Export parts. Understandable. I'm not that familiar with homologation in the US; but I'm guessing that if Rams with rear fog lights aren't homologated for the US, then it may be illegal to sell the parts in the US. (I say Rams because my Mercedes has rear fog light and I'm guessing that Mercedes certified the vehicle in the US with this feature) . After Dodge City of McKinney cancelled the Export parts, that left about 5 or 6 other PNs on the order. A few days later I was notified that the entire order was cancelled. I haven't followed up with them.

 

[brental1]

I talked to a few local dealerships. They are very surprised what I am talking about. They even don't know about existence of the rear fog lights. One guy was so kind and picked-up the subject. He also couldn't order the parts. Even he spoke with some people from management. They said ( but not for sure) if you get all parts probably don't need to reflash the module. I am hard working on the project too. Will notify you with the news. Thanks. Regards.

See my other response; but rear fog lamps are definitely not an option offered in the US. Probably will not be able to buy any of the new components (at least through legitimate channels) in the US. Probably have to find a dismantler in a country where the option is legal. Since the headlamp switch has a multiplex circuit, I'm almost sure it would require either reflashing and/or a different control unit for the lights. I'll let you know if I find more information--but I'm not optimistic.

 

[heathric79]

Last weekend I got my rear fogs working without buying anything from Mopar.

I have a 2019 Rebel, which already had 1 rear fog wire running to the rear bumper but not in the bumper harness. It's a White/Orange wire, with nothing on the other side of the connector.

You need alfaobd to activate rear fogs.
Also need a relay since most LED pods consume more current than the Mopar rear fogs.

I'd recommend adding a fuse, and some kind of indicator. My factory gauges don't have a rear fog indicator, but has a useless vta light, so I used that. If you already have the rear fog indicator or don't want one, you won't need to do anything under your dash.

Stock fog light switch will work. The only difference between stock and the "rear fog" version is the symbol painted on the button.

Supplies needed
-Alfaobd & OBD2Link MX+
-Standard Bosch relay preferably diode type
-Fuse holder with fuse
-soldering iron and heat shrink with hot melt (preferred), or just use crimp connectors with hot melt. They'll last until after the vehicle dies
-wire. Preferably red and black 14awg is probably fine unless your lights are stupid bright
-stripper/crimper/cutter, basic tools
-split wire loom, loom tape, zip ties
-EP35 electronic flasher if you want the indicator light to blink

Will add links to the specific parts/tools I used later

 

[brental1]

Last weekend I got my rear fogs working without buying anything from Mopar.

I have a 2019 Rebel, which already had 1 rear fog wire running to the rear bumper but not in the bumper harness. It's a White/Orange wire, with nothing on the other side of the connector.

You need alfaobd to activate rear fogs.
Also need a relay since most LED pods consume more current than the Mopar rear fogs.

I'd recommend adding a fuse, and some kind of indicator. My factory gauges don't have a rear fog indicator, but has a useless vta light, so I used that. If you already have the rear fog indicator or don't want one, you won't need to do anything under your dash.

Stock fog light switch will work. The only difference between stock and the "rear fog" version is the symbol painted on the button.

Supplies needed
-Alfaobd & OBD2Link MX+
-Standard Bosch relay preferably diode type
-Fuse holder with fuse
-soldering iron and heat shrink with hot melt (preferred), or just use crimp connectors with hot melt. They'll last until after the vehicle dies
-wire. Preferably red and black 14awg is probably fine unless your lights are stupid bright
-stripper/crimper/cutter, basic tools
-split wire loom, loom tape, zip ties
-EP35 electronic flasher if you want the indicator light to blink

Will add links to the specific parts/tools I used later

Nice. What is vta light? Also, I don't understand your comment about the switch. When you turn on fog lights, does that turn on fronts and rears simultaneously? Thanks, Brent

 

[kapinallinen2]

Last weekend I got my rear fogs working without buying anything from Mopar.

Looks more like rear backup lights, hope you do not run down the highway with those turned on.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...blinding-red-light-oh-right-un-regulation-48/

 

[bigdodge]

Last weekend I got my rear fogs working without buying anything from Mopar.

I have a 2019 Rebel, which already had 1 rear fog wire running to the rear bumper but not in the bumper harness. It's a White/Orange wire, with nothing on the other side of the connector.

You need alfaobd to activate rear fogs.
Also need a relay since most LED pods consume more current than the Mopar rear fogs.

I'd recommend adding a fuse, and some kind of indicator. My factory gauges don't have a rear fog indicator, but has a useless vta light, so I used that. If you already have the rear fog indicator or don't want one, you won't need to do anything under your dash.

Stock fog light switch will work. The only difference between stock and the "rear fog" version is the symbol painted on the button.

Supplies needed
-Alfaobd & OBD2Link MX+
-Standard Bosch relay preferably diode type
-Fuse holder with fuse
-soldering iron and heat shrink with hot melt (preferred), or just use crimp connectors with hot melt. They'll last until after the vehicle dies
-wire. Preferably red and black 14awg is probably fine unless your lights are stupid bright
-stripper/crimper/cutter, basic tools
-split wire loom, loom tape, zip ties
-EP35 electronic flasher if you want the indicator light to blink

Will add links to the specific parts/tools I used later

looks something like these

Stage Series Reverse Light Kit for 2019-2024 Ram 1500

<div class="ddescr dcol1"> <div class="block1"> <h3>Features</h3> <ul> <li>Mount two SSC1, SSC2, or C1R pods underneath the 2019-2023 Ram 1500 rear bumper.</li> <li>Provides high-power reverse light, red accent light, and 4th brake light (w/ C1R option).</li> <li>Connects to trailer hitch wiring...

www.diodedynamics.com

 

[kapinallinen2]

So are you all talking about rear fog lights or rear backup lights. Two entirely different animals.

 

[heathric79]

Nice. What is vta light? Also, I don't understand your comment about the switch. When you turn on fog lights, does that turn on fronts and rears simultaneously? Thanks, Brent

The VTA indicator is that little red LED in your cluster that seemingly does nothing important.

 

[heathric79]

Looks more like rear backup lights, hope you do not run down the highway with those turned on.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...blinding-red-light-oh-right-un-regulation-48/

Sorry officer, I should have specified, these would only be used for off-road purposes.

 

[heathric79]

So are you all talking about rear fog lights or rear backup lights. Two entirely different animals.

The VTC indicator is that little red LED in your cluster that seemingly does nothing important.

These turn on when you press the fog button 2 times. When rear fog is activated, the button acts like this.
1st press, front fog
2nd press, front and rear fog
3rd press, front fog
4th press, all fogs off

These wouldn't be considered backup lights unless you turn them on while backing up, which is the main reason I started this project. I work off-road at cell towers and usually can't see much in the reverse cam at night, but I didn't want something that turns on every time I reverse, and I can't stand cheesy non-factory switches in my vehicles, so I used the built-in rear fog functionality. It works great for lighting up my towers, tools, trailers, boat, etc.

 

[kapinallinen2]

Sorry officer, I should have specified, these would only be used for off-road purposes.

Thanks for clarification.

 

[Dthemi]

If you could get those with clear lenses that would make a clean additional reverse light installation.

You can in Australia!, we actually remove one of the red lights and replace with white as a reverse back up! Unfortunately we remove the wires from the combination rear lights!

 

[jimothy]

You can in Australia!, we actually remove one of the red lights and replace with white as a reverse back up! Unfortunately we remove the wires from the combination rear lights!

Yeah but that’s because you drive backwards and upside down in Australia, right?

 

[brental1]

Here is a page to find your rear wire harness.

Wiring, Chassis and Underbody.. 2020 Ram 1500 5.7L HEMI V8 4WD Limited Crew Cab - Myrtle Beach SC

2020 Ram 1500 5.7L HEMI V8 4WD Limited Crew Cab Wiring, Chassis and Underbody. Chassis 1 of 2.

www.moparpartsinc.com

The trick to this site is to look at all [ ... ] entries and chose the harness that matches what you have, with [Rear Fog Lamps]
For example 68294467AD has the text Rear Fog Lamps, but only Bumper Module I is enclosed by [ ]
Same with 68294468AD it also has the text, but not in [ ] .. that one only has Bumper Module I, Parksense Ft/Rr Park Assist w/Stop, Remote Proximity Keyless Entry.
Now all the following have [Rear Fog Lamps] in their description, with the first number, being the cheapest(in case you want to cannibalize it).
68360457AD, 68360456AD, 68360451AD, 68360455AD, 68358060AD

More info: I'm trying to add both Rear Fog Lamps and Remote Proximity Keyless Entry (Passive Entry) to my truck.

Only 2 PNs had both these oprions. 68360451AD is the cheaper one because it has [Parksense Ft/Rr Park Assist w/Stop]. [REAR FOG LAMPS], [Remote Proximity Keyless Entry].

68358060AD is more expensive because it has [Parallel and Perp Park Assist w/Stop], [REAR FOG LAMPS], [Remote Proximity Keyless Entry].

Since my truck has neither version of Park Assist, and I don't plan to add it; I bought 68360451AD

 

[brental1]

Unbelievably, Fiat "gave away" the WT/DG and WT/OR from BCM C5/E and C6/F to XY400A in my truck, 2022 BH with Level 1 EQ. I'll check tomorrow if they go from XY400A to the back of the truck. If they don't, where do I get the sealed pins? Thanks, Brent

and the Two wires, but, I highly doubt they’re there. Quickest way to find out is to unplug this connector underneath the driver seat floorboard, and see if there are terminals on both halves of the connector in positions 1 & 2. Even if they’re not there, they would be very easy to add to those connectors from the BCM to the rear facia connector.

 

[brental1]

Two wires, but, I highly doubt they’re there. Quickest way to find out is to unplug this connector underneath the driver seat floorboard, and see if there are terminals on both halves of the connector in positions 1 & 2. Even if they’re not there, they would be very easy to add to those connectors from the BCM to the rear facia connector.

Unbelievably, Fiat "gave away" the WT/DG and WT/OR from BCM C5/E and C6/F to XY400A in my truck, 2022 BH with Level 1 EQ. And the WT/DG and WT/OR are present on both halfes of XY400A. I don't know which connector they go to next. Do I need a rear bumper harness that includes the 2 fog lamp connectors? Also, I was able to find the headlamp switch (with the 2 fog light icons on AliExpress.

 

[brental1]

You can in Australia!, we actually remove one of the red lights and replace with white as a reverse back up! Unfortunately we remove the wires from the combination rear lights!

 

[Blizzak454]

Diode Dynamics is the way. I too will be going down this path.

 

[brental1]

Thanks! This is very helpful - I've updated my table. I didn't realize that the module was mostly reflector, with two LEDs per lamp for the fog function. These actually stand out a bit more than I had imagined - I'll probably apply a smoke film to the lamp modules when I go through this mod.

How do you get the parts? Seems US dealers can't get them. I see there's one side available on eBay for a black market price.