Order Tracking

[Eighty]

im not going to get into an argument with someone on the internet.

believe what you will.

Hi, my username is Eighty. In case you didn’t know, I track daily production on all Ram DT pickups. I can tell you exactly how many have been built as of right now (including what kind and even what options), and I can tell you approximately how many VINs have been issued.
Where does your information come from? A hunch?

 

[John Galt]

Hi, my username is Eighty. In case you didn’t know, I track daily production on all Ram DT pickups. I can tell you exactly how many have been built as of right now (including what kind and even what options), and I can tell you approximately how many VINs have been issued.
Where does your information come from? A hunch?

Ok you’ve successfully flexed on me…and you’re a forum moderator….so…..sorry and thanks,

 

[millerbjm]

These aren’t accurate statements. There’s a backlog of about 30,000 VINs right now. Ram may be building some orders that are only days old, but they’re also sitting on some orders that were placed in 2022.
And production only takes 1-2 days from start to finish. Final inspection, including fixing any squawks, is a crap shoot that could be zero days or several weeks.

Do you know how many trucks they build in an average day - i.e. how many days it would take to build all 30,000 of those VINS assuming normal production?

 

[Eighty]

Do you know how many trucks they build in an average day - i.e. how many days it would take to build all 30,000 of those VINS assuming normal production?

Last year, they averaged about 6,000/week (but they were working a lot of weekend shifts). This model year has been substantially slower. Not only due to less weekend shifts, but they seem to be turning less trucks per weekday. Now it’s usually in the 1,000-1,200 range per day.

 

[John Galt]

Last year, they averaged about 6,000/week (but they were working a lot of weekend shifts). This model year has been substantially slower. Not only due to less weekend shifts, but they seem to be turning less trucks per weekday. Now it’s usually in the 1,000-1,200 range per day.

That’s kinda what I was saying….and even though they have a backlog (which could be dealer orders right?) they could be sitting on those orders to tighten up supply a bit but prioritizing sold orders because they’re instant revenue. I’ve been to several new truck lots in the past few weeks as well as RV yards and it doesn’t take much inside knowledge to see the plethora of inventory….last year they were empty. that’s my observation.

 

[millerbjm]

Last year, they averaged about 6,000/week (but they were working a lot of weekend shifts). This model year has been substantially slower. Not only due to less weekend shifts, but they seem to be turning less trucks per weekday. Now it’s usually in the 1,000-1,200 range per day.

Appreciate the information - seems reasonable that orders could still be co.pleted in 2-3 months from order at that pace.

 

[Eighty]

Appreciate the information - seems reasonable that orders could still be co.pleted in 2-3 months from order at that pace.

Sure, they could theoretically close orders today and finish the outstanding orders in 5 weeks or so. But in reality, they will keep taking orders - building some within 3 weeks of the order date, and slowly building some of the unfinished orders from late 2022. Here's a chart showing the current completion rates (by VIN group) as of right now.



If you strip this chart down to just a single day's worth of production, here's what it looked like last Friday (4/28). As you can see, they're making a big push in the 626-632 groups - that's the forward wave. But they're still building out trucks as low as the 528 group - VINs that were issued mostly on 11/16-11/17/22.

 

[John Galt]

Do the vin groups correspond to specific trims or options or are they just sequential?

 

[Eighty]

Do the vin groups correspond to specific trims or options or are they just sequential?

That's just the sequential serial number (last 6 digits of VIN, divided into groups of 1000). For MY2023, VINs started at 500001 (500 group) and are currently being built as high as 648014 (648 group). Trims are all mixed up in these groups.

 

[RamOwner313]

Sure, they could theoretically close orders today and finish the outstanding orders in 5 weeks or so. But in reality, they will keep taking orders - building some within 3 weeks of the order date, and slowly building some of the unfinished orders from late 2022. Here's a chart showing the current completion rates (by VIN group) as of right now.

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If you strip this chart down to just a single day's worth of production, here's what it looked like last Friday (4/28). As you can see, they're making a big push in the 626-632 groups - that's the forward wave. But they're still building out trucks as low as the 528 group - VINs that were issued mostly on 11/16-11/17/22.

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Which trims are you seeing turn around the fastest and the slowest?

From what I can tell and what my dealer told me is that Limited's seem to be the hot topic right now and most of those are completing in as little as 5 weeks. Maybe due to them have little to no incentives and higher profit margin for Ram vs a Laramie or Big Horn.

Any insight you could give?

 

[Eighty]

Which trims are you seeing turn around the fastest and the slowest?

From what I can tell and what my dealer told me is that Limited's seem to be the hot topic right now and most of those are completing in as little as 5 weeks. Maybe due to them have little to no incentives and higher profit margin for Ram vs a Laramie or Big Horn.

Any insight you could give?

Seems to be a mixed bag - I haven’t seen any major trends that stand out. The super-high VINs (647, 648, even 653 groups) appear to be one-off builds - most likely rebuilds.
Bighorns take up so much of the daily production, it’s hard to notice much else. The only thing I can definitively say is that TRX’s are lagging pretty far behind. But I have reason to believe there’s about to be a big surge on those in the near future.

 

[ExFordGuy]

A big push in the 625s would be nice.

 

[Eighty]

So I decided to put some math into what I was saying above. Here's what I find, when I compare the overall model year (to date) numbers against just the April numbers:

	MYTD Qty	MYTD %	April Qty	April %
Big Horn	53437​	43.51%​	8261​	37.72%​
Laramie	24875​	20.25%​	5111​	23.34%​
Limited	14304​	11.65%​	2405​	10.98%​
Longhorn	4052​	3.30%​	832​	3.80%​
Rebel/Sport	7869​	6.41%​	1272​	5.81%​
Sport	3159​	2.57%​	744​	3.40%​
Tradesman	7913​	6.44%​	2013​	9.19%​
TRX	7212​	5.87%​	1262​	5.76%​
HFE	2​	0.00%​
	122823​		21900​

If you look at the Limited, it has run 11.65% of production for the year. But in April, it fell to 10.98%. Statistically insignificant, but it definitely says that the Limited isn't getting special treatment. If anything, it might be Laramies - those are up from 20.25% to 23.34% (that's a 15% increase). Tradesmen are up too. Bighorns are down.

 

[Eighty]

Since I'm at it, a couple of other tidbits on production. If you recall, Ram announced the last call for EcoDiesels (they were scheduled to end in January 2023). Well, they kept building them throughout February and March. But it looks like the last one rolled down the line on March 27th. Haven't seen one since.

Years	BSDate	Count of EcoDiesels
2022	Aug	21​
	Oct	2​
	Nov	233​
	Dec	2066​
2022 Total		2322​
2023	Jan	2295​
	Feb	572​
	Mar	322​
2023 Total		3189​
Grand Total		5511​

 

[millerbjm]

I was taking a closer look at my most recent POC today and noticed 2 sales codes that are showing on this version and were not on the previous version I was given when placing the order (got a new POC after adding the 12' cluster) as well as another addition.
4UQ - T3AC $0 MSRP $125 invoice which seems to be a chanrge for the extended warranty the dealer 'includes' on all new vehicles .
4NU - Fuel Fill/Battery Charge which shows $0 MSRP and $0 invoice.
The other addition is a line right above the destination fee that says Special Equipment: 99507A $0 MSRP and $0 invoice.
Seems you really have to watch the details even after placing an order to catch changes even if they are small.

 

[bigdodge]

You can also ask for a detailed poc. It lists even more stuff.

 

[RamOwner313]

How long does production usually take? My Rebel just went into the production phase on the tracker.

 

[bigdodge]

How long does production usually take? My Rebel just went into the production phase on the tracker.

total 3 or 4 days

to assemble the truck just takes an hour but painting and frame is what takes a while

then there is inspections before windows sticker which can take a while

 

[dannydyn]

realistically speaking, if I placed an order for a Rebel today, when can/should I expect to take delivery?

TIA

 

[6of36]

realistically speaking, if I placed an order for a Rebel today, when can/should I expect to take delivery?

TIA

It can vary. They are not built in the order of when an order is placed. I think one member had his truck start production in less than three weeks, others 5 or 6 weeks lately. Also, depending where it is shipped it could be 3 days, or 3 weeks.