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My PPE transmission pan: the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I’ve got about 10k miles on the fluid change and PPE swap. I didn’t use the spacers (figured it was there mostly to prevent cracking or distortion of the plastic pan). I used a Felpro gasket and it looked like the spacers wouldn’t allow the gasket to be compressed fully. No leaks and no other issues so far.

I thought it was shifting into reverse and drive little slower initially but it was probably just me being overly interested since I just serviced it.

Finally got a big tow in with hot temps. On flat land loaded at highway speed it runs about 3° cooler.
 
I know this is an old thread, but just purchased the +2qt PPE pan, two gaskets (straight from Mopar), and 7 quarts of ZF Lifeguard Fluid 8 and planning to do the pan swap one of the upcoming weekends. I chose the best price I could find for most of the parts including finding a deal straight from Mopar instead of going through KLM Performance. I wanted to buy through KLM who list having a military discount in their "About" section, but I sent them an email a few days ago to inquire and they haven't replied.

PPE Order - $337.04 after 10% Military Discount (GovX):
- 1x Heavy-Duty Cast Aluminum Transmission Pan - Deep (Raw) - $319.99
- 1x 8HP70 PPE Transmission Pan Filter - $29.99 (spare for later)

USP Motorsports order - $113.47:
- ZF Lifeguard Fluid 8 - $15.15/qt

Mopar.com order - $65.86:
- 2x Oil Pan Gasket - 68172556AA - $22.95 (one spare for later)

TOTAL: $516.37 with tax and shipping.

I'm also using this as an excuse to go buy myself a new jack and jack stands since I need to level the truck and lift the transmission a bit for clearance. I've gotten away with not needing a jack/stands for oil changes and other basic maintenance but no getting around this one without them.
 
Use a bottle jack on top of some spare 4x4 wood pieces to lift the trans enough to remove the mount. Use the jack on the rear differential to get the rear up enough to have the truck leveled and rear wheels off the ground. Use jack stands on the sides of the diff. You may need to lift the front as well or use wood pieces underneath the front wheels.


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Use a bottle jack on top of some spare 4x4 wood pieces to lift the trans enough to remove the mount. Use the jack on the rear differential to get the rear up enough to have the truck leveled and rear wheels off the ground. Use jack stands on the sides of the diff. You may need to lift the front as well or use wood pieces underneath the front wheels.


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Thanks! I have some leftover 4x4's from another project so adding a cheap bottle jack should do the trick. My driveway slope is noticeable but nothing crazy, so I think just lifting the rear a couple inches should make it level enough to properly fill.
 
I know this is an old thread, but just purchased the +2qt PPE pan, two gaskets (straight from Mopar), and 7 quarts of ZF Lifeguard Fluid 8 and planning to do the pan swap one of the upcoming weekends. I chose the best price I could find for most of the parts including finding a deal straight from Mopar instead of going through KLM Performance. I wanted to buy through KLM who list having a military discount in their "About" section, but I sent them an email a few days ago to inquire and they haven't replied.

PPE Order - $337.04 after 10% Military Discount (GovX):
- 1x Heavy-Duty Cast Aluminum Transmission Pan - Deep (Raw) - $319.99
- 1x 8HP70 PPE Transmission Pan Filter - $29.99 (spare for later)

USP Motorsports order - $113.47:
- ZF Lifeguard Fluid 8 - $15.15/qt

Mopar.com order - $65.86:
- 2x Oil Pan Gasket - 68172556AA - $22.95 (one spare for later)

TOTAL: $516.37 with tax and shipping.

I'm also using this as an excuse to go buy myself a new jack and jack stands since I need to level the truck and lift the transmission a bit for clearance. I've gotten away with not needing a jack/stands for oil changes and other basic maintenance but no getting around this one without them.
Amazon has the best price for the PPE pan. I can't find it on GovX, just the cheaper knock off pan.
 
Thanks! I have some leftover 4x4's from another project so adding a cheap bottle jack should do the trick. My driveway slope is noticeable but nothing crazy, so I think just lifting the rear a couple inches should make it level enough to properly fill.
Lift from under the rear differential to get tires off the ground, needed for proper full procedure. If you haven't leveled the front suspension, as mentioned, you may need to lift the front up some as well. Some people love them, But I've never been a fan of bottle jacks. Not a large enough footprint to be stable, IMO. Especially when lifting a higher sitting truck. I have one of the Harbor Freight 3-ton Daytona jacks that works awesome, and some larger 6-ton Jack stands. need the bigger Jack stands for these trucks. My smaller 3-ton ones wouldn't go high enough. Ordered off Amazon.
 
Yeah I would still use an actual jack to lift the truck.. cheap bottle jack just to lift the trans.


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PPE not charge sales tax?

I use Amazon a lot. Free same day to 2-day shipping cant be beat, and their prices on most items are cheaper. Catch sales or discounts for even more savings or shop the warehouse deals on returned items.
$26.99 for the spare filter, $288 for the pan, and $22.05 for tax with free shipping.

Ordered Sunday and should deliver on Friday.
 

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$26.99 for the spare filter, $288 for the pan, and $22.05 for tax with free shipping.

Ordered Sunday and should deliver on Friday.
SO a few bucks cheaper than Amazon. Not everyone gets the GovX discount though. I probably would have ordered direct from PPE had I know they had that when I got mine.
 
Here's what my problem was/is: Last year with the stock pan, I was driving a crossed a picked corn field and a corn stalk, yes a corn stalk, punched a hole in the stock pan and dumped my fluid until it would no longer move. I do not do any HD pulling with my truck and just ordered another stock pan. After changing out the pan and adding fluid following the recommended procedure it has not shifted correctly since. Shifts late, shifts hard, down shifts even harder and trans temp, in winter, take 40 miles to get over 140. Still under factory warranty but they want $300 to check it.
22 Ram 1500 Laramie 5.7 Hemi. anyone else have these problems?
 
Here's what my problem was/is: Last year with the stock pan, I was driving a crossed a picked corn field and a corn stalk, yes a corn stalk, punched a hole in the stock pan and dumped my fluid until it would no longer move. I do not do any HD pulling with my truck and just ordered another stock pan. After changing out the pan and adding fluid following the recommended procedure it has not shifted correctly since. Shifts late, shifts hard, down shifts even harder and trans temp, in winter, take 40 miles to get over 140. Still under factory warranty but they want $300 to check it.
22 Ram 1500 Laramie 5.7 Hemi. anyone else have these problems?
When you drove it without fluid, you probably burnt up some clutches, and damaged the transmission. I would not mention that to dealer if you take it in for warranty
 
Here's what my problem was/is: Last year with the stock pan, I was driving a crossed a picked corn field and a corn stalk, yes a corn stalk, punched a hole in the stock pan and dumped my fluid until it would no longer move. I do not do any HD pulling with my truck and just ordered another stock pan. After changing out the pan and adding fluid following the recommended procedure it has not shifted correctly since. Shifts late, shifts hard, down shifts even harder and trans temp, in winter, take 40 miles to get over 140. Still under factory warranty but they want $300 to check it.
22 Ram 1500 Laramie 5.7 Hemi. anyone else have these problems?
Pay the $300. After they check it, get your $300 back. <- Of course, that assumes your repair is under warranty.
 
I finally found some time to do the pan and fluid swap. For context, my truck is a 5.7 without e-torque. I realize the thread originated in the EcoDiesel-specific section, but this is the most consistent thread about the PPE pan that I could find on the site.

Prior to the pan swap and fluid change, I was having some hard shifting that was especially noticeable on low-speed downshifts. I was worried about the state of my transmission and it surviving the fluid change, but decided that if it was going to fail anyway I might as well have it fail now while I'm not having to drive long distances for work as much. F it, send it.

To get the truck in the air enough so that the transmission could be leveled and the rear tires were off the ground, I had to go max height on the rear jack stands (under the rear axle) and at the minimum height on the front (under the LCAs). This gave a wide enough stance that I felt confident in starting/running it during the air bleed and leveling part of the project. My garage floor slopes a bit more away from the house than I knew, and it became very noticeable when trying to get jack stands set just right...

Issue #1 came with not being able to access the fill or drain plugs due to the exhaust placement. I'd love to kick the engineer who routed this exhaust right in the shin. \

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COMPLETELY blocked by the exhaust.

To get around these clearance issues, I unbolted the transmission from the crossmember and used a bottle jack (with a cinder block and 4x4s for height) to lift the rear of the transmission.

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This worked to both give a little bit of clearance for both the fill plug and the drain plug.

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I was able to get the fill plug out using a 6" long reach 8mm hex socket and a 3" extension. If I had a normal 8mm hex socket that was 3/8" drive I probably could have fit it instead of going over the exhaust with extensions, but I only had a 1/2" drive. NOTE: FLUID WILL DRAIN FROM THE FILL PLUG AT THIS POINT. Have your drain pan ready underneath it.

The drain plug was not as easy. Since clearance still wasn't great working around the exhaust, I tried using a ball end long reach 10mm hex socket. This immediately rounded out the plastic drain plug. I jammed a T55 torx in there to try to salvage it but it only moved a few degrees before rounding out further. Eff it. I ended up drilling a hole in the lowest part of the transmission pan instead to let the fluid drain. 4.5 Quarts of transmission fluid drained from the transmission. Overall the fluid looked pretty damn good considering it had 110k miles on it and towed boats regularly up to 8,500 lbs.

The rest of the pan removal was completely drama-free. All of the T40 bolts holding the pan in place came out easily. I tried putting some foil over the exhaust to keep the fluid off of it but it didn't work as I had hoped.

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The old pan's bolt hole inserts popped easily out with a quick tap of a screwdriver on each. I installed the new Mopar gasket on the pan, gave it and the filter o-ring a healthy coating of fresh fluid, and bolted the new pan in place using the inserts from the original. I know it's debatable whether these are useful or not, but the instructions call for them to be reused so I did.

I first started with just two opposing finger-tight bolts holding it in place, added the rest of the bolts finger tight, then torqued them in the order shown on the instruction sheet. Torque spec shows 8-10 ft-lb, so they were torqued to 8 ft-lb to start. I later went back and checked the torque at 9 ft-lb after heat cycling the engine and all but three clicked immediately.

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I left the bottle jack elevating the rear of the transmission during the entire fill process, as the transmission sits at a fairly steep angle even when the truck itself is level. I went as far as to put a bubble level on the transmission and got it close enough that the bubble was between the lines but almost touching one.

Fill process:
I used ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid for the fill, as it's what the transmission comes filled with from the factory. It's a bit harder to find, but is exactly the same as the Mopar-branded fluid for a much easier to stomach price. I pumped 5.5 quarts of fluid into the transmission before there was a steady stream coming out of the fill plug. I went through the shift cycle shown in the Blauparts YouTube Video, which was a huge help in visualizing the steps of the process. The process is as follows:

1. With the truck still elevated and level, start the engine and let it idle
2. Disable traction control
3. Immediately remove the fill plug and continue adding fluid until there is a steady stream of fluid from the fill port Reinstall fill plug hand-tight
4. With the truck still elevated and wheels off the ground, shift into reverse for 5 seconds while continuing to hold the brake
5. Continue holding the brake, shift to neutral for a moment, and then into drive for 5 seconds
6. Release the brake pedal and gently accelerate, allowing the transmission to shift into 2nd gear. Continue in 2nd gear for 5 seconds.
7. Release the accelerator pedal, gently apply the brakes, and shift into neutral.
8. In neutral, bring the engine up to 2000 rpm for 5 seconds, then release the accelerator and let it come back to idle
9. Shift into Park. The air has been effectively purged from the transmission.
10. Check that the transmission temp is between 86°F and 100°F. If it's above 100°F, shut off the truck and let it cool, as the transmission cannot exceed 120°F at any point during the process.
11. Remove fill plug and allow excess fluid to drain. The steady stream of fluid should slow to a light trickle between 86°F and 122°F, and that is the point that the fluid level is correct.

I had to add fluid both times while the engine was running and my transmission never went above 110°F. The truck took 8.5 quarts total with the +2 quart capacity pan, and I think that may be a bit low. I'm going to check and top it off in 1-2k miles.

During the test drive I couldn't believe how quietly and smoothly the truck shifted. It was absolutely a night and day difference with fresh fluid. I'm hopeful that the extra capacity will keep the transmission temps lower when towing heavier boats, and the new drain plug location will make future fluid/filter changes a lot easier than the initial pan swap project.
 
I finally found some time to do the pan and fluid swap. For context, my truck is a 5.7 without e-torque. I realize the thread originated in the EcoDiesel-specific section, but this is the most consistent thread about the PPE pan that I could find on the site.

Prior to the pan swap and fluid change, I was having some hard shifting that was especially noticeable on low-speed downshifts. I was worried about the state of my transmission and it surviving the fluid change, but decided that if it was going to fail anyway I might as well have it fail now while I'm not having to drive long distances for work as much. F it, send it.

To get the truck in the air enough so that the transmission could be leveled and the rear tires were off the ground, I had to go max height on the rear jack stands (under the rear axle) and at the minimum height on the front (under the LCAs). This gave a wide enough stance that I felt confident in starting/running it during the air bleed and leveling part of the project. My garage floor slopes a bit more away from the house than I knew, and it became very noticeable when trying to get jack stands set just right...

Issue #1 came with not being able to access the fill or drain plugs due to the exhaust placement. I'd love to kick the engineer who routed this exhaust right in the shin. \

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COMPLETELY blocked by the exhaust.

To get around these clearance issues, I unbolted the transmission from the crossmember and used a bottle jack (with a cinder block and 4x4s for height) to lift the rear of the transmission.

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This worked to both give a little bit of clearance for both the fill plug and the drain plug.

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I was able to get the fill plug out using a 6" long reach 8mm hex socket and a 3" extension. If I had a normal 8mm hex socket that was 3/8" drive I probably could have fit it instead of going over the exhaust with extensions, but I only had a 1/2" drive. NOTE: FLUID WILL DRAIN FROM THE FILL PLUG AT THIS POINT. Have your drain pan ready underneath it.

The drain plug was not as easy. Since clearance still wasn't great working around the exhaust, I tried using a ball end long reach 10mm hex socket. This immediately rounded out the plastic drain plug. I jammed a T55 torx in there to try to salvage it but it only moved a few degrees before rounding out further. Eff it. I ended up drilling a hole in the lowest part of the transmission pan instead to let the fluid drain. 4.5 Quarts of transmission fluid drained from the transmission. Overall the fluid looked pretty damn good considering it had 110k miles on it and towed boats regularly up to 8,500 lbs.

The rest of the pan removal was completely drama-free. All of the T40 bolts holding the pan in place came out easily. I tried putting some foil over the exhaust to keep the fluid off of it but it didn't work as I had hoped.

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The old pan's bolt hole inserts popped easily out with a quick tap of a screwdriver on each. I installed the new Mopar gasket on the pan, gave it and the filter o-ring a healthy coating of fresh fluid, and bolted the new pan in place using the inserts from the original. I know it's debatable whether these are useful or not, but the instructions call for them to be reused so I did.

I first started with just two opposing finger-tight bolts holding it in place, added the rest of the bolts finger tight, then torqued them in the order shown on the instruction sheet. Torque spec shows 8-10 ft-lb, so they were torqued to 8 ft-lb to start. I later went back and checked the torque at 9 ft-lb after heat cycling the engine and all but three clicked immediately.

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I left the bottle jack elevating the rear of the transmission during the entire fill process, as the transmission sits at a fairly steep angle even when the truck itself is level. I went as far as to put a bubble level on the transmission and got it close enough that the bubble was between the lines but almost touching one.

Fill process:
I used ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid for the fill, as it's what the transmission comes filled with from the factory. It's a bit harder to find, but is exactly the same as the Mopar-branded fluid for a much easier to stomach price. I pumped 5.5 quarts of fluid into the transmission before there was a steady stream coming out of the fill plug. I went through the shift cycle shown in the Blauparts YouTube Video, which was a huge help in visualizing the steps of the process. The process is as follows:

1. With the truck still elevated and level, start the engine and let it idle
2. Disable traction control
3. Immediately remove the fill plug and continue adding fluid until there is a steady stream of fluid from the fill port Reinstall fill plug hand-tight
4. With the truck still elevated and wheels off the ground, shift into reverse for 5 seconds while continuing to hold the brake
5. Continue holding the brake, shift to neutral for a moment, and then into drive for 5 seconds
6. Release the brake pedal and gently accelerate, allowing the transmission to shift into 2nd gear. Continue in 2nd gear for 5 seconds.
7. Release the accelerator pedal, gently apply the brakes, and shift into neutral.
8. In neutral, bring the engine up to 2000 rpm for 5 seconds, then release the accelerator and let it come back to idle
9. Shift into Park. The air has been effectively purged from the transmission.
10. Check that the transmission temp is between 86°F and 100°F. If it's above 100°F, shut off the truck and let it cool, as the transmission cannot exceed 120°F at any point during the process.
11. Remove fill plug and allow excess fluid to drain. The steady stream of fluid should slow to a light trickle between 86°F and 122°F, and that is the point that the fluid level is correct.

I had to add fluid both times while the engine was running and my transmission never went above 110°F. The truck took 8.5 quarts total with the +2 quart capacity pan, and I think that may be a bit low. I'm going to check and top it off in 1-2k miles.

During the test drive I couldn't believe how quietly and smoothly the truck shifted. It was absolutely a night and day difference with fresh fluid. I'm hopeful that the extra capacity will keep the transmission temps lower when towing heavier boats, and the new drain plug location will make future fluid/filter changes a lot easier than the initial pan swap project.
Another thing that is debatable, aside from the pan bolt inserts, which definitely should be used, is whether you need to level the transmission itself, or just the truck. When I did mine I just leveled the truck, which just requires jacking the rear end up, by the differential, to where the tires were off the ground which was needed to do all the steps anyways.

Also, you have to jack up the transmission to get the old pan off and new pan in, so doing it prior to removing the drain plug is just good practice as you can't really get to the drain plug if you don't. I just used a regular Allen wrench on both the drain plug and fill plug. No clearance issues, and once you break the torque they just spin out by hand anyways. My transmission and exhaust were cold when I started though. But working around the hot exhaust trying to fill was a different story.
 

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