K&N

[Darksteel165]

It's for emissions, not sure how that works, but from what I understand they are carbon filled, designed to suck up hydrocarbons that enter your intake when shut off. On other vehicles, like Lexus, they are replaceable, on the RAM they are not.

But before you cut the plastic rivets to remove it, probably a good idea to remove the whole box section first, cut the filter out. This way you ensure no foreign material makes it to the engine.

I was able to push the plastic rivets out without cutting it

That's a good question. Piggy-backing on that, has anyone who removed theirs observed any staining on the air filter? I know I didn't on my last Ram. Which now makes me wonder - If Ram thinks that carbon filter is necessary on a regular Ram, why didn't they craft one for the GT's Ram-Air?

The Ram Air intake is a high airflow intake. You can't expect it filter as strong as the regular intake.

Also not sure how you could expect to get "staining on the air filter"
It's literally filtering outside air...

I noticed an increase in mpg removing mine, or my truck just happened to break in at the exact moment I removed it.

 

[IndianaRam]

I removed mine. Just used a large soldering gun to melt the plastic rivets and it came right now.

 

[HemiDude]

GT us a lower volume trim level that doesn't hurt the emissions ratings for entire line up

Sounds reasonable

 

[bigdodge]

If you still have the stock air filter housing just remove the cover and flip it upside down. It's plastic welded/riveted to the underside of the cover. You can pop it out with a small screwdriver

thanks
took mine out

 

[genrev6640]

Manny convinced me to send it back - I popped it out this morning before starting it up and put the factory one back in - I was mostly interested in having a filter that was washable/reusable - but that oiling and worrying about not enough or too much concerned me as well, so I'll just use the paper...

After looking at all of the Chatter and large particles. It sounds like people here wore their masks all the time during the pandemic. Of course your choice. Or NOT, depending upon if you wanted to fly or work or by food. But any hoo. I just saw a "big diaper" on the top side of my air cleaner. I'm from CA, and that's what's restricting air flow. It's there for CARB and also keeps me from getting a CAI like I had on my Trailhawk. I don't see how any "LARGE PARTICLES" are going to get through that thing plus your "K&N". I need more air flow. And K&N are going to do it, unless there is a decent dry filter out there, but I'm used to K&N. I heard the arguments before I saw the video..."good video", but out of context for my application, maybe shock bait.
I'll order today and see what happens when I drive it. I checked the stock filter. It was a mopar maid in mexico. felt heavy.
Not a fan of buying something and then removing it when smog check time comes. Oh...and I don't want to remove the Diaper. probably more headaches. If I was going to do that, I'd might as well buy the AFE CAI and do the deed.
Interesting takes on stuff. I guess when you are over 60 spending near 60K on a vehicle you are a little more conservative, but "Large Particles" I guess.
Peace
Bill
p.s.
Looking for K&N Air filters is like trying to pull cat's hind teeth on this forum.

 

[SD Rebel]

After looking at all of the Chatter and large particles. It sounds like people here wore their masks all the time during the pandemic. Of course your choice. Or NOT, depending upon if you wanted to fly or work or by food. But any hoo. I just saw a "big diaper" on the top side of my air cleaner. I'm from CA, and that's what's restricting air flow. It's there for CARB and also keeps me from getting a CAI like I had on my Trailhawk. I don't see how any "LARGE PARTICLES" are going to get through that thing plus your "K&N". I need more air flow. And K&N are going to do it, unless there is a decent dry filter out there, but I'm used to K&N. I heard the arguments before I saw the video..."good video", but out of context for my application, maybe shock bait.
I'll order today and see what happens when I drive it. I checked the stock filter. It was a mopar maid in mexico. felt heavy.
Not a fan of buying something and then removing it when smog check time comes. Oh...and I don't want to remove the Diaper. probably more headaches. If I was going to do that, I'd might as well buy the AFE CAI and do the deed.
Interesting takes on stuff. I guess when you are over 60 spending near 60K on a vehicle you are a little more conservative, but "Large Particles" I guess.
Peace
Bill
p.s.
Looking for K&N Air filters is like trying to pull cat's hind teeth on this forum.

There are carb legal intakes, but no one's going to inspect your truck until it's 8 years old for the 1st smog test.

And then it's every other year, you potentially can put an intake on that's not carb legal, leave it there until 8 model years later, switch out to OEM, then switch back every couple of years.

Assuming you plan to keep your truck that long.

I had a non-carb compliant intake on my car, and it was never mentioned once by the smog guy, worst case scenario is they pointed out and you have to switch it out before they give you certificate.

 

[Brutal_HO]

After looking at all of the Chatter and large particles. It sounds like people here wore their masks all the time during the pandemic. Of course your choice. Or NOT, depending upon if you wanted to fly or work or by food. But any hoo. I just saw a "big diaper" on the top side of my air cleaner. I'm from CA, and that's what's restricting air flow. It's there for CARB and also keeps me from getting a CAI like I had on my Trailhawk. I don't see how any "LARGE PARTICLES" are going to get through that thing plus your "K&N". I need more air flow. And K&N are going to do it, unless there is a decent dry filter out there, but I'm used to K&N. I heard the arguments before I saw the video..."good video", but out of context for my application, maybe shock bait.
I'll order today and see what happens when I drive it. I checked the stock filter. It was a mopar maid in mexico. felt heavy.
Not a fan of buying something and then removing it when smog check time comes. Oh...and I don't want to remove the Diaper. probably more headaches. If I was going to do that, I'd might as well buy the AFE CAI and do the deed.
Interesting takes on stuff. I guess when you are over 60 spending near 60K on a vehicle you are a little more conservative, but "Large Particles" I guess.
Peace
Bill
p.s.
Looking for K&N Air filters is like trying to pull cat's hind teeth on this forum.

Searching "K&N Air filters" on any forum is fraught with issue.

Use google site search. "K&N Air Filters site:5thgenrams.com"

You'll find all the same posts telling you how bad they are - they truly are sh*tty at filtering air.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Searching "K&N Air filters" on any forum is fraught with issue.

Use google site search. "K&N Air Filters site:5thgenrams.com"

You'll find all the same posts telling you how bad they are - they truly are sh*tty at filtering air.


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Are they really though? Other than people who over oil them and cause issues with sensors, has any K&N filter destroyed an engine? Just the filter itself mind you.

 

[theblet]

Just get the oilless one

Air filter ram 1500

 

[Scram1500]

It was a mopar maid in mexico. felt heavy.

I'm gonna need a picture of this woman

 

[Brutal_HO]

Are they really though? Other than people who over oil them and cause issues with sensors, has any K&N filter destroyed an engine? Just the filter itself mind you.

Might as well knock all the material off a sheet of sandpaper into your intake.

Seriously, K&N filters like a screen door.

 

[bigdodge]

maybe so but i had a k&n on my last truck with almost 130,000 miles spark plugs were like new at every change.

 

[HSKR R/T]

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Might as well knock all the material off a sheet of sandpaper into your intake.

Seriously, K&N filters like a screen door.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[azzx]

It is hot in the PHX area and I have nothing to do, so, I will contribute to this thread!!
My stats with K&N: ( I am not affiliated or get any sweet deals from K&N).
1- Years of using K&N air filters: 42
2- Total number of sports bikes with K&N: 28 ( includes 1 Hyabusa, 4 ZX14Rs, 1 ZX12R, 1 R1, 3 GSXR 1000s, 2 FZ1s, V-Stroms, Bandit 1200, etc. etc. and many more)
3- Total number of dirt bikes: 8
4- Total number of SXS: 3
5- Total number of cars: 8
6- total number of trucks including my 2019 RAM/Hemi: 8 (Hemi had 37,000miles before it was totaled)
7- Vehicles with the highest mileage with K&N air filter with no issues: (Honda Ridgeline 142,000 miles, MX5 Miata with 65.xxx miles, rest had an avg. of 45.xxx miles)
* Bikes had an average of 8000 miles, Cars had an average 50.xxx miles, trucks had an average of 40.xxx miles) before I sold/replaced them.
No issues - I exceeded the maintenance schedule on all.

I have seen/read the reports, some truth about **** going through.
My only issue with K&N: On my 5.4 expedition, I did overoiled it and it did kill the MAF. User error.
with a total of over 50 vehicles, can I tell or notice any performance gains? None!!
It is just a lot easier to clean and reuse.
the only vehicle that I did dyno post install of K&N air charger was my Ford Expedition. (it also had the Gibson catback and performance chip). It gained 14HP - probably from the catback and the chip!

So, my 8 cents (adjusted for inflation) -- if you are after "performance gains" the gains are negligible.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Are they really though? Other than people who over oil them and cause issues with sensors, has any K&N filter destroyed an engine? Just the filter itself mind you.

That doesn't answer my question.

The K&N filter itself wouldn't have destroyed an engine, the dirt it let through very well might.

Don't want to use PF test results to form your own opinion how ineffective a K&N filter is? Have a read here:

k&n air filters www.motorcycleproject.com

Consequences
The gauze filter passes more air by passing more dirt -- much more. Experience has shown that top end wear is increased, but more important and more insidious is bottom end wear because it is not expected and is more serious. Grit in the bottom end wears bearings. More subtly however, it also wears the cam chain. The worn chain results in retarded cam timing, which reduces cylinder compression. Lawsuits have been exerted against OEMs because they deny warranty benefit after determining the customer used a gauze air filter. Gauze filters are not beloved among the Big Four.

Perhaps the Automotive version K&N is different than the gauze pad Motorsports version, but PF flow results indicate it's still sh*t as I originally stated.

We all know that you want to argue as that's your thing regardless of topic or position, but I'm not going to engage with you further on this.

 

[HSKR R/T]

The K&N filter itself wouldn't have destroyed an engine, the dirt it let through very well might.

Don't want to use PF test results to form your own opinion how ineffective a K&N filter is? Have a read here:

k&n air filters www.motorcycleproject.com

Perhaps the Automotive version K&N is different than the gauze pad Motorsports version, but PF flow results indicate it's still sh*t as I originally stated.

We all know that you want to argue as that's your thing regardless of topic or position, but I'm not going to engage with you further on this.

Once again, still didn't answer the question. I have no delusion that it filters just as good as paper filters. I know it doesn't. But really, has anyone actually had an engine that was critically damaged from the reduced filtering of the K&N? Has anyone kept a vehicle, running a K&N filter, long enough to wear any increased engine wear has required them to rebuild the engine? Or been able to actually say, if they hadn't run the filter they wouldn't have needed a rebuild that wasn't just "normal" wear?

 

[SD Rebel]

Well if you're talking about two cycle motors in our 1/5th scale trophy trucks, yeah we've lost engines running K&N filters in sandy conditions, you really have to run foam and oil or pure paper filters in that kind of environment.

In most street conditions, I don't think its an issue, I've never had any issues with them on my street bikes.

The biggest issue are the K&N oem drop ins, that it actually fits in the stock airbox correctly, there are a lot of OEM drop-ins that don't fit snug and air gets past the filter gaskets, I had that happen on my old Grand Cherokee, and 4.6 F150.

If you use a K&N in a street application in a good fitting tight seal air box, you should be fine. You're not getting the best filtration possible in terms of engine longevity, only paper does that, but the performance and reusability may be worth the trade-off for you.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Well if you're talking about two cycle motors in our 1/5th scale trophy trucks, yeah we've lost engines running K&N filters in sandy conditions, you really have to run foam and oil or pure paper filters in that kind of environment.

You don't run pre-filters in those conditions?

 

[SD Rebel]

You don't run pre-filters in those conditions?

Oh yes, we ran pre-filters, but it's just a thin mesh sock that goes over the filter, plenty of areas were fine sand can get past it and then easily past a cotton filter, a few tanks of fuel later you have scoured cylinder walls.

Ideally we run foam filters covered in special light oil and then use marine grease on all the contact points in the air box where sand can get past.

There is a reason why so many guys run brushless electric now in the sand, absolutely no worries about electric motors getting full of sand, besides also being a lot faster. But I like the scale feel and sound of a gasoline motor, but just a pain to operate and maintain in sandy conditions.