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Sorry, I didn't mean to make that sound aggressive, you mentioned that Ford uses turbos and RAM uses superchargers, my only point is that RAM only uses superchargers on a very specific engine that isn't common while the vast majority of their engines are naturally aspirated. The application of forced induction from Ford and RAM isn't on the same level.
Magic made the claim that Ford is smoking Ram in terms of engine tech. But just because Ram chooses to use N/A for most of their engines, that doesn't mean they are being left behind. Clearly, the use of large amounts of v8's, as well as supercharged v8's, shows they have the skill, knowledge, and tech to do this and be more than competitive with Ford. Just because Ford offers more amounts of something (forced induction engines), doesn't mean they have more skill in that area.
"Leaving in the dusty", you mean literally or figuratively? Sure, a TRX will smoke a Raptor (for now). If you mean by modern engine tech, absolutely. Ford has small displacement turbos, hybrids and soon an electric. GM even has a 4-banger turbo and will also have a hybrid and full electric. RAM has what, E-Torque? RAM has already admitted that they are behind in engine tech and are working on catching up. Some talk of an electric I heard, though nothing specific.
I didn't use the phrase "leaving in the dust", that was Magic's phrase that I'm trying to debunk. There is not much difference between etorque and a full on hybrid, other than bigger battery. The etorque battery provides torque at the same time as the engine does, and it's smooth and seamless.
The tire shredding v8's isn't their only party trick, just one of the most desirable ones. I used that example to prove that Ram can do both N/A and forced induction, they are not "catching up" to Ford's use of FI, they surpass them.Tire shredding V8s is cool, but not exactly forward thinking is it? You need more if you are going to stay competitive in the future, unless you just want to be the muscle truck brand and running 3rd fiddle in sales like they have historically.
When I said my 2.7L was a "Jewel", I meant it was a nice motor with good power, efficiency and reliability. But you compare it to a 808 hp motor? I wasn't comparing the most common motor found in the F-series to the least common motor found on FCA vehicles.
We need to define "jewel", because we have different requirements from our engines. Somebody who wants a city truck might find the 2.7 a jewel, somebody who wants a tow rig might find the 2.7 quite inadequate. Someone who wants a demon won't even look at the 2.7. Many people who own the hemi, prefer it over Ford's turbos, despite losing in a 0 to 60. And as for MPG, like I said, it's all over the place and depends on what you're doing with the truck. What defines a "jewel" is different to different people, it has nothing to do with how common it is in a trim. Myself, I would never use the phrase "jewel" for 2.7.
My 2.7L got me 7 mpg better than my 5.7L on the same drive, also faster. But again, as I mentioned earlier, I like my Hemi more because its powerful enough and sounds great. You can love your RAM and still be open minded about the competition. I don't have any brand loyalty, I buy what I feel is the best, and right now that's the RAM. But I can also say they won't stay there for long if they don't start progressing. Heck, GM has a mid-cycle refresh for their Silverados and Sierras, what is RAM doing for 2022?
I'm not brand loyal at all; I've posted my fair share of praise for both GM's drivetrains (which I've said I feel is best in class), as well as Toyota's legendary durability. But Ford does absolutely nothing for me; they look ugly (especially the side rear/bed, just a giant square slab with no curves or muscle lines or styling), use too many turbos, ride jittery, have mediocre interiors (until recently), and cost more than better products. They are lightweight and can get you to 60 slightly faster, if you care about that, which is the last feature I look for in a truck.
Remember, even Ford doesn't trust turbos in their trucks that see real work. They spent millions developing a new big block 7.3 for several reasons. Those same reasons are why I want a hemi and not a 2.7.