Anyone getting a 2025 with the I6 Hurricane?

[RVTRKN]

Nice, let us know how it performs with the rig, do you know the weights? I literally just weighed my 21' Pontoon with my 2020, with both full of fuel. It weighed out at, GCW 10280, trailer axles are 4220, Steer at 3160 and drive at 2900. I'll post the milage, but its a short trip mostly level driving.

 

[RVTRKN]

Here it is.

 

[Ram1500OwnerMaybe]

OK - back to the topic
total miles to date: 489
Took it for a drive to my cabin in northern AZ. Took it easy.
60% of the drive is uphill.
On the way up @ 60-75 MPH got 17 MPG
On the way down @ 60 - 75 MPH ended up with 24 MPG
* my 5.7 Hemi was 2MPG less up or downhill.
Assume mileage will improve with more miles.
Even though I did not floor it, the pick and go is impressive, easy to get over 80MPH in 8th gear!
Miss the Hemi sound! this thing sounds like a swing machine.

The shocks / ride quality feels firmer than my 2019 (then my 2019 had 37K easy miles before her demise!).

Except for few nuances (posted elsewhere) don't have many complaints yet.

Thanks for helping to keep the thread on track.
Good info especially on the pick up and go part as I drive I-95 a lot.

What was the demise of your 2019?

 

[Serpens]

I don't see why there's an issue comparing a supercharged 5.7 to a turbocharged 3.0 I6? They are both modified with boost...no?

No. Only one comes from the factory that way.

Too bad they didn't put direct injection in the Hemi, they could have saved millions over the Hurricane investment.

Ha. That is a major redesign you just asked for, not a simple change at all.

The peeps saying newer DI motors don't have carbon build up issues. Yeah, like I said, those have port and direct injection to keep it clean ( the Hurricane does not). But why do any research before stating an opinion.

The funny part is that it’s YOU who didn’t do enough research. Cars without port injection and only direct injection have been able to avoid excessive carbon buildup for several years now. I’ve lived it - I had to get my 335i’s N54 engine walnut blasted because of carbon build up. Haven’t had to touch any of my BMWs or Mercedes produced after 2015, two of which I’ve kept long term and are putting down the same performance figures at ~90k mi as they did at 15k mi.

Here’s an article for you: Direct Injection Engines and Carbon Deposits - Engine Builder Magazine

 

[RVTRKN]

That article you linked to is very informative on DI engines, but I didn't read that the problem is solved, just variable ways to prevent carbon buildup. The only way we'll know, will be time tested, if it effects the Hurricane motor.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Both engines are blown though, who cares how they come from the factory. The Hurricane benefits from direct injection, air to water intercooler and 2 turbos, so it should have the advantage over my relic. Yet I have more HP/TQ and better MPG than even the overboosted (my 8-9psi vs. 26 psi) H.O. Hurricane with a simple bolt on Procharger and air to air intercooler. Someone said increase your timing and boost and see how long your Hemi lasts....Why? Dumb.

Because one was engineered and built to handle high boost levels, and still has a warranty, and one you have to limit boost to try and stay "safe", plus one still has to meet emissions requirements, and one is custom tuned with no regard to emissions or worries about penalties. But tell me again how they are comparable.

Once the aftermarket catches up with the Hurricane, it won't take much for them to surpass your Hemi. Shoot, a canned tune would probably take the SO to what your boosted Hemi makes. And still be less likely to blow. Then we can have a more fair comparison to with modified vs modified

 

[JExpedition07]

TFL just did their unladen MPG loop. The 3.0 Hurricane S/O was less fuel efficient than both the Ford 5.0L V8 and GM 6.2L V8. Not surprised. Ford 5.0 was the most efficient, the GM 6.2 landed square in the middle of the two, the 3.0 S/O got the worst mileage at 17 combined.

 

[Biga]

The Rebel seems to always get the worst mileage not sure if it is the duratrac tires or what.

 

[JExpedition07]

The Rebel seems to always get the worst mileage not sure if it is the duratrac tires or what.

They made it fair though, all trucks were the off-road versions. Tremor 5.0, AT4 6.2, and Rebel 3.0.

 

[PetePA]

They made it fair though, all trucks were the off-road versions. Tremor 5.0, AT4 6.2, and Rebel 3.0.

Curious what the MPG comparison will look like for the various trim levels vs. ford, etc

 

[Biga]

They made it fair though, all trucks were the off-road versions. Tremor 5.0, AT4 6.2, and Rebel 3.0.

I agree they are all off road versions, I just recall in previous tests the Hemi Rebel also was on the low side.

 

[BowDown]

OK - back to the topic
total miles to date: 489
Took it for a drive to my cabin in northern AZ. Took it easy.
60% of the drive is uphill.
On the way up @ 60-75 MPH got 17 MPG
On the way down @ 60 - 75 MPH ended up with 24 MPG
* my 5.7 Hemi was 2MPG less up or downhill.
Assume mileage will improve with more miles.
Even though I did not floor it, the pick and go is impressive, easy to get over 80MPH in 8th gear!
Miss the Hemi sound! this thing sounds like a swing machine.

The shocks / ride quality feels firmer than my 2019 (then my 2019 had 37K easy miles before her demise!).

Except for few nuances (posted elsewhere) don't have many complaints yet.

TFL just did their unladen MPG loop. The 3.0 Hurricane S/O was less fuel efficient than both the Ford 5.0L V8 and GM 6.2L V8. Not surprised. Ford 5.0 was the most efficient, the GM 6.2 landed square in the middle of the two, the 3.0 S/O got the worst mileage at 17 combined.

See above, actual owner here reporting better than HEMI mpgs with an SO

 

[Serpens]

So according to your very tiny article the newer engines need engine management recalibration, fuel injector cleaner, a catch can (pcv issues) and preventative maintenance that is not really expounded on to FIX the carbon build up issues. Did you even read the article?

I’m sensing a trend. Try to read the article again and also use Google search. I can’t do everything for you. The article did not say newer engines need to be recalibrated, require fuel injector cleaner, and a catch can. It did list things people have done to mitigate the buildup particularly on early DI engines. Recent engines have factory software that prevents excessive buildup from day 1, which is exactly why software updates for older motors is mentioned. They’ve found a way to mitigate the issue. Another fun fact: oil separators are being put to great use in modern engine designs to take care of this issue.

Anecdotally you can even see how people don’t mention this as an issue anymore on forums. Yes some cars are using port and direct injection, but many reliable high performance motors aren’t. That’s just a fact.

Ford changed some motors to port and direct injection, from only direct injection due to carbon deposits....Tons of articles and people on numerous forums discussing direct injection carbon deposit issues even from the last few years. Why do you think carbon deposit cleaning has become so popular and people with direct injection motors install catch cans asap. That's why Ford, Toyota, Mazda and Audi all have port and direct injection motors.

Your information is wildly out of date and I’d love to see these threads complaining about carbon buildup on DI engines from recently introduced engines. As a matter of fact, on many of the forums I hang out on (mostly German) the paranoid folks have found the catch cans actually collect very little oil on these newest engines.

Audi’s 2.0t motor and older 3.0 V6 supercharged have dual injectors, but you know what doesn’t? Their current turbo 3.0 V6 used throughout their lineup and the 4.0 V8 twin turbo. It’s like they’ve found engineering solutions around this or something!

Both engines are blown though, who cares how they come from the factory. The Hurricane benefits from direct injection, air to water intercooler and 2 turbos, so it should have the advantage over my relic. Yet I have more HP/TQ and better MPG than even the overboosted (my 8-9psi vs. 26 psi) H.O. Hurricane with a simple bolt on Procharger and air to air intercooler. Someone said increase your timing and boost and see how long your Hemi lasts....Why? Dumb.

Who cares? Uh…I do. I’ll take the engine engineered to be forced induction from the get go any day. Only one of them is supported from the factory and has undergone the level of durability testing needed for me to trust it. Saying it should have more power than your modified motor makes no sense. One of these engines is able to achieve its power while emitting a fraction of your emissions and comes with a factory warranty. Crazy!

Anyways, they’ve already hinted the Hurricane motor isn’t topped out power wise, so I don’t know why we’re acting like the Hurricane aftermarket or new factory motors won’t appear with time.

Buy a 2025 Ram Hurricane and I'm sure you'll be back here in a few months complaining about all the first year issues your having. You already buy BMW's and we build them here in SC. Very capable track cars, but known to be the least reliable. I know many people that work at the plant that all say they'd never buy one, because they are junk. They allow way too many defects through, while still increasing line speed to keep production numbers high. They say they'll deal with all the defects during warranty. Great!

It’s not a first year motor. Wagoners started shipping with the motor in early 2023.

While you may build or know people who build BMWs, they didn’t work at BMW NA until recently like I did. Warranty claims on the B48 I4, B58 I6 and S58 I6 motors are low. These engines are bulletproof and are celebrated in the aftermarket and within BMW. The S58 I6 has reached over 1000hp with stock internals in the aftermarket. They are easily BMW’s most reliable motor in decades. And guess what? Carbon deposits are not a topic of discussion!

Even consumer reports has been pleased: Consumer Reports: BMW named top pick in overall brand rankings; Subaru top mainstream brand

 

[Gren71]

OK - back to the topic
total miles to date: 489
Took it for a drive to my cabin in northern AZ. Took it easy.
60% of the drive is uphill.
On the way up @ 60-75 MPH got 17 MPG
On the way down @ 60 - 75 MPH ended up with 24 MPG
* my 5.7 Hemi was 2MPG less up or downhill.
Assume mileage will improve with more miles.
Even though I did not floor it, the pick and go is impressive, easy to get over 80MPH in 8th gear!
Miss the Hemi sound! this thing sounds like a swing machine.

The shocks / ride quality feels firmer than my 2019 (then my 2019 had 37K easy miles before her demise!).

Except for few nuances (posted elsewhere) don't have many complaints yet.

This may actually be the very first worth while post in this entire thread...

the rest is just...

 

[Serpens]

Yes, I am grateful azzx chimed in. I hope more owners will share the good, bad, and the ugly soon. I’ll be waiting on my Tungsten forever so might as well enjoy the other posts.

 

[HSKR R/T]

I’m sensing a trend. Try to read the article again and also use Google search. I can’t do everything for you. The article did not say newer engines need to be recalibrated, require fuel injector cleaner, and a catch can. It did list things people have done to mitigate the buildup particularly on early DI engines. Recent engines have factory software that prevents excessive buildup from day 1, which is exactly why software updates for older motors is mentioned. They’ve found a way to mitigate the issue. Another fun fact: oil separators are being put to great use in modern engine designs to take care of this issue.

Anecdotally you can even see how people don’t mention this as an issue anymore on forums. Yes some cars are using port and direct injection, but many reliable high performance motors aren’t. That’s just a fact.



Your information is wildly out of date and I’d love to see these threads complaining about carbon buildup on DI engines from recently introduced engines. As a matter of fact, on many of the forums I hang out on (mostly German) the paranoid folks have found the catch cans actually collect very little oil on these newest engines.

Audi’s 2.0t motor and older 3.0 V6 supercharged have dual injectors, but you know what doesn’t? Their current turbo 3.0 V6 used throughout their lineup and the 4.0 V8 twin turbo. It’s like they’ve found engineering solutions around this or something!



Who cares? Uh…I do. I’ll take the engine engineered to be forced induction from the get go any day. Only one of them is supported from the factory and has undergone the level of durability testing needed for me to trust it. Saying it should have more power than your modified motor makes no sense. One of these engines is able to achieve its power while emitting a fraction of your emissions and comes with a factory warranty. Crazy!

Anyways, they’ve already hinted the Hurricane motor isn’t topped out power wise, so I don’t know why we’re acting like the Hurricane aftermarket or new factory motors won’t appear with time.


It’s not a first year motor. Wagoners started shipping with the motor in early 2023.

While you may build or know people who build BMWs, they didn’t work at BMW NA until recently like I did. Warranty claims on the B48 I4, B58 I6 and S58 I6 motors are low. These engines are bulletproof and are celebrated in the aftermarket and within BMW. The S58 I6 has reached over 1000hp with stock internals in the aftermarket. They are easily BMW’s most reliable motor in decades. And guess what? Carbon deposits are not a topic of discussion!

Even consumer reports has been pleased: Consumer Reports: BMW named top pick in overall brand rankings; Subaru top mainstream brand

Local friend own a X3M and a M3 Comp. Both 2022 models. His X3M with just a tune runs 10s in the 1/4 mile, his M3 Comp was crazy fast before, and over the winter he did a full build on it, but still stock short block, and it's pushing over 900 HP at the wheels. And that's AWD. He praises how easy it is to make power with them.

 

[azzx]

I will post another update since I am back in town and the rest of the tank will be used on stop and go traffic.
On my Hemi I always filled up the tank in Haber, usually got an average of 21MPG coming down to Tempe, then the rest of the tank was used in city driving.
The end result was a drop from 21 to 17MPG by the time I had to fill up again.
Same driving habits repeated at least 100+ trips in 5 years of owning my 2019 Laramie!

 

[Ramboy13]

I will post another update since I am back in town and the rest of the tank will be used on stop and go traffic.
On my Hemi I always filled up the tank in Haber, usually got an average of 21MPG coming down to Tempe, then the rest of the tank was used in city driving.
The end result was a drop from 21 to 17MPG by the time I had to fill up again.
Same driving habits repeated at least 100+ trips in 5 years of owning my 2019 Laramie!

Thanks for the useful, real-world info! I'm wondering how the HO will compare....

 

[RVTRKN]

It’s not a first year motor. Wagoners started shipping with the motor in early 2023.

It is a first year motor in a 1500 application, which will be subjected to a much heavier duty cycle. Most 1/2 ton owners tend to overload their trucks, an example would be buying a light trailer rated at or slightly over GCWR. I've seen many 1/2 ton owners of all brands haul 30' trailers, and I'm sure 1 or two RV manufactures Maybe have a 30'er light enough for a 1/2 ton truck. So no its not already been tested, but next year, and later years, we'll all see how it is doing. I believe what FCA says about the capability of the engine, so MPG and HP/TQ as advertised is all there, its going to be the cost of maintenance and repair thats going to be the biggest issue.

FWIW, comparing real mpg, per @azzx is awesome, assuming his prior Ram with the Hemi had the same gear ratio's and tire diameter. @BowDown, I'm not going back through all the posts, but I'm sure its a small percentage stating the MPG will be worse.

@azzx, thanks for your real time comparisons, its needed for all to see real time info. I bought a 1st year engine, (07 C&C rated 6.7 CTD) and got a lot of info from a early buyer of the same truck, on TDR that really helped in the Nay sayers as well as issues. 1st issue he had was a supposed blown head gasket that was replaced twice, that took Dodge a few attempts to figure out, it turned out to be the EGR was leaking coolant in the combustion chamber, which in turn I went through the scheduled maintenance of the EGR cleaning 20K miles before it was required. New designs, means learning curves for the techs. Which will add to the costs of the new engine, I certainly wouldn't want to do DIY after warranty

 

[azzx]

Same gear ratio (3.92) 33 gal fuel tank. I don't know if the new engine weighs more or less than the Hemi.
I have same add-on options. No leather, 12in screen and few other amenities on my 25 VS. 2019