3.21 vs 3.92: The Last Word

[TreesRule]

And we’re back!

THE Last Word was Post #463

Every thing afterwards are 'reruns'.............

 

[TreesRule]

Indeed, thanks for the laughs; because the 3.21 has a shorter first gear with the ZF than the Tundra with a 4.30, and it has 2 more gears on top of it all. The factual points are, the 3.21 destroys the tundra on 3 key points:
1) shorter first gear (better for off the line pulling)
2) taller overdrive (better MPG when driving unloaded)
3) two more gears for perfect rev matching.

Whatever you're thinking, you need to think again good sir.

Well, i would have to TEST that in real conditions, side-by-side, towing a boat from NJ to Pulaski NY = some looong hills to climb

Pre-22 Tundra destroys RAM ( i love the RAM 1500 ) on real world dependability = turn key and go = and GO FAST!!!

RAM 1500 destroys the Tundra on comfort/drive

Glad that i gave back some lol

 

[2021EcoDiesel]

The other 3.21/3.92 thread got shut down after 3k replies. Wonder how far this one will get lol

 

[silver billet]

Well, i would have to TEST that in real conditions, side-by-side, towing a boat from NJ to Pulaski NY = some looong hills to climb

There is nothing to test, it's a math formula. The v8 tundra with the 6 speed has a first gear ratio of only 3.333 whereas the new Rams have a first gear ratio of 5.

Ram: 5 * 3.21 = 16.05
Tundra: 3.333 * 4.30 = 14.3319

Clearly the Ram digs harder from a stop.

There is literally nothing about the v8 tundra that performs better than the Ram 3.21. The hemi itself already has more power, and it has shorter first gear, taller last gear, more gear ratios to choose from etc. You can also purchase these with 4x4 AUTO, the tundra doesn't even offer that, or a rear locker for that matter. Literally everything is worse in the old tundra. But at least it had tow hooks and a v8, that's more than can be said for the current tundra train wreck.

You can try and make the case about longevity, but two things to remember: the body/rest of the truck isn't going to last longer than the ram, most people only on average 20k miles or so on their car/truck per year which means you'll find many 20+ year old rams still out there, some with very high mileage.

 

[theblet]

The other 3.21/3.92 thread got shut down after 3k replies. Wonder how far this one will get lol

before the lock? who knows lol

 

[Ramroo]

Coming from a 2018 Tundra 5.7 with 4.30 Rear AND driving both the 3.21 and 3.92 Ram 1500 , i would say that the 3.92 is more peppy, defined and stout = similar to my Tundra
Three important traits of a strong work truck - lol

3.21 is great all around use except for the factual points that has been elevated on here.

Thank you-all for the good laughter

Using words like “peppy, defined and stout” , I’m perplexed.

Yoyo words probably, who knows.

I think you should hang out with em boys doing burnouts and taking pics for their women. Marking their territory like a ruttin buck.

 

[Willwork4truck]

the 2025's have 355's why not meet in the middle? whos is gonna be the first to put 355 in a hemi truck?

I posted multiple times that Stellantis should have kept the 3.55 for the hemi. At least its available in the Hurricane.
Peeps like choices...

 

[TreesRule]

There is nothing to test, it's a math formula. The v8 tundra with the 6 speed has a first gear ratio of only 3.333 whereas the new Rams have a first gear ratio of 5.

Ram: 5 * 3.21 = 16.05
Tundra: 3.333 * 4.30 = 14.3319

Clearly the Ram digs harder from a stop.

There is literally nothing about the v8 tundra that performs better than the Ram 3.21. The hemi itself already has more power, and it has shorter first gear, taller last gear, more gear ratios to choose from etc. You can also purchase these with 4x4 AUTO, the tundra doesn't even offer that, or a rear locker for that matter. Literally everything is worse in the old tundra. But at least it had tow hooks and a v8, that's more than can be said for the current tundra train wreck.

You can try and make the case about longevity, but two things to remember: the body/rest of the truck isn't going to last longer than the ram, most people only on average 20k miles or so on their car/truck per year which means you'll find many 20+ year old rams still out there, some with very high mileage.

"math formula" = i always test on pavement
Paper is for the pre-examination of components/cost/price
"There is literally nothing about the v8 tundra that performs better than the Ram 3.21." = lol

Now if we are talking about the 2025 I6 Hurricane, then it just blows away the Tundra and all competition.
i turned away from the New 2025 I6 because of "problems"
Problems that were non-existent on all 3 (Pre-22) Tundra's i owned.

FYI = i SOLD my Tundra to buy a RAM 1500 but NOT because the RAM is better but because i wanted to get into a Crew Cab and i really like the RAM CC

3.92 is better for me as it helps me to keep my speed down on the highway = i was born with a heavy right foot and the I6 presents too many temptations

 

[TreesRule]

Using words like “peppy, defined and stout” , I’m perplexed.

Yoyo words probably, who knows.

I think you should hang out with em boys doing burnouts and taking pics for their women. Marking their territory like a ruttin buck.

Awesome lol reply - thank you

My theory performed flawlessly as those words were chosen just for you AND for all of us to continue the lol on this thread

 

[silver billet]

"math formula" = i always test on pavement
Paper is for the pre-examination of components/cost/price
"There is literally nothing about the v8 tundra that performs better than the Ram 3.21." = lol

The math is the only thing that doesn't lie, or get confused, or have a poor memory etc. The math says the 3.21 is a better truck in every way, so it is.

 

[TreesRule]

The math is the only thing that doesn't lie, or get confused, or have a poor memory etc. The math says the 3.21 is a better truck in every way, so it is.

In theory, on paper, the math always proves true - until flaws show up.

We can theorize on paper with flawless accuracy = on paper

Then comes reality where physics and the law of SELECTION takes over = just like marriage

Divorce ensues when the 'paper' analytics result in malfunction and/or depreciation of that which previously was highly regarded as truth.

Many of us who have driven multiple 'paper' products over the past 40 years have all seen this 'divorce' from perfect paper analytics incorrectly applied to real world manufacturing of said paper perfection.

Conclusion: the last word was in Post #463 and the New Beginning is in the RAM I6 which NEEDS continued 'pavement' APPROVAL design modifications, to which i will remain in a state of equilibrium in a RAM 2022 Hemi, by which the pavement beneath my feet will eat my rubber.
Upon proper supervision of the 'paper' engineering department, the I6 should become the Raquel Welch/Bo Derek of the road.

Note: Marriage is authorized on 'paper' but is consummated in a continual state of 3D, which includes friction that is reduced by proper lubrication of moving parts.

 

[theblet]

In theory, on paper, the math always proves true - until flaws show up.

We can theorize on paper with flawless accuracy = on paper

Then comes reality where physics and the law of SELECTION takes over = just like marriage

Divorce ensues when the 'paper' analytics result in malfunction and/or depreciation of that which previously was highly regarded as truth.

Many of us who have driven multiple 'paper' products over the past 40 years have all seen this 'divorce' from perfect paper analytics incorrectly applied to real world manufacturing of said paper perfection.

Conclusion: the last word was in Post #463 and the New Beginning is in the RAM I6 which NEEDS continued 'pavement' APPROVAL design modifications, to which i will remain in a state of equilibrium in a RAM 2022 Hemi, by which the pavement beneath my feet will eat my rubber.
Upon proper supervision of the 'paper' engineering department, the I6 should become the Raquel Welch/Bo Derek of the road.

Note: Marriage is authorized on 'paper' but is consummated in a continual state of 3D, which includes friction that is reduced by proper lubrication of moving parts.

I don’t think I’m smart enough to read this

 

[Ramroo]

Awesome lol reply - thank you

My theory performed flawlessly as those words were chosen just for you AND for all of us to continue the lol on this thread

I don’t think I’m smart enough to read this

I got you. You posted not long ago that you were fortunate enough to lay some pipe. You mentioned something about a trencher … we understand.
Lubrication helps.
That’s all.

 

[TreesRule]

I don’t think I’m smart enough to read this

Red is not my color of choice EXCEPT the dark red on the RAM

Is that yours??? = BEAUTIFUL RAM

 

[TreesRule]

I got you. You posted not long ago that you were fortunate enough to lay some pipe. You mentioned something about a trencher … we understand.
Lubrication helps.
That’s all.

'laying pipe'

Is that a 'work of art' or 'art at work'?

i guess we could say that the RAM 1500 3.92 is a 'work of art' and when driven it becomes 'art at work'!!!

Of course the female perspective would be 'hard at work'............now for this brief intermission

Of course the enginmeercat would say "that art belongs on paper", to which i sit in the back of the class and fold it into a aerodynamic transport which then sails to the front of the class = ADHD and Boredom are the #1 childhood disease only cured by 4WD RAM, Boats, Fishing Gear and Big Trout/Stripers/Walleye/Salmon/Bass

'Art in motion tends to stay in motion' - especially on four wheels

 

[Ready Go]

The math is the only thing that doesn't lie, or get confused, or have a poor memory etc. The math says the 3.21 is a better truck in every way, so it is.

 

[Scram1500]

Who is this Art fellow?

 

[silver billet]

In theory, on paper, the math always proves true - until flaws show up.

We can theorize on paper with flawless accuracy = on paper

Then comes reality where physics and the law of SELECTION takes over = just like marriage

No. This is what guys who don't understand math like to think, but it is wrong. This isn't marriage where there are feelings and attractions and character flaws.

Example. You have Bob with 2 bottles of 500ml of water, and you have Fred with 1 bottle of 2l of water. You don't need to drink all of it to "test who has more water", you run a simple calculation and discover that despite having 2 bottles, Bob actually has less than Fred.

It's a simple math formula.

 

[TreesRule]

No. This is what guys who don't understand math like to think, but it is wrong. This isn't marriage where there are feelings and attractions and character flaws.

Example. You have Bob with 2 bottles of 500ml of water, and you have Fred with 1 bottle of 2l of water. You don't need to drink all of it to "test who has more water", you run a simple calculation and discover that despite having 2 bottles, Bob actually has less than Fred.

It's a simple math formula.

This is what guys who don't understand math like to think,

but it is wrong.

i agree with = "but it's wrong" when pertaining to "guys who don't understand math like to think" - lol

anywho.............22 RAM 1500 w/3.21 V8 is the SAME "bottle of water" as a 22 RAM 1500 V8 w/3.92

Bob has a RAM 1500 Hemi w/3.21 and Fred has a RAM 1500 w/3.92 = equivalence of biometric design contained within a parameter of mechanicicks
Performance of water coolant system remains EQUAL
Performance of Rear Cosmology is not equal
Performance measurements can, and are, biased within parametrical application dependent upon variables that are contained within the biosphere.

My personal biospheric application of said vehicle is a formulation with applied simulatory prescription.
Your own personal biosphere has parameters unknown to myself but is formulated by that which you are aware of.
Results vary based upon the controlling biosphere content and driver simulation.

Conclusion: Both Bob and Fred are equally correct AND equally argumentative

 

[Ready Go]

My brain hurts..gonna go do me a burnout ===============
(got some wheel hop there)