2025 RAM 1500 BIGHORN 3.0 I HURRICANE twin-turbo, SO, 420HP - check engine light

[OLLIECB]

I just had service completed for this issue at about 700 ish miles. Service advisor when I picked it up said it needed a software update and the check engine light is off now. When I brought it in the advisor stated it was throwing up a misfire on all cylinders code. I said I wanted the code and the high schooler that gave me my keyfob to leave said a tech would call me Monday...allegedly. I hope this isn't a constant issue.

 

[azzx]

Software update can be a possible rootcause. It would be great to know more details about the update.

 

[RVTRKN]

FWIW, I purchased four new model trucks in my life. The first, even though it was a subtle change, it was the first EFI 318 engine in the 92 Dakota, the second was the 94 Ram, and the third was the 07 C&C, the forth was my 2019 CTD had changed over to the new HPFP (CP4.2). That was a major issue for us owners worrying if it would fail at a time you were in the middle of nowhere. There will be minor issues with a new model truck, and I'm sure they'll have it figured out soon.

 

[djaco]

Sigh, also got another code today...2 weeks in, 250 miles on the clock. P059F - active grille shutter. That OBD2 scanner is certainly worth the couple of bucks it cost already.
Will take it in again tomorrow.

I am glad I am only leasing this one...this initial batch of 2025 1500's don't seem on par at all.

 

[Russian Tank]

Progress Update - 07/01/2024​

I received a call from a Stellantis representative assigned to oversee the resolution of my issue. I was informed that the problem has reached the Stellantis Head of Quality, as well as senior managers in RCRM and Engineering. We are currently awaiting the new ignition module, which is expected to arrive at the service center this week.

Stellantis has confirmed full reimbursement for all expenses related to the rental vehicle, including Uber rides to and from Enterprise Car Rental. Additionally, I was informed that they will waive several car payments as compensation for the inconvenience caused.

I have been assured that multiple senior-level managers are now overseeing the resolution process. Overall, this is a positive development.

My Thoughts​

Given the price point and the competitive nature of today's car market, it is imperative to prioritize both quality control and customer support. There should be a standard Service Level Agreement (SLA) specifying the maximum duration a service center can hold a vehicle for issue resolution. Additionally, a clear escalation path for technical problems should be established through customer service.

The quality and mechanical readiness, especially at higher price points, should be an absolute priority. Manufacturers must take all possible steps to enhance both quality and customer experience.

My relatively successful resolution can be attributed to my professional experience documenting and communicating issues as a Project Manager for a major utilities firm. However, not all customers have the persistence or time to engage deeply.

All customers should receive equally excellent treatment.

 

[Ronny208]

I recently purchased a 2025 RAM 1500 BIGHORN 3.0 I HURRICANE twin-turbo with 420HP. With less than 1,000 miles on it, I am incredibly frustrated to have encountered an issue with the check engine light for the second time. Despite using premium gas and driving conservatively, I have had to drop off my truck for service again.

The first time, they ran tests but found nothing. A week later, the light returned, and now my truck is back in service. The lack of online information only adds to my frustration, as I am left without any clear understanding of the cause.

This is a brand-new vehicle, and such issues highlight a significant failure in the QA process. The company must address and resolve this problem promptly. This situation is unacceptable and cannot continue.

I leased a 2025 Ram 1500 Laramie with the 6 cyl twin turbo 420 hp. 6 days old the truck began running rough after starting it and engine light came on. I tool it on and the service lady said and I quote "Oh no, not another one!".

Service Mgr said 1,3 and 5 cylinders aren't firing, its a software issue. Engineers are working on it. He said we've known about this for about 2 weeks but never told me about it when I leased it. Yesterday it sputtered as I tried to merge into traffic! Service Mgr said there's nothing he can do until the solve the software issue.

 

[lonepeak]

Progress Update - 07/01/2024​

I received a call from a Stellantis representative assigned to oversee the resolution of my issue. I was informed that the problem has reached the Stellantis Head of Quality, as well as senior managers in RCRM and Engineering. We are currently awaiting the new ignition module, which is expected to arrive at the service center this week.

Stellantis has confirmed full reimbursement for all expenses related to the rental vehicle, including Uber rides to and from Enterprise Car Rental. Additionally, I was informed that they will waive several car payments as compensation for the inconvenience caused.

I have been assured that multiple senior-level managers are now overseeing the resolution process. Overall, this is a positive development.

My Thoughts​

Given the price point and the competitive nature of today's car market, it is imperative to prioritize both quality control and customer support. There should be a standard Service Level Agreement (SLA) specifying the maximum duration a service center can hold a vehicle for issue resolution. Additionally, a clear escalation path for technical problems should be established through customer service.

The quality and mechanical readiness, especially at higher price points, should be an absolute priority. Manufacturers must take all possible steps to enhance both quality and customer experience.

My relatively successful resolution can be attributed to my professional experience documenting and communicating issues as a Project Manager for a major utilities firm. However, not all customers have the persistence or time to engage deeply.

All customers should receive equally excellent treatment.

Thanks for the information this past few weeks. Indeed you took a very professional approach which resulted in a satisfactory resolution. I learned long ago as you have in your work that keeping records of phone calls, receipts and interactions is the most important thing one can do when anticipating an issue with a vendor/dealer. Log everything and it will pay off as no one responds well to just "I think I talked to so and so sometime last week".

You reached the upper eschelons of management including the QA folks and customer service. I'm hoping putting them on notice and costing them time and money will help trickle down to future vehicles coming off the line. Due to the FCA sale to Stellantis and all the moving parts of layoffs and shifting human resources with Stellantis I think we're all a little concerned about their first year QA process. You've set an example we can all benefit from in the future.

 

[OLLIECB]

I just had service completed for this issue at about 700 ish miles. Service advisor when I picked it up said it needed a software update and the check engine light is off now. When I brought it in the advisor stated it was throwing up a misfire on all cylinders code. I said I wanted the code and the high schooler that gave me my keyfob to leave said a tech would call me Monday...allegedly. I hope this isn't a constant issue.

Four days pass and the check engine light just came on in the morning.....MF-ER!!!!!!

 

[Finnyatf]

Four days pass and the check engine light just came on in the morning.....MF-ER!!!!!!

That is so frustrating!!! Mine is at the dealer now because the light has been on 3x with misfire codes and the truck only has 1500 miles on it.. they acted like they haven’t heard of it happening at all yet..

 

[firecadet613]

Does anyone have a 2025 that hasn't thrown a check engine light yet?

 

[azzx]

1600 miles so far - no light yet

 

[lonepeak]

I doubt dealerships share much information and any common issues won't be discovered until Stellantis managers see a developing and widespread issue and address it. I wonder if dealerships are required to notify Stellantis QA folks of problems they are seeing? If not it doesn't bode well for solutions to individual owners who are having a problem that might not be widespread. It seems widespread here on these threads but we don't know the big picture. Any dealer though should be able to get immediate engineering help for their customer regardless of how common it is. Repeated visits for trouble lights shows a lack of expertise at the dealer and Stellantis.

 

[Whoa_Ram]

I'm at 803 miles right now with no check engine light either.

 

[OLLIECB]

I doubt dealerships share much information and any common issues won't be discovered until Stellantis managers see a developing and widespread issue and address it. I wonder if dealerships are required to notify Stellantis QA folks of problems they are seeing? If not it doesn't bode well for solutions to individual owners who are having a problem that might not be widespread. It seems widespread here on these threads but we don't know the big picture. Any dealer though should be able to get immediate engineering help for their customer regardless of how common it is. Repeated visits for trouble lights shows a lack of expertise at the dealer and Stellantis.

Dealerships definitely do not like these forums. My 2009 Ram 1500 had an A pillar leak that was heavily documented on a Dodge forum from the moon roof. I took the truck back multiple times with eventual pictures of the leak and told them it was all over the forums talking about it. They stated, "you can't believe what you read on those forums." Well they changed out the moon roof after about 4 visits and pictures and no more issues. This 2025 issue they tried to blame on my purchase of gasoline initially...and the advisor stated the misfire on all cylinders code, which is both documented in this thread. I think they just have set blurbs they state to the customers when they don't know what the problem is or better yet the end solution to known problems. I bought a code scanner and I'll post what I get afterwards...F-in Ehh Cotton...

 

[azzx]

Dealerships definitely do not like these forums. My 2009 Ram 1500 had an A pillar leak that was heavily documented on a Dodge forum from the moon roof. I took the truck back multiple times with eventual pictures of the leak and told them it was all over the forums talking about it. They stated, "you can't believe what you read on those forums." Well they changed out the moon roof after about 4 visits and pictures and no more issues. This 2025 issue they tried to blame on my purchase of gasoline initially...and the advisor stated the misfire on all cylinders code, which is both documented in this thread. I think they just have set blurbs they state to the customers when they don't know what the problem is or better yet the end solution to known problems. I bought a code scanner and I'll post what I get afterwards...F-in Ehh Cotton...

I Agree with the highlighted comment.
Getting info on the revised trailer brake controller for my truck (I tried 3 local and 4 dealers from other states) was eye-opening for me. None of them had a clue about the changes on 2025 wiring, etc.
My dealer did not figure it out until they "actually" called the RAM engineering support.

 

[lonepeak]

A lot of industries and occupations have required continuing education. I know BMW and even my Spyder dealer does. I guess Stellantis just hopes for the best and their dealer techs do the best they can with no formal training on new models coming out and common solutions.

Dealers don't like these forums probably because it shows their ignorance about common problems and the fact us roadies solve problems and at least define them for the dealer. The reason we need OBD2s to get them on the right track and share the info on these threads.

 

[larryinokc]

Latest update as of 6/28/2024, 11:00 AM CST

I received a call from Stellantis Customer Care & Experience, Executive Referrals Manager, inquiring about my issue. Stellantis's manager stated that he would contact the service and get a detailed report on this check engine light issue and cover my driving costs while my truck was in service. Also, the manager has stated that he will call me back on Monday with the next steps.

I think I got through, and the system is bothered by the fact that I've Tweeted several public statements tagging Stellanis corporate and #RAMfail, as well as their entire executive team.

I hate to complain, but I need to eat.

Also, Stellantis was especially concerned that the truck was released back to me the first time I dropped it off with stored (not active) misfiring codes without a comprehensive resolution. I hope nobody gets fired cuz it is getting nasty.

Wow, just wow. My CEL has come on, and stayed on 4 times in 3 weeks. It came on and turned itself off once, so we're talking 5 times total. The same codes keep showing up, some kind of cam position sensor, and the dealer insists on blaming the LED non-error tail light bulbs I installed, which it total BS. Any bulb related issues report to the BCM, not the PCM but I'm stupid, what do I know. At least that's the way they treat me. I'm getting fed up with the continuing issue, but at least the dealer gives me a loaner. It's laughable that when they plug into the OBD port, a great big giant banner appears before anything else "ATTENTION! NON-FACTORY TAIL LIGHT BULBS DETECTED" I point blank asked the service writer if the non-factory bulbs had anything to do with the PCM spitting out codes, and he begrudgingly admitted no. Gimme a break already. I've owned 5 Rams , 6 including this one, since 2010, all from the same dealer, and all with Hemi's, except for my 3500, and it has a Cummins. None of them have ever been in the shop for anything other than regular maintenance, but this new one...I can't keep it out of the shop. I'm beginning to regret buying this truck, as it appears to be plagued with gremlins. They cleared the codes again last Friday, and so far the light hasn't come back on. Watch, I probably just jinxed myself after saying that. Oklahoma has a pretty strict lemon law. If the CEL comes on 4 times within a 12 month period, the vehicle is considered a lemon if the issue hasn't been addressed. Maybe all the horror stories I've been reading about Stellantis aren't too far off the mark after all. If it happens again, I'm going to give them a choice...either give me a new truck, or give me my money back, and I'll go buy a Ford. (Sorry for that nasty 4 letter F word)

 

[Russian Tank]

Another malfunction just appeared out of the blue:

Truck makes three beeps sequencing, not sure why or what it supposed to mean.

 

[firecadet613]

Another malfunction just appeared out of the blow:
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Truck makes three beeps sequencing, not sure why or what it supposed to mean.

IMO, figure out how to get out of that truck!

 

[larryinokc]

Another malfunction just appeared out of the blue:
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Truck makes three beeps sequencing, not sure why or what it supposed to mean.

Sounds like your truck is in the same category as mine....junk. It's not like these are brand new engines or technology. The Grand Wagoneer has been using them for a couple of years, and the Alfa Romero SUV has been using them for quite some time. Personally, I think the issue(s) are in the wiring system and/or sub-par PCM. I could understand if these mystery issues were limited to just a few trucks, but it seems like more of the new Rams develop the same problems, than don't. That boils down to quality control. Stellantis needs to get their s$&t together and issue a recall.