2025 Manufacturing Observations

[Pikeman_66]

Call your dealer ASAP.
We received a memo that they MUST change Level 1 A69 to Level A A79 just yesterday morning.
This is why all the later orders, who had Level A, are getting scheduled before the earlier orders, Level 1.
The only difference is the autonomous parking was removed from Level 1, creating Level A.
At first they were going to allow customers to wait for it to become available, but then the instructions changed to "cancel the item or cancel the order" essentially.

thanks Anthony,
so that means I have to start over in the process? very frustrating.

 

[AnthonyRI]

thanks Anthony,
so that means I have to start over in the process? very frustrating.

No it should get scheduled asap once that change is made.
Ours were submitted yesterday, I don't see any results yet today though.

 

[Pikeman_66]

No it should get scheduled asap once that change is made.
Ours were submitted yesterday, I don't see any results yet today though.

thank you! I sent the additional info to my Salesman and I will be stopping by there after work to see what going on.
Much appreciated!!

 

[Ski Bum]

Call your dealer ASAP.
We received a memo that they MUST change Level 1 A69 to Level A A79 just yesterday morning.
This is why all the later orders, who had Level A, are getting scheduled before the earlier orders, Level 1.
The only difference is the autonomous parking was removed from Level 1, creating Level A.
At first they were going to allow customers to wait for it to become available, but then the instructions changed to "cancel the item or cancel the order" essentially.

Thanks for the info / update! I noticed on my Laramie order with Advanced Safety Group II that there was a similar change due to the autonomous parking, but my order properly reflected the change so hopefully is progressing. It would have been nice to get a reduction in price given a feature was removed through...

 

[AnthonyRI]

Thanks for the info / update! I noticed on my Laramie order with Advanced Safety Group II that there was a similar change due to the autonomous parking, but my order properly reflected the change so hopefully is progressing. It would have been nice to get a reduction in price given a feature was removed through...

It's an $80 change on the limiteds lol

 

[Ski Bum]

It's an $80 change on the limiteds lol

Interesting...I would have expected that feature to cost more. Can't even get rubber floor mats for $80....

 

[Pikeman_66]

Interesting...I would have expected that feature to cost more. Can't even get rubber floor mats for $80....

its probably just software if you want to know the truth of it.

 

[AnthonyRI]

Interesting...I would have expected that feature to cost more. Can't even get rubber floor mats for $80....

Well . . . . it certainly would cost more to add it, but this is the price to remove it.
You know if you book a round trip flight, but then never get on the return flight, they charge you an extra $200 cancellation fee? For not getting on the plane!?
But I digress.

 

[Utahjazzman]

I have a rebel X on order but has level 2 equipment group, advanced safety group. Do I need to contact my dealer?

 

[AnthonyRI]

I have a rebel X on order but has level 2 equipment group, advanced safety group. Do I need to contact my dealer?

No, shouldn't be effected.
In a REBEL the autonomous parking was in the Advanced Safety GRoup ALP.
If you have adv safety, you'll need to have ALQ instead of ALP.
Unrelated to your level 1/2 on Rebel.

 

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[Utahjazzman]

Thank you Anthony

 

[PetePA]

Here are some charts that I wanted to put together before SHAP ramps back up this week.

Note that they haven't been adding anything. For example, the total trucks "in transit" or "being build" before they shut down was 14,000. The total trucks "in transit" or "being built" today is 6,242.

That said, I'd interpret the changes over the last month differently. For example, the drop in Big Horn is likely due to SHAP shipping a bunch out that they had in inventory.

Since they haven't been building anything, the "Year.JPG" is interesting as it shows that 2025 MY is selling only slightly more than 2024 model year. If anyone is curious, I could do some quick math and figure out sales rate. For 2024, the average is down to 149 trucks per day. However, it's slowing as inventory of 2024s drop. This is probably due to two things - 1. There are more and more 2025s available. 2. As inventory of 2024 drops, people are less likely to find the truck they want on their local dealer's lot.

 

[dcchris311]

So when should we start seeing an up tick in production now that SHAP should be back online?

 

[PetePA]

So when should we start seeing an up tick in production now that SHAP should be back online?

I'm guessing mid-week, maybe Thursday at the latest? I heard that the plant shutdown was anywhere from 3 to 3.5 weeks, with 3.5 weeks being roughly tomorrow. Either way, I'm sure it will take them a couple of days to get their bearings after a 3+ week outage.

As of today, no change on their website.

 

[jonusko]

It does look like whatever was holding up the higher-level trims has been resolved. My Laramie with Level 2 and ASG II was built in April but held at SHAP until this morning. I suspected it was a software issue since it was fully built but not shipped. Whatever the reason, it's on its way now.
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Well, that didn't work out. Since I ordered, I have been trying to nail down a price with the dealer. I heard multiple excuses for seven months. With the truck arriving this week, I demanded a price. He still didn't want to give me one until it was on the lot because the price could change if it were July or August. Out of curiosity, I checked with Mark Dodge and Granger Motors. Mark Dodge came back quickly with almost $12K off MSRP and a locked-in rebate. I told my dealer it was BS he couldn't give me a price. He eventually gave in and said $4K off MSRP was the best he could do. He wouldn't work with me on a little better price and blamed me. I said we were done and ordered the same truck through Mark Dodge. What a difference, no hassle at all. Ashley was so easy to work with, and of course, the price was amazing. The only reason I went with Mark Dodge over Granger was the possible road trip to NOLA. The quotes were basically the same. Both dealers are amazing. Even though I am starting from scratch on the ordering, I feel so much better not buying from that dealer.

 

[Beachumz]

Well they are for sure making the Rebels again! Just no Level 2 equipment groups yet! Nationwide numbers between past 2 days.

 

[TroyJonesSF]

Well they are for sure making the Rebels again! Just no Level 2 equipment groups yet! Nationwide numbers between past 2 days.

I think they are counting about every Ram truck in the category of "near matches."

 

[TroyJonesSF]

Ram sold 223,000 full size pickups last year. I can't find the number of Rebels but it likely around 15,000 as according to the charts they are between 5-10% of monthly production.

 

[JLUR_]

No, shouldn't be effected.
In a REBEL the autonomous parking was in the Advanced Safety GRoup ALP.
If you have adv safety, you'll need to have ALQ instead of ALP.
Unrelated to your level 1/2 on Rebel.

Hey Anthony, I have an order in with MD for a Laramie with Level 2 and ALQ. It was ordered on 7/10. Just wanted to make sure that I don't need to reach out any have anything changed on the order. Thanks for the heads up!