2022 Toyota Tundra

[ferraiolo1]

People are just willing to go into more senseless debt over a longer term just to have the latest and greatest.

I can’t believe how many TRX trucks are running around my some what little area, and I know the dealers are charging around 20k over msrp.


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[Moparian]

I also heard there is huge waiting list on the new Tundra to the point that people might not see trucks for a year or two. Sounds like the Bronco fiasco to me. If these gas prices keep going up the way they are I have a feeling that the truck and large SUV market will crash again(like it did the last time gas got up to $4-5/gal) and you'll see those huge discounts return. Otherwise I think the days of the massive discounts are gone especially with the electrification that all the OEMs are committed to. Certainly an interesting time right now.

 

[Idahoktm]

The Toyota dealership in town has two 2022's for sale. It appears they are selling them at MSRP. I pulled up the window sticker for one of them to look at the upgrades you get for $58k. Typical Toyota...you don't get much bang for your buck. I haven't paid attention to the EPA info for V6 engines, but I thought the numbers would be much better than this. IMO, there's no advantage to getting a turbo charged V6 if you're only getting 1-2 mpg better than a V8.

 

[WXman]

A few flaws in your statements above:

1. Any new, highly anticipated vehicle will be sold at MSRP or higher if in limited supply
2. The supply chain issues have created a monster with dealers having the ability, based on extremely low inventory, to sell with a market adjustment (and people are paying it which further reinforces the fact they can get away with it)
3. I would never buy a first year redesign unless you are willing to take the year-1 risks and you're ok with "bugs" that need to be worked out (2019 perfect example case in point)
4. Once the supply chain debacle is "over", and dealers in 2023 have a ton of vehicles on their lots (hopefully), pricing may go back to "normal"
5. My plan is to wait until the winter of 2022, or spring of 2023 and look at all of the new trucks available and their supply status

I will be looking closely at the following:

• Tundra
• Chevrolet Silverado ZR2
• GMC Sierra AT4X & Denali Ultimate
• RAM Limited
• Ford Lightning
• Rivian R1T

As long as I can get what I want, and it's under $80K (invoice or close to invoice), 2023 will be my next truck model year. If I have to, I'll wait until 2024 as there is no rush.

1. It's a pickup truck not a Ferrari. A standard run-of-the-mill pickup truck should never be sold at mark-up. Especially when it's a Toyota that will be sold for the next 15-20 years unchanged.
2. You're right, the idiots who buy them are the reason it happens. ALL of the domestic brands are selling below MSRP still. There's a guy on the Ram HD forum selling from his dealership at 4% under invoice right now.
3. True, when the current Tundra came out in 2004 it was riddled with issues. Crank shafts, rear ends, etc...
4. We can only hope there's a normal again!
5. I'm leasing myself, so in a couple years I'll have to do something. Will probably go Ram HD if they finally do a 5th gen body for those!

 

[Eighty]

People are just willing to go into more senseless debt over a longer term just to have the latest and greatest.

I can’t believe how many TRX trucks are running around my some what little area, and I know the dealers are charging around 20k over msrp.


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You would probably be surprised to know how many people are ordering TRX’s at $10k below MSRP. And not everyone goes into debt to buy a new truck.

 

[securityguy]

The Toyota dealership in town has two 2022's for sale. It appears they are selling them at MSRP. I pulled up the window sticker for one of them to look at the upgrades you get for $58k. Typical Toyota...you don't get much bang for your buck. I haven't paid attention to the EPA info for V6 engines, but I thought the numbers would be much better than this. IMO, there's no advantage to getting a turbo charged V6 if you're only getting 1-2 mpg better than a V8.

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This looks like a nice and well equipped truck to me for $59K. Everyone is selling trucks at MSRP or beyond.

 

[djevox]

I bet it actually gets the mpg estimate.

 

[Idahoktm]

I bet it actually gets the mpg estimate.

Oh snap? My Ram exceeds the EPA estimate, so I expect the Tundra will also, but that's not the point. I just looked up the 2021 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and it has a buttload more power and torque and it has better EPA #'s.

 

[djevox]

Oh snap? My Ram exceeds the EPA estimate, so I expect the Tundra will also, but that's not the point. I just looked up the 2021 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and it has a buttload more power and torque and it has better EPA #'s.

I’m not getting sucked into that again, but I’m happy you get good mpg’s

 

[Idahoktm]

I’m not getting sucked into that again, but I’m happy you get good mpg’s

You're the one challenging the EPA estimates. I'm the one that got sucked into your argument. I don't blame you for bowing out...no sense in going 0-2.

 

[djevox]

You're the one challenging the EPA estimates. I'm the one that got sucked into your argument. I don't blame you for bowing out...no sense in going 0-2.

I see why devildodge doesn’t spend much time here anymore

 

[Idahoktm]

I see why devildodge doesn’t spend much time here anymore

Come on...you had to figure I'd respond to your snarky meme. Don't take it so personal, it's just internet bantering.

 

[Hydroblueguy]

A few flaws in your statements above:

1. Any new, highly anticipated vehicle will be sold at MSRP or higher if in limited supply
2. The supply chain issues have created a monster with dealers having the ability, based on extremely low inventory, to sell with a market adjustment (and people are paying it which further reinforces the fact they can get away with it)
3. I would never buy a first year redesign unless you are willing to take the year-1 risks and you're ok with "bugs" that need to be worked out (2019 perfect example case in point)
4. Once the supply chain debacle is "over", and dealers in 2023 have a ton of vehicles on their lots (hopefully), pricing may go back to "normal"
5. My plan is to wait until the winter of 2022, or spring of 2023 and look at all of the new trucks available and their supply status

I will be looking closely at the following:

• Tundra
• Chevrolet Silverado ZR2
• GMC Sierra AT4X & Denali Ultimate
• RAM Limited
• Ford Lightning
• Rivian R1T

As long as I can get what I want, and it's under $80K (invoice or close to invoice), 2023 will be my next truck model year. If I have to, I'll wait until 2024 as there is no rush.

The new tundra and zr2 will be at top of my list in 2 years! Also when talking about first year purchases! I did it with a 19 ram and it was a lemon! Now that being said , yes to be expected! However many of the issues from 2018 the all new 19 ram still exist today, this is the reason I might avoid ram, even though the new rams were the nicest trucks on the road, in my opinion they had and still have the most issues and unresolved issues! Maybe because of Covid???

 

[SD Rebel]

The Toyota dealership in town has two 2022's for sale. It appears they are selling them at MSRP. I pulled up the window sticker for one of them to look at the upgrades you get for $58k. Typical Toyota...you don't get much bang for your buck. I haven't paid attention to the EPA info for V6 engines, but I thought the numbers would be much better than this. IMO, there's no advantage to getting a turbo charged V6 if you're only getting 1-2 mpg better than a V8.

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It's well known here that Rebels don't come close to the window sticker mpg, something laughable like 15 city / 22 highway, more like 12 city / 17 highway. Of course that's because FCA was a bit checky in that they blanket stated the EPA ratings on all RAM 1500s. They used an 18" street tired truck with 3.21 rear axle for the EPA mpg cycle, but they stuck that same sticker on 33" A/T tire Rebels with 3.91 rear axles. Knowing full well that they won't come close to that in the real world. Even GM adjusted the mpg down on their Trail Boss models.

The window sticker you posted has the TRD package with A/T tires, I'm assuming 33". If it manages to hit those estimates in the real world, it's quite a bit better than an equivalent Rebel.

 

[Fatherof3]

Going by Toyota's track record on new gen Tundras I wouldn't get one until they've had time to work out the bugs . 2000 - 2006 was the first Gen and they had the frame rot issue .
2007 - 2013 they had the Air Injection pump issue and cam tower leaks
2014 - 2021 ( just a refresh ) They have the bed rot issue , needle bearing issue and cam tower leaks .
Just MHO .

 

[Scram1500]

Going by Toyota's track record on new gen Tundras I wouldn't get one until they've had time to work out the bugs . 2000 - 2006 was the first Gen and they had the frame rot issue .
2007 - 2013 they had the Air Injection pump issue and cam tower leaks
2014 - 2021 ( just a refresh ) They have the bed rot issue , needle bearing issue and cam tower leaks .
Just MHO .

 

[brian42]

Even though I had a slew of issues with my RAM nothing was earth-shattering or required a tow. It's a 2019 and is the first year of a new generation so I knew I was in for some choppy seas. I would have waited except my truck was totaled and I had 2 weeks to get my next vehicle so I rolled the dice as the RAM was the only new 1/2 ton truck that I remotely liked.

While I've enjoyed my truck it has frustrated me at times. This is my first foray into all this on-board technology (my last truck was a 2003 Ford F-250 with 3 computer modules and the only digital displays were the odometer and radio station) so that contributes to my consternation but the biggest detractor has been my dealership interactions. Out of the 6 dealerships in my area there is only one that I take my truck to for work. Pretty sad that 83% of the dealerships in a metropolitan area are worthless and I wouldn't trust them to watch my dog for an afternoon.

That being said there's no way I'm going back to leaf springs after this. I will "suffer" with RAMs in my driveway until the other's catch up. Ford's Raptor is converting and so is the new Tundra. I'd consider the Tundra but I'm not a fan of the elitist attitude I've encountered at their dealerships. If I'm not enamored with every truck they show me I get the "if you don't buy this truck at full price someone probably will later today" attitude (and that was pre-COVID when there was ample inventory on the lots).

While I think Toyota makes great vehicles (I've had a couple in the past) you get a lot more for your dollar with RAM.

 

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[grimreefer]

I've never liked the looks of the Tundras, but good god that thing is fugly on a whole new level.

 

[brian42]

A light bar to underline the brand name on the grill ??!!? It can't be much more than that if it can be used on-road and meet the maximum light output limitations with the low beams. Talk about excess...and more stuff to power, wire, and break.

Listening to that guy makes me want to not buy anything he talks about. He reminds me of a salesman years ago that thought I would be "hooked" by the fact that the vehicle I was interested in was the same color as the one on the cover of the informational brochure.