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2022 RAM 1500

The new Grand Cherokee L (long? large?), the 3 row guy, is a 2021 model year. They will continue to produce the old WK2 style 2-row as a 2021, they said releasing the new 2-row later this year. My bet is they announce the new 2-row WL Grand Cherokee as a 2022 in Q2/Q3.

My wife was a Grand Cherokee girl, and while I like the new ones, she isn't sold. Now she's thinking maybe a Wrangler 392, which means $$$. :(

Traditionally, FCA likes to hold back their refreshes to every 4 years or so for Rams it seems. That would mean 2023, as others have stated. Heck, although there were minor upgrades throughout, the 4th gen Ram went 5 years without a refresh towards the end (2013-2018). I'm betting and hoping we don't see any refresh until at least 2023, as I'd like to continue to have the newest/latest truck until at least then. But thats just me being selfish.

While Ford stepped up the initial quality in the 2021, especially interior-wise, many over the web say Ram is still slightly ahead. Edmunds tends to like the new shiny things, so yeah...
As others have said, I'm waiting for the problems to show up. Ford has been really botching the launch of new vehicles recently, lots of quality control issues. They tried to remedy that with all the "early model" 2021 F-150s sitting in all those lots around Detroit, waiting for final parts/quality inspections/etc., but we'll see.
 
MeOff said:
My 08' had the column shift. 19' has rotary shift. I've gotten used to it, but miss the "Manlyness" of shift and a TRUCK should be Manly! Just say'n.
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I have gotten very used to my rotary shifter too. However, I do miss a nice manly console shifter like they're putting in the new 21 F-150 and TRX...not a fan of column shifters.
 
securityguy said:
I have gotten very used to my rotary shifter too. However, I do miss a nice manly console shifter like they're putting in the new 21 F-150 and TRX...not a fan of column shifters.
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Hey Security guy. I too, like the console shift on the F-150. Good to hear another guy say they miss the Manlyness of shifting their truck. Like so many other things, we adapt.
 
IvoryHemi said:
Wow that really disappointing to hear about the HD cab. What’s the rationale behind that?
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I think they are focusing on the Ford philosophy, if it ain't broke don't fix it. (Super Duty). Besides HDs don't have the emissions, regulations, or safety rules like the half-ton models.
 
iLikeTurtles said:
Nothing better than grabbing a nice thick stalk shifter when you want to feel manly. Or feel a man.
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It's not about the shape, it's about the rugged and obvious feedback of large controls, especially in a truck where many people have gloves etc. The dial shifter is too soft and feminine and delicate. It's also very closely positioned to two other controls (radio + fan) which do different things, and it may take a while before muscle memory is able to detect which one is which 100% of the time, especially when you're in a hurry or somewhat distracted.

From a design perspective; it is literally everything we were taught NOT to do in my design classes. This design shouldn't have even left the lab.

I don't mind it now, and it won't affect my decision to buy another ram or not, but it's been almost 2 years of getting used to it. It's a shifter, something as important and as simple as a shifter shouldn't take "getting used to".

I will say: it's still better than the new Yukon push button, what a horrid implementation.
 
silver billet said:
It's not about the shape, it's about the rugged and obvious feedback of large controls, especially in a truck where many people have gloves etc. The dial shifter is too soft and feminine and delicate. It's also very closely positioned to two other controls (radio + fan) which do different things, and it may take a while before muscle memory is able to detect which one is which 100% of the time, especially when you're in a hurry or somewhat distracted.

From a design perspective; it is literally everything we were taught NOT to do in my design classes. This design shouldn't have even left the lab.

I don't mind it now, and it won't affect my decision to buy another ram or not, but it's been almost 2 years of getting used to it. It's a shifter, something as important and as simple as a shifter shouldn't take "getting used to".

I will say: it's still better than the new Yukon push button, what a horrid implementation.
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How many vehicles even have direct shift linkages anymore? User "feel" is subjective.

This reminds me of the engineer vs the architect. Which one gets credit?

I perfer function over form. I have a huge center console to thank for their design which I prefer.
 
silver billet said:
It's not about the shape, it's about the rugged and obvious feedback of large controls, especially in a truck where many people have gloves etc. The dial shifter is too soft and feminine and delicate. It's also very closely positioned to two other controls (radio + fan) which do different things, and it may take a while before muscle memory is able to detect which one is which 100% of the time, especially when you're in a hurry or somewhat distracted.

From a design perspective; it is literally everything we were taught NOT to do in my design classes. This design shouldn't have even left the lab.

I don't mind it now, and it won't affect my decision to buy another ram or not, but it's been almost 2 years of getting used to it. It's a shifter, something as important and as simple as a shifter shouldn't take "getting used to".

I will say: it's still better than the new Yukon push button, what a horrid implementation.
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So what I'm hearing from you is you want a bigger knob.... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
Actually, no. Like in most areas of life, it's far better to be average than on one extreme or the other.

But getting back to the shifter; the GM "traditional shifter" is not mechanical either, yet I still prefer that over the Ram dial.
 
2022 getting the 10.1” screen might be worth waiting 6 months to get. So long as it still keeps physical buttons like the 8.4” setup does
 
silver billet said:
It's not about the shape, it's about the rugged and obvious feedback of large controls, especially in a truck where many people have gloves etc. The dial shifter is too soft and feminine and delicate. It's also very closely positioned to two other controls (radio + fan) which do different things, and it may take a while before muscle memory is able to detect which one is which 100% of the time, especially when you're in a hurry or somewhat distracted.

From a design perspective; it is literally everything we were taught NOT to do in my design classes. This design shouldn't have even left the lab.

I don't mind it now, and it won't affect my decision to buy another ram or not, but it's been almost 2 years of getting used to it. It's a shifter, something as important and as simple as a shifter shouldn't take "getting used to".

I will say: it's still better than the new Yukon push button, what a horrid implementation.
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Agreed, as much as I liked the dial shifter initially, it does feel a little feminine, and it’s def close to other controls, which does make it easier to make a mistake if you’re in a hurry. Your comments are spot on brother, coming from a fellow design professional.
Having said that, I still like the design, maybe a slight rearranging of the controls could be the winner.
 
Laughing at all these knuckleheads complaining about the dial being less manly. I wonder if they bitched about vehicles moving to a push button ignition. I can already hear them now: "I feel like a man when I put the key in the ignition and turn it. This push button doohickey is for the ladies."

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PostPremium said:
Laughing at all these knuckleheads complaining about the dial being less manly. I wonder if they bitched about vehicles moving to a push button ignition. I can already hear them now: "I feel like a man when I put the key in the ignition and turn it. This push button doohickey is for the ladies."

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A shifter needs strong, noticable feedback. It's an important control, and it should have feedback in proportion to its significance. You don't want some light/plasticy control where you can't tell what its doing. I noticed you picked the silliest word we chose to describe it, to get your laughs and try to deride the argument, but it is the truth regardless. It is way too soft and feminine and delicate. Not because I'm a man and I need manly controls, but because the shifter is an important control that needs to be differentiated from the other soft and feminine controls already there, such as the volume and fan controls.

Incidentally, Ram did screw up with the ignition too, but that's a whole other can of worms.
 
silver billet said:
A shifter needs strong, noticable feedback. It's an important control, and it should have feedback in proportion to its significance. You don't want some light/plasticy control where you can't tell what its doing. I noticed you picked the silliest word we chose to describe it, to get your laughs and try to deride the argument, but it is the truth regardless. It is way too soft and feminine and delicate. Not because I'm a man and I need manly controls, but because the shifter is an important control that needs to be differentiated from the other soft and feminine controls already there, such as the volume and fan controls.

Incidentally, Ram did screw up with the ignition too, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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I agree with you, but isn't the dial shifter made of aluminum? I feels pretty substantial to me, though small. But I get a quality and tangible tactile feel in it's operation.
 
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