2021 Ford F-150 vs. Ram 1500 and Chevrolet Silverado 1500: Back at It Again...We find out, once and for all, who makes the best pickup truck. For now.

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2021 Ford F-150 vs. Ram 1500, Chevy Silverado 1500: Back at It Again

We find out, once and for all, who makes the best pickup truck. For now.

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[IvoryHemi]

They screwed up the payload number for Ram.

Lists 1,840 lbs yet it had a 5,960 lb curb weight? That means it was actually only 1,140 lbs

 

[thedream829]

RAM reigns supreme!

 

[GKIII]

They screwed up the payload number for Ram.

Lists 1,840 lbs yet it had a 5,960 lb curb weight? That means it was actually only 1,140 lbs

Payload is accurate, curb weight is not.

 

[IvoryHemi]

Payload is accurate, curb weight is not.

Nope.

1,840 lbs is for a base Tradesman.

Payload for a Laramie with leather, MFT, Ram Boxes, 33 gallon tank, etc is going to be significantly lower

 

[GKIII]

Nope.

1,840 lbs is for a base Tradesman.

Payload for a Laramie with leather, MFT, Ram Boxes, 33 gallon tank, etc is going to be significantly lower

Base tradesman payload is ~1200 lbs in the most stripped down form of the truck. All other 5th gens have a significantly higher payload rating.

Try this:

https://www.ramtrucks.com/BodyBuilder/service/Image?imageId=MtQrP%2FFqLY5r%2Fest8MtGjGgHzAHGUTU0WB3rWuqSY7YmQ2vEhuBWBONjPJTiLoD5%0A

 

[devildodge]

@IvoryHemi is correct.

Wow. To think a tradesman would have less payload than a Laramie. And I am curious how one thinks that.

 

[devildodge]

Ugh. We need a pop up to tell us a link is a PDF.

 

[devildodge]

They screwed up the payload number for Ram.

Lists 1,840 lbs yet it had a 5,960 lb curb weight? That means it was actually only 1,140 lbs

As usual. They went by the charts. Atleast TFL knows better.

Going on 4 years now trying to explain this on this site alone.

 

[IvoryHemi]

Base tradesman payload is ~1200 lbs in the most stripped down form of the truck. All other 5th gens have a significantly higher payload rating.

Try this:

https://www.ramtrucks.com/BodyBuilder/service/Image?imageId=MtQrP%2FFqLY5r%2Fest8MtGjGgHzAHGUTU0WB3rWuqSY7YmQ2vEhuBWBONjPJTiLoD5%0A

Those weights are all for the Tradesman trim level

The 1,200 lbs listed is for a 3.6/3.21/4x2/QC

It lists 1,860 lbs for a 5.7/3.21/4x4/CC ... which again doesn’t include leather, MFT, Ram Boxes, 33 gallon tank, etc. All those items lower the payload #

 

[GKIII]

Those weights are all for the Tradesman trim level

The 1,200 lbs listed is for a 3.6/3.21/4x2/QC

It lists 1,860 lbs for a 5.7/3.21/4x4/CC ... which again doesn’t include leather, MFT, Ram Boxes, 33 gallon tank, etc. All those items lower payload

Yes, that 6.2L Supercharged motor is thrown in there for ****s and giggles. This is an all inclusive list. These are what RAM publishes their payload ratings, though I would agree those options would reduce the overall payload, but not by 600-700 lbs

Also, right from RAMs website. If they are off by over 600 pounds they have a serious false advertising problem.

 

[devildodge]

Yes, that 6.2L Supercharged motor is thrown in there for ****s and giggles. This is an all inclusive list. These are what RAM publishes their payload ratings, though I would agree those options would reduce the overall payload, but not by 600-700 lbs

Also, right from RAMs website. If they are off by over 600 pounds they have a serious false advertising problem.

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We explain this a thousand times...may be to 10s of thousand times now.

The only way to know for sure is to look at your door jamb.

The VIN lookup is 99% accurate.

What you posted is a configurator.

It is for a configuration. It is once again the lightest possible weight in the configuration.

It is not for a specific truck.

Tradesman base is the lightest. Sure a loaded tradesman can weigh more than a base Bighorn.

From our nearly four years of research...laramie Longhorn is the heaviest...figure it is the buckles

 

[devildodge]

Also, right from RAMs website. If they are off by over 600 pounds they have a serious false advertising problem.

It is not false advertising. It is not understanding what one is reading. They tell you all about it if you read the print.

 

[GKIII]

We explain this a thousand times...may be to 10s of thousand times now.

The only way to know for sure is to look at your door jamb.

The VIN lookup is 99% accurate.

What you posted is a configurator.

It is for a configuration. It is once again the lightest possible weight in the configuration.

It is not for a specific truck.

Tradesman base is the lightest. Sure a loaded tradesman can weigh more than a base Bighorn.

From our nearly four years of research...laramie Longhorn is the heaviest...figure it is the buckles

Yes I understand, I'm just saying no way it's 1140 or whatever @IvoryHemi is saying. Also, the same issue would apply to the GM and Ford trucks in the the article.

 

[devildodge]

I said I was gonna stop engaging in this conversation. My damn wife has to spend too much time shopping.

Payload is GVWR minus Base weight. A tradesman has the least amount of base weight therefore the highest payload.

 

[devildodge]

Yes I understand, I'm just saying no way it's 1140 or whatever @IvoryHemi is saying. Also, the same issue would apply to the GM and Ford trucks in the the article.

It is 1140. And most of us here give two ****s about ford or chevy.

They are wrong also. They used weights from a chart and are wrong.

 

[IvoryHemi]

Yes, that 6.2L Supercharged motor is thrown in there for ****s and giggles. This is an all inclusive list. These are what RAM publishes their payload ratings, though I would agree those options would reduce the overall payload, but not by 600-700 lbs

Also, right from RAMs website. If they are off by over 600 pounds they have a serious false advertising problem.

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Ram Boxes - 150 lbs
MFT - 75 lbs
Leather - 50 lbs
Ventilated seats - 25 lbs
33 gallon tank - 75 lbs
BUG - 75 lbs

There’s -450 lbs right off the bat

 

[GKIII]

I concede my argument. On further research I did not realize just how different advertised ratings were vs door jamb sticker. I am seeing some CC Laramies on this forum around ~1400 so yea.

With that said they used chart ratings for all 3 trucks so they were at least consistent, I am curious as to what the real payloads for the other two were.

 

[devildodge]

For a long time... @SpeedyV was the reining champion with 1069 payload. Then the MFT came along and I am not sure who it was but it was 970. And when they would look at the charts or configurators...they would have got 1840

 

[PoppaPig78]

RAM Wins! Lets bicker about payload specs! lol!