New emissions recall for the 3rd Gen diesels

[NorthStar]

That’s a bummer for the oil change service, you should let the manager know what you encountered, it has never happened to me to gat oil dripping after a dealer oil change, I would know because my truck is parked on a clean cement floor in my garage every day.

That does sound like the same PCM update, it’s weird how many CJDR vehicles are manufactured in Canada and US but the warranty and the build options can be so different. Even the website is so different, I tried the build and price option for US customers, I was building a truck and noticed on the engine option, it showed the ecodiesel $4,900 it’s sounds expensive but that’s going from the 3.6 V 6 gas engine, the 5.7 Hemi option was $2500 over the 3.6 V6 gas, so the ecodiesel is only $2400 more than the Hemi, I saw many US people post on this forum and other automotive website saying it would take so many years to pay for the $4900 option, the reality would actually be half that time because the comparison was done between the ecodiesel and the Hemi and the added cost is $2400.
I know for sure, my other truck had the Hemi, I’m saving every time I fuel up, my ecodiesel payed for itself in less than a year, it was a $1400 option because of a promotion in Canada at the time of purchase.

Yes, I sent the Service Manager and General Manager an email with a lot more pics of the mess as the oil proceeded to blowdown the drivetrain as I drove home. My solution is simple I’ve done dozen of oil changes in my life without so much as a drip. I did the first oil change on my current Ecodiesel without a drop hitting tab ground. To heck with the three more free oil changes…give me three filters, I’ll provide the oil and do the changes myself. At least it will be done correctly but I doubt they’ll do it. Either way, I’m done gone back to Finnegan CJDR of Rosenberg unless they make it right.

 

[Rebelguy2020]

Yes, I sent the Service Manager and General Manager an email with a lot more pics of the mess as the oil proceeded to blowdown the drivetrain as I drove home. My solution is simple I’ve done dozen of oil changes in my life without so much as a drip. I did the first oil change on my current Ecodiesel without a drop hitting tab ground. To heck with the three more free oil changes…give me three filters, I’ll provide the oil and do the changes myself. At least it will be done correctly but I doubt they’ll do it. Either way, I’m done gone back to Finnegan CJDR of Rosenberg unless they make it right.

Hopefully the dealership will make things right, the Canadian dealerships are rated by up to 5 ️ and some really take it to heart, they do not want a bad review and will go the extra mile to keep the customers happy. I’m lucky that my hometown dealer is a 5 ️ and has been good to me since I purchased my first 1994 Caravan, I’m on my 10th CJDR vehicle, and I only purchased 4 in my hometown. The closest other CJDR is an hour drive away and is in a small town of 2,500 people, I live in Timmins Ontario population of 45,000 the biggest in the North, the closet city of that size is a 3 hour drive south.

I think you’re right about them not agreeing to give you the oil filter and oil too so you can do the service yourself.

Let us know what’s the reply from your dealer.

 

[NorthStar]

FYI...one thing I noticed last night is when I came home, I failed to look at my gauges on my iPhone from my MX+. When I pulled in the driveway and put it in park, I could see and hear the engine was rev'ed up to 1100 RPMs which is higher than normal for a hot engine. I quick glanced at my gauges and saw the truck was in regen. It proceeded to stay at 1100 RPM and the soot load started reducing. I let it set for ten seconds to watch it keep reducing and then decided to take it out on the highway to let it complete. I haven't seen this before on my previous Ecodiesels nor on this one so perhaps this could be one of the PCM update enhancements. If you've seen this before, please correct me but if it is part of the new update then it's a good thing.

 

[djevox]

FYI...one thing I noticed last night is when I came home, I failed to look at my gauges on my iPhone from my MX+. When I pulled in the driveway and put it in park, I could see and hear the engine was rev'ed up to 1100 RPMs which is higher than normal for a hot engine. I quick glanced at my gauges and saw the truck was in regen. It proceeded to stay at 1100 RPM and the soot load started reducing. I let it set for ten seconds to watch it keep reducing and then decided to take it out on the highway to let it complete. I haven't seen this before on my previous Ecodiesels nor on this one so perhaps this could be one of the PCM update enhancements. If you've seen this before, please correct me but if it is part of the new update then it's a good thing.

Do you know which PID you’re watching for active regen? In OBD Fusion, I’m looking at DPF Regen Status, and I don’t trust it at all. The exhaust temps don’t match the regen status flag for me.

 

[NorthStar]

Requested Regeneration State of DPF - Normal Regeneration Active is what I utilize. It will go from zero when off to one when in regen (top left gauge).
Percentage of Soot Mass (%) is what I utilize to monitor the soot and see it count down during regen (second gauge down on the left).

 

[djevox]

Requested Regeneration State of DPF - Normal Regeneration Active is what I utilize. It will go from zero when off to one when in regen (top left gauge).
Percentage of Soot Mass (%) is what I utilize to monitor the soot and see it count down during regen (second gauge down on the left).

Weird, that regen state never changed from 0 for me over 4 tanks of fuel, but may average distance between regen was 500 miles, and average time was 917 minutes- so once per tank of fuel. My soot mass also never goes past 31%. How high does yours go before regen?

 

[NorthStar]

Weird, that regen state never changed from 0 for me over 4 tanks of fuel, but may average distance between regen was 500 miles, and average time was 917 minutes- so once per tank of fuel. My soot mass also never goes past 31%. How high does yours go before regen?

Soot mass goes as high as 59% a few times but that is when making a number of short trips in a row (which doesn't occur often) and it is reduced by a run on the highway since I live out in the country. Keep in mind the 59% is the high as it fluctuates between 38% and 59% based upon the amount of passive regen until it goes into active regen. I'm getting about 800 to 1,000 miles between active regen. The mileage duration actually increased with utilization of Hot Shot's Secret EDT.

 

[djevox]

Soot mass goes as high as 59% a few times but that is when making a number of short trips in a row (which doesn't occur often) and it is reduced by a run on the highway since I live out in the country. Keep in mind the 59% is the high as it fluctuates between 38% and 59% based upon the amount of passive regen until it goes into active regen. I'm getting about 800 to 1,000 miles between active regen. The mileage duration actually increased with utilization of Hot Shot's Secret EDT.

I’m using EDT also, but it looks like you’re getting almost double the average distance between regens. My soot mass varies between 16% and 31%, and I’ve never seen higher than 31. I’m not using an MX plus though, I’m using an LELink. I wonder if this is a hardware issue, but OBD fusion was originally made for use with LELink. I don’t know why my numbers are so different from yours.

 

[NorthStar]

I’m using EDT also, but it looks like you’re getting almost double the average distance between regens. My soot mass varies between 16% and 31%, and I’ve never seen higher than 31. I’m not using an MX plus though, I’m using an LELink. I wonder if this is a hardware issue, but OBD fusion was originally made for use with LELink. I don’t know why my numbers are so different from yours.

One consideration could be it is colder in Maryland than in Houston. The engine may not get as hot as often up there plus even when living in Alaska I saw regens more frequently in the winter than I did in the summer. I'm not familiar with LELink thus I'm not much help. I swear by this cheap little MX+ as the price on Amazon at the time was $69 but now I see it's up to $119!! Darned shame as it was a steal at $69.

 

[djevox]

One consideration could be it is colder in Maryland than in Houston. The engine may not get as hot as often up there plus even when living in Alaska I saw regens more frequently in the winter than I did in the summer. I'm not familiar with LELink thus I'm not much help. I swear by this cheap little MX+ as the price on Amazon at the time was $69 but now I see it's up to $119!! Darned shame as it was a steal at $69.

Interesting, thanks for the info. I guess I’ll keep watching it.

 

[c3k]

I am totally onboard with this.

I've related my VW TDi def fill (yes, different engines, etc.) goes at LEAST 10,000 miles.

So far, my ecodiesel with less than 1,000 miles of towing, 9,800 total miles, has gone through ~10 gallons (or more) of DEF. Two to three tankfuls.

In fact, I just filled it at 8600 miles, and now it's down to the halfway mark. (At that point, it will take an entire 2.5 gallon def jug with no overflow and show full.)

From 8600 to 9800 was a 600 mile (one way) interstate trip.

The def consumption is immaterial to me. The frequency of DEF fill ups is just horrendous.

The easy solution is to double or triple the size of the def tank. There's plenty of space on the passenger side of the truck chassis for an auxiliary def tank. Plumb it into the existing one, toss a pump and heater on it, and you're good to go.

 

[NorthStar]

I am totally onboard with this.

I've related my VW TDi def fill (yes, different engines, etc.) goes at LEAST 10,000 miles.

So far, my ecodiesel with less than 1,000 miles of towing, 9,800 total miles, has gone through ~10 gallons (or more) of DEF. Two to three tankfuls.

In fact, I just filled it at 8600 miles, and now it's down to the halfway mark. (At that point, it will take an entire 2.5 gallon def jug with no overflow and show full.)

From 8600 to 9800 was a 600 mile (one way) interstate trip.

The def consumption is immaterial to me. The frequency of DEF fill ups is just horrendous.

The easy solution is to double or triple the size of the def tank. There's plenty of space on the passenger side of the truck chassis for an auxiliary def tank. Plumb it into the existing one, toss a pump and heater on it, and you're good to go.

Well, the PCM update appears to have increased the DEF consumption considerably. In a 310 mile round trip run, I went from 7/8 of a tank to 5/8 of a tank of DEF. My calcs show I utilized 1.4 gallons of DEF in 310 miles. The same trip numerous times in the past has barely moved the DEF gauge needle. It will be interesting to hear if others suffer the same effect when/if you all get the PCM update or if it could be the colder weather affecting my consumption.

The update is listed as a Rapid Response Transmittal (RRT) 21-188 2021 DT PCM UPDATES.

 

[Dragonmaster13]

Got the recall notice today in Canada. It says there are too many emissions, which says to me that they are going to increase the amount of def injection to deal with that. Totally sucks…

 

[djevox]

Well, the PCM update appears to have increased the DEF consumption considerably. In a 310 mile round trip run, I went from 7/8 of a tank to 5/8 of a tank of DEF. My calcs show I utilized 1.4 gallons of DEF in 310 miles. The same trip numerous times in the past has barely moved the DEF gauge needle. It will be interesting to hear if others suffer the same effect when/if you all get the PCM update or if it could be the colder weather affecting my consumption.

The update is listed as a Rapid Response Transmittal (RRT) 21-188 2021 DT PCM UPDATES.

Gross. On a different note, I didn’t realize you’re in Canada

 

[NorthStar]

Gross. On a different note, I didn’t realize you’re in Canada

I'm a U.S. Ecodiesel owner in Texas. The update was done when my truck was in for a simple oil change.

It appears Canada is getting recall notices whereas in the U.S. it appears they are simply waiting for each Ecodiesel to come in for an oil change or other work, and then hit it with the PCM update. FCA must have learned its lesson with the previous generation...once the word got out they were updating with a fix that also killed fuel economy, guys quit taking their Rams to the dealers.

See the attachment…no, I didn’t pay for the oil change as the they are free for the first two years.

 

[djevox]

I'm a U.S. Ecodiesel owner in Texas. The update was done when my truck was in for a simple oil change.

It appears Canada is getting recall notices whereas in the U.S. it appears they are simply waiting for each Ecodiesel to come in for an oil change or other work, and then hit it with the PCM update. FCA must have learned its lesson with the previous generation...once the word got out they were updating with a fix that also killed fuel economy, guys quit taking their Rams to the dealers.

That’s interesting. I went in for my complimentary oil change and asked them to check for and do any updates. They said they can’t do that without a specific appointment to get it done. Goes to show how different dealers operate, I guess.

 

[Rebelguy2020]

Well, the PCM update appears to have increased the DEF consumption considerably. In a 310 mile round trip run, I went from 7/8 of a tank to 5/8 of a tank of DEF. My calcs show I utilized 1.4 gallons of DEF in 310 miles. The same trip numerous times in the past has barely moved the DEF gauge needle. It will be interesting to hear if others suffer the same effect when/if you all get the PCM update or if it could be the colder weather affecting my consumption.

The update is listed as a Rapid Response Transmittal (RRT) 21-188 2021 DT PCM UPDATES.

That’s not good news for the DEF consumption after the update, hopefully it will settle down or recalibrate after a while, if the update is the same as the Canadian recall, I won’t take it to the dealer for as long as I can.
My truck has been parked outside in the cold since Monday and hasn’t moved, it’s -26 F this morning, the DEF has to be frozen solid, it would be a good test to see how the heaters perform but I not going anywhere soon, retired life! I kept my truck and my wife’s Jeep outside because I’m spay finishing the kitchen cabinets that I built, my woodworking shop is attached to my garage and needed the room to spread out the cabinets for spraying.

 

[brandomc]

That’s a bummer for the oil change service, you should let the manager know what you encountered, it has never happened to me to gat oil dripping after a dealer oil change, I would know because my truck is parked on a clean cement floor in my garage every day.

That does sound like the same PCM update, it’s weird how many CJDR vehicles are manufactured in Canada and US but the warranty and the build options can be so different. Even the website is so different, I tried the build and price option for US customers, I was building a truck and noticed on the engine option, it showed the ecodiesel $4,900 it’s sounds expensive but that’s going from the 3.6 V 6 gas engine, the 5.7 Hemi option was $2500 over the 3.6 V6 gas, so the ecodiesel is only $2400 more than the Hemi, I saw many US people post on this forum and other automotive website saying it would take so many years to pay for the $4900 option, the reality would actually be half that time because the comparison was done between the ecodiesel and the Hemi and the added cost is $2400.
I know for sure, my other truck had the Hemi, I’m saving every time I fuel up, my ecodiesel payed for itself in less than a year, it was a $1400 option because of a promotion in Canada at the time of purchase.

 

[brandomc]

I too live in TX and took truck in for oil change. They flashed my software for a Y81 recall/update. My work order mentions DEF. I’ve driven my truck for 22K miles and know how it drives. It now seems to be reving higher and less turbo lag. I’ll keep an eye on DEF consumption and MPG.

 

[bill-e]

Having been a victim of the last Emissions recall, I'm waiting as long as I can. I hope to see feedback from early adopters here