Will the new turbo 6 replace the Hemi?

[Firebird]

All of the news articles seem to imply that the new turbo 6 will be the new engine going forward? Think it will replace the Hemi? I am sure it will be strong, but I would miss having a Hemi.

 

[Dr. Jim]

All of the news articles seem to imply that the new turbo 6 will be the new engine going forward? Think it will replace the Hemi? I am sure it will be strong, but I would miss having a Hemi.

I agree, I would miss it also. Nothing beats the sound of a Hemi!

 

[ldoh]

Inline 6's are great for pickups, they have good torque, less moving parts. I could be wrong but it sounds like they have an ecoboost-like design.

I'm not a fan of smaller displacement direct injection turbo gas engines. They put out lots of hp and tq but fuel economy is suspect when they are worked, the engines sound funky, and then there's those issues of oil dilution and piston/valve carbon build up. Ford recently adding dual port injection (2017?) to help wash down the valves etc.

 

[TX_Phil]

If I wanted a turbo 6 I'd have bought a Ford. That eco boost makes a lot of power but it sounds like . . . let's just say I don't like it. Dropping the Hemi would hurt Ram as a whole I would think. Maybe offer a turbo 6 as an option to the Hemi but not replace the Hemi. Without a rumbling V8 it's just not right.

 

[Patsy1099]

If it did I think the complaints about the resale on our hemis would get very quiet

 

[HeliPilot]

Had a 2017 Raptor (Tuned) Bad A** truck. Just could not make myself love the turbo peculiarities nor the sound. Gave it 32,000 miles of effort though. Prefer not be be forced into another one in the future.

 

[Twoamen]

They might ad as option, watch purchases, evaluate other mfg sales in same class. Then push if they figure it warrants change. I read in past that the stock of 5.7 it would be years before they ran out? The reason at the time was adding the etorg instead of redesign of the existing 5.7. The read was here, early 2019 production inquiries

 

[Cravenfan]

With Chrysler’s trademark on the Hemi, you may see a turbo 6 as an option, but I’m guessing they like all the free advertising the, “does that thing have a Hemi,” gets them. Unless of course, they call it a Hemi turbo?

Then, 10 seconds after I post this, I see the patent article on the 6 turbo.

 

[devildodge]

The 5.7l Hemi has used up its "power bumps" (just read the horror that people posted when it didn't get a power bump)

There will be a Hemi available. My opinion is the 5.7 Hemi will continue as the 5.0l Ford has.

But the INLINE 6 (wishing it had a SLANT) will replace both the Pentastar and Hemi as base and upgrade engines.

I think you will see a larger HEMI in the future...to lead the pack.

 

[iamtheav8r]

You're going to continue to see a push towards forced induction, smaller displacement engines, hybrids and diesel. We are a decade or more behind Europe in that regard. You're also going to see fuel prices creep up as newer, more efficient technologies are introduced. Once the oil companies know you're willing to spend XXX dollars a week on fuel, they're going to keep that money from you regardless of how efficient any vehicle is.

 

[ldoh]

In the near term ICE engines will continue for those needing to heavy tow/haul or drive longer distance away from concentrated areas otherwise EVs will dominate. FCA needs to look past the hemi but ecoboost-like solutions are a questionable small step improvement.

 

[ChadT]

The 5.7l Hemi has used up its "power bumps" (just read the horror that people posted when it didn't get a power bump)

There will be a Hemi available. My opinion is the 5.7 Hemi will continue as the 5.0l Ford has.

But the INLINE 6 (wishing it had a SLANT) will replace both the Pentastar and Hemi as base and upgrade engines.

I think you will see a larger HEMI in the future...to lead the pack.

I'm gunna concur with this.
I'd love to go longform and really explain the rationales, post the links/videos, and "whys" for some of the following, but I'm crunched on time!

My thoughts on the "Ecoboost" engines
1) Small displacement with turbos, outside of Rally cars, is basically being driven by EPA/Emissions, government.
In many places in europe they have a RoadTax that taxes basically taxes by litre/engine displacement. They had to go smaller. It wasn't driven totally organically via consumer choice.
Then, it was the incredibly high fuel prices over there. If you removed some of those constraints placed on that market via non-market forces, I would be interested to see what they would be offering.

2) Ford has convinced its buyer-base to a near religious degree, that ecoboost anything is the best forever in all ways.
There's a reason they put it in their GT (A $400,000 car with a V6) and the Raptor, their "halo cars". It was so Joe Q Public with his 2.7L V6 ecoboost felt he had the "bestest most modernest technologiest engine". It was super effective. They price it right, they make it standard, it has enough pep off the line, and they have more of them on the lot with incentives ready to go. The take rate has gotten high. Vehicle manufacturers can be very smart with what vehicles they want to push, as well as lease/sales mixture. They do have some control over that, at least Bob Lutz seemed to think so and know so. Once a vehicle gets "over-leased" the secondary market gets killed pretty badly. Protect it like Toyota/Lexus does, and you see its fans jump to the assumption that it must be some super-duper ultra quality as the singular factor to explain that post-lease price. Wrong.

3) The V6 ecoboosts for Ford came out in 2011.
We have 8 years of data. If you look it up, the AVERAGE age of the vehicle on the road is actually 12 years. And that's not "old,", that's Average.
For "wealthy" people, the average is about 9 years, at least as of 2017 that's the number. IMHO, on longevity, I'm not totally sold that the story is finished on small displacement engines in fullsize trucks, trying to do truck things.

3B) Many of the Ford Faithful promised everyone, everyone, (usually in a condescending tone) that the super duty was getting an ecoboost. After all, the small displacement gas turbo engine in THEIR truck was the best at all things, forever and ever. It's better than a big gas engine at everything including reliability, because putting a turbo on a ~7L Diesel engine is TOTALLY the same as a 2.xL v6 (Despite the differences. it's totally the same).
2020, Ford has a 7.3L V8 big gas engine coming out. I wish I could find the darn clip, but a bigwig in the super duty program basically explained that the fuel economy under load - AND RELIABILITY were reasons we weren't getting an ecoboost super duty.
More simply, if the small displacement gas engines with turbos were really better at EVERYTHING, including longevity vs cost, we would be seeing it in the super duty - and not a big lazy gas engine. It's a vehicle class being sold to people for whom downtime means dollars lost. And in that application, "Real truck stuff" along with less down time, ease of maintenance and reliability, for gasoline engines? Big lazy displacement is still king.

Which brings me to 4
4) The 5.7L Hemi to me was a selling point of this Ram. FCA has adapted these engines for use in many vehicles, but the fact stands that the 5.7L Hemi was the go to engine in the 3/4ton Rams for a long time. By numbers heavyduty trucks are some of the longest lasting vehicles on the road, and many of them lived very tough lives, some pulling trailers for every mile of operation. Heavyduty trucks are beautifully over-engineered, and that's across brands. The 5.7L Hemi and 8speed ZF transmission, I would personally put at or near the top of most dependable/reliable half ton power train choices.

I think we will see more small displacement turbo gas engines, again for EPA/CAFE reasons. In order to get people to move to them, they HAVE TO have some benefits, including better numbers on paper, as well as take off speed, as well as being priced lower than the V8 option. I don't think we'll see any power bump of the Hemi to help facilitate this migration. They HAVE to make the more fuel efficient engine the more desirable choice (Like Ford did. Again Ford HAD TO due to the sheer volume of F-150s they sell).

In an ecoboost future, if I'm in the market for a truck again? I might bump up to the heavyduty class, where I assume the big V8s will still live.
I'll want to see the longevity/cost of maintenance data for years and years before I make a jump to the small engine. I personally am not sold yet

 

[HeliPilot]

And....my eco Raptor averaged 14.3 city/17 Hwy for 2 years. It was definitely better than the 6.2L Raptor I traded in for it, but I would not call that amazing fuel economy.

 

[brotharon]

And....my eco Raptor averaged 14.3 city/17 Hwy for 2 years. It was definitely better than the 6.2L Raptor I traded in for it, but I would not call that amazing fuel economy.

I would also not call that amazing fuel economy since I get better than that city MPG in my 19 5.7 Ram Rebel.
my 2 cents...
Nothing wrong with small displacement turbo engines. I have owned everything from a 1986 SVO Mustang to a 2018 Ford Focus RS and many other turbo motored cars in between. The MPGs are not usually as impressive in real world use as they are on paper, the power is not available until you get past the turbo lag, and the need to fill them with premium fuels and (generally) more expensive oils increases the daily operating costs. I love little turbo cars for autocross and hooning about, but I prefer my truck to have a V8 for simplicity sake and that lovely sound.

 

[StuartV]

With Chrysler’s trademark on the Hemi, you may see a turbo 6 as an option, but I’m guessing they like all the free advertising the, “does that thing have a Hemi,” gets them. Unless of course, they call it a Hemi turbo?

Then, 10 seconds after I post this, I see the patent article on the 6 turbo.

Hemi is short for having a hemispherical combustion chamber, right? So, maybe they can make a turbo I-6 and, if the chamber is shaped right, still call it a Hemi?

 

[JJRamTX]

I love my Hemi and the MDS and E-Torque have given it some great benefits.... But I am betting that the 6.4 Hemi will be coming as an option for the 1500 Trucks in the Future and they will start to apply the same MDS and Electric assist or Hybrid tech. The biggest issue going down the long haul will be weight but an increase in Aluminum and other lighter weight metals and possibly Carbon Fiber will most likely follow to keep these trucks under 6K Lbs.

 

[StuartV]

Personally, I don't give too much of a rip about sound. I would rather have actual performance than sound, any day. Really, I want my truck to be quiet. And haul ***. I would also like it to accelerate briskly-to-hard when I tip into the pedal, without having to press more and more, waiting for it to downshift before it finally gets up and goes.

What I would like to see is, rather than a small 6 with a turbo (e.g. 3.5L EcoBoost), I would like to see a small-ish V8 turbo. Like, something in the 4.0 to 5.0L V8 range - with a turbo that doesn't need huge boost numbers (nor require Premium gas) in order for the engine to make really good power.

My ex had a Mercedes GLA250. That has a 2.0L turbo I-4. It is only spec'ed at 208 HP. But, that thing was actually quite fun to drive because it was tuned to make good torque that started from pretty darn low RPMs. And it would (did) blow the doors off my RAM with a Hemi. Imagine what RAM *could* do with a small block V8 and a turbo - and the right tuning.

 

[WW2]

I'm gunna concur with this.
I'd love to go longform and really explain the rationales, post the links/videos, and "whys" for some of the following, but I'm crunched on time!

My thoughts on the "Ecoboost" engines
1) Small displacement with turbos, outside of Rally cars, is basically being driven by EPA/Emissions, government.
In many places in europe they have a RoadTax that taxes basically taxes by litre/engine displacement. They had to go smaller. It wasn't driven totally organically via consumer choice.
Then, it was the incredibly high fuel prices over there. If you removed some of those constraints placed on that market via non-market forces, I would be interested to see what they would be offering.

2) Ford has convinced its buyer-base to a near religious degree, that ecoboost anything is the best forever in all ways.
There's a reason they put it in their GT (A $400,000 car with a V6) and the Raptor, their "halo cars". It was so Joe Q Public with his 2.7L V6 ecoboost felt he had the "bestest most modernest technologiest engine". It was super effective. They price it right, they make it standard, it has enough pep off the line, and they have more of them on the lot with incentives ready to go. The take rate has gotten high. Vehicle manufacturers can be very smart with what vehicles they want to push, as well as lease/sales mixture. They do have some control over that, at least Bob Lutz seemed to think so and know so. Once a vehicle gets "over-leased" the secondary market gets killed pretty badly. Protect it like Toyota/Lexus does, and you see its fans jump to the assumption that it must be some super-duper ultra quality as the singular factor to explain that post-lease price. Wrong.

3) The V6 ecoboosts for Ford came out in 2011.
We have 8 years of data. If you look it up, the AVERAGE age of the vehicle on the road is actually 12 years. And that's not "old,", that's Average.
For "wealthy" people, the average is about 9 years, at least as of 2017 that's the number. IMHO, on longevity, I'm not totally sold that the story is finished on small displacement engines in fullsize trucks, trying to do truck things.

3B) Many of the Ford Faithful promised everyone, everyone, (usually in a condescending tone) that the super duty was getting an ecoboost. After all, the small displacement gas turbo engine in THEIR truck was the best at all things, forever and ever. It's better than a big gas engine at everything including reliability, because putting a turbo on a ~7L Diesel engine is TOTALLY the same as a 2.xL v6 (Despite the differences. it's totally the same).
2020, Ford has a 7.3L V8 big gas engine coming out. I wish I could find the darn clip, but a bigwig in the super duty program basically explained that the fuel economy under load - AND RELIABILITY were reasons we weren't getting an ecoboost super duty.
More simply, if the small displacement gas engines with turbos were really better at EVERYTHING, including longevity vs cost, we would be seeing it in the super duty - and not a big lazy gas engine. It's a vehicle class being sold to people for whom downtime means dollars lost. And in that application, "Real truck stuff" along with less down time, ease of maintenance and reliability, for gasoline engines? Big lazy displacement is still king.

Which brings me to 4
4) The 5.7L Hemi to me was a selling point of this Ram. FCA has adapted these engines for use in many vehicles, but the fact stands that the 5.7L Hemi was the go to engine in the 3/4ton Rams for a long time. By numbers heavyduty trucks are some of the longest lasting vehicles on the road, and many of them lived very tough lives, some pulling trailers for every mile of operation. Heavyduty trucks are beautifully over-engineered, and that's across brands. The 5.7L Hemi and 8speed ZF transmission, I would personally put at or near the top of most dependable/reliable half ton power train choices.

I think we will see more small displacement turbo gas engines, again for EPA/CAFE reasons. In order to get people to move to them, they HAVE TO have some benefits, including better numbers on paper, as well as take off speed, as well as being priced lower than the V8 option. I don't think we'll see any power bump of the Hemi to help facilitate this migration. They HAVE to make the more fuel efficient engine the more desirable choice (Like Ford did. Again Ford HAD TO due to the sheer volume of F-150s they sell).

In an ecoboost future, if I'm in the market for a truck again? I might bump up to the heavyduty class, where I assume the big V8s will still live.
I'll want to see the longevity/cost of maintenance data for years and years before I make a jump to the small engine. I personally am not sold yet

Very well written...could not agree more

 

[silver64]

I'm gunna concur with this.
I'd love to go longform and really explain the rationales, post the links/videos, and "whys" for some of the following, but I'm crunched on time!

My thoughts on the "Ecoboost" engines
1) Small displacement with turbos, outside of Rally cars, is basically being driven by EPA/Emissions, government.
In many places in europe they have a RoadTax that taxes basically taxes by litre/engine displacement. They had to go smaller. It wasn't driven totally organically via consumer choice.
Then, it was the incredibly high fuel prices over there. If you removed some of those constraints placed on that market via non-market forces, I would be interested to see what they would be offering.

2) Ford has convinced its buyer-base to a near religious degree, that ecoboost anything is the best forever in all ways.
There's a reason they put it in their GT (A $400,000 car with a V6) and the Raptor, their "halo cars". It was so Joe Q Public with his 2.7L V6 ecoboost felt he had the "bestest most modernest technologiest engine". It was super effective. They price it right, they make it standard, it has enough pep off the line, and they have more of them on the lot with incentives ready to go. The take rate has gotten high. Vehicle manufacturers can be very smart with what vehicles they want to push, as well as lease/sales mixture. They do have some control over that, at least Bob Lutz seemed to think so and know so. Once a vehicle gets "over-leased" the secondary market gets killed pretty badly. Protect it like Toyota/Lexus does, and you see its fans jump to the assumption that it must be some super-duper ultra quality as the singular factor to explain that post-lease price. Wrong.

3) The V6 ecoboosts for Ford came out in 2011.
We have 8 years of data. If you look it up, the AVERAGE age of the vehicle on the road is actually 12 years. And that's not "old,", that's Average.
For "wealthy" people, the average is about 9 years, at least as of 2017 that's the number. IMHO, on longevity, I'm not totally sold that the story is finished on small displacement engines in fullsize trucks, trying to do truck things.

3B) Many of the Ford Faithful promised everyone, everyone, (usually in a condescending tone) that the super duty was getting an ecoboost. After all, the small displacement gas turbo engine in THEIR truck was the best at all things, forever and ever. It's better than a big gas engine at everything including reliability, because putting a turbo on a ~7L Diesel engine is TOTALLY the same as a 2.xL v6 (Despite the differences. it's totally the same).
2020, Ford has a 7.3L V8 big gas engine coming out. I wish I could find the darn clip, but a bigwig in the super duty program basically explained that the fuel economy under load - AND RELIABILITY were reasons we weren't getting an ecoboost super duty.
More simply, if the small displacement gas engines with turbos were really better at EVERYTHING, including longevity vs cost, we would be seeing it in the super duty - and not a big lazy gas engine. It's a vehicle class being sold to people for whom downtime means dollars lost. And in that application, "Real truck stuff" along with less down time, ease of maintenance and reliability, for gasoline engines? Big lazy displacement is still king.

Which brings me to 4
4) The 5.7L Hemi to me was a selling point of this Ram. FCA has adapted these engines for use in many vehicles, but the fact stands that the 5.7L Hemi was the go to engine in the 3/4ton Rams for a long time. By numbers heavyduty trucks are some of the longest lasting vehicles on the road, and many of them lived very tough lives, some pulling trailers for every mile of operation. Heavyduty trucks are beautifully over-engineered, and that's across brands. The 5.7L Hemi and 8speed ZF transmission, I would personally put at or near the top of most dependable/reliable half ton power train choices.

I think we will see more small displacement turbo gas engines, again for EPA/CAFE reasons. In order to get people to move to them, they HAVE TO have some benefits, including better numbers on paper, as well as take off speed, as well as being priced lower than the V8 option. I don't think we'll see any power bump of the Hemi to help facilitate this migration. They HAVE to make the more fuel efficient engine the more desirable choice (Like Ford did. Again Ford HAD TO due to the sheer volume of F-150s they sell).

In an ecoboost future, if I'm in the market for a truck again? I might bump up to the heavyduty class, where I assume the big V8s will still live.
I'll want to see the longevity/cost of maintenance data for years and years before I make a jump to the small engine. I personally am not sold yet

New Ford 7.3-Liter "Godzilla" Gasoline V-8 Coming for Super Duty Lineup

The new engine will be rated at up to 430 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[silver64]

Hemi is short for having a hemispherical combustion chamber, right? So, maybe they can make a turbo I-6 and, if the chamber is shaped right, still call it a Hemi?

Its not about finding a way to put the hemi tag on a 6 cyl engine so much as its about keeping to the standard they set as a Hemi being a V8.