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Don't have any links, but here's a pic from recent car show.
.Daughter's Kia has HUD and I drive it frequently. Not at all distracting to me. The 1500 HUD can be moved around a bit to suit placement and IMO provides impt info without removing eyesight from road...speed, speed limit, location and such. Only issue which concerned me was use of polarized (prescription) sunglasses. These do somewhat reduce HUD visibility but the 1500 has a brightness control which can compensate.
Don't have any links, but here's a pic from recent car show.
Thx. In mopar vernacular, they are called high back buckets. Color is stock B7, Jamaica Blue.
I test drove a '22 Laramie with an EcoDiesel today. First time I've driven an ED.
I had an '09 RAM 1500 with Hemi until I traded it for my '19 1500 Hemi w/eTorque. I like how my truck runs and drives with the Hemi. Both my trucks had/have the 3.92 rear end. The ED I drove today also had a 3.92. The main difference is my trucks have been 4x4 and today's ED was 4x2. I'm not going to buy the one I drove. I just drove it to see how the engine drives. I'm going to order what I want.
And, dang! I REALLY liked driving the ED! I was expecting lag and sluggishness (I have owned 3 different Ford SuperDutys with PowerStrokes in the past). I did some in-town, stop-and-go, and some Interstate. For me and the way I drive (which is pretty much with a lead foot), I felt like it drove better than either of my Hemis. Off the line felt just as quick (for a normal-for-me take-off, not a drag start). Response to throttle tip-in when deciding to speed up to pass was great. The only thing I could maybe feel like the Hemi does better at is when you put the pedal to the floor. I did that on the Interstate a couple of times and my seat-of-the-pants says the Hemi pulls a little harder at full throttle. As I would expect when comparing their horsepower numbers...
The ED also is NOTICEABLY quieter than the Hemi. Going down the highway, just cruising, I can still just barely hear my Hemi. Not the ED. And when putting my foot into it, I can hear the Hemi easily, where the ED is still pretty darn quiet. I like the way my Hemi sounds, but overall I would be perfectly happy if it was totally quiet. So, the ED wins that one - to ME.
I drove the ED because I was expecting to not like it all that much and driving it would just let me cross it off my list and stop second-guessing what I want to order. It had the opposite effect.
So, I ran the numbers. Identically configured, the way I would order it, the difference in price (on a loaded Laramie) between a Hemi w/eTorque and an ED is $2,200.
According to Fuelly, Hemis w/eTorque are averaging 16 MPG and 3rd gen ED's are averaging 22.
Gas here is currently $3.89 and diesel is $4.96. The math on all that works out to just a cost in fuel of 24.5 cents per mile for the Hemi and 22.5 cents for the ED.
Which means you have to drive the ED for 110K miles just to break even on the extra cost to buy one (based on current fuel costs). And that does not account for any difference in maintenance costs (e.g. oil changes) or the cost of DEF. I'm *guessing* the ED has a higher cost of maintenance. So, really, the ED probably really doesn't save me any money at all. Though, my brother has been shopping for a new/used truck recently and he said used EDs are generally about $5k higher than comparable used Hemis, from what he's seen. So, maybe a higher resale value would more than make up for the extra purchase price.
So, now I'm in a quandary. Which one do I want to order? Right this moment, I feel like I liked driving the ED better. But, I'm also concerned that it will have reliability or drivability issues, where the Hemi is more of a known quantity.
I drive a lot. Mostly highway driving on weekend road trips to go scuba diving. I work from home. Thus how I have racked up 71K miles on my '19 in 3 years (while working from home the whole time).
With the 33 gallon tank in my '19, the range has been perfectly fine for me. The only time I have ever wished the tank was bigger was the one time I towed a very overweight trailer from near DC to SC. I was stopping for gas every something like 200 to 250 miles. But, that just proves (to me) that the tank and range on the Hemi is actually fine for me and my needs. Nevertheless, the range I would have with an ED is kind of appealing. 700 miles or so between fill-ups instead of 400? No real practical benefit most of the time, but maybe could be someday, in a natural disaster emergency type situation.
Whichever engine I order, my plan is to get a 3.21 rear end this time. I drive a lot at 80 MPH and the 3.92 has me turning 2200 RPMs. A 3.21 should have me at 1800. I am EXPECTING to get 1 or 2 MPG better (from a Hemi) just from that change. My current average (calculated by Fuelly, where I have logged every fill-up I have ever done in my '19) is 14.1MPG. If that went up to 16 with a new Hemi, that would still be a major improvement (and savings) for me.
If you have any input to help me decide between the Hemi w/eTorque or the ED, I would be happy to hear it. And if you actually read this far, thank you!
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Had I not driven them back to back, I doubt if I would have noticed a difference. My three previous Ram's have all been 3.92. When I jumped in the Big Horn ED 3.21 it felt fine, and honestly, would have bought it except that it did not have the LED headlights and it had the Rambox, which I did not want again.
I agree with that general sentiment, but not the mileage. Diesels need to be hot, and running cold creates more wear internally than when they’re hot. That’s nothing new about diesels. The dpf is the bigger issue with running cold and short trips. There will be much more soot generation from driving while the engine is cold and stop/go traffic. It only takes 10-ish miles of highway driving to see a 1% decrease in dpf soot content (viewed through my idash) and the soot level drops more rapidly the farther I drive at highway speeds. I’ve seen a decrease in percentage from mid 50’s to mid 20’s when driving non-stop for ~2hrs on the highway, and saw an increase of 11% this morning for a 13 mile short highwayish trip. I think that in itself shows why city/short driving isn’t good for these diesels. Same goes for idling.
