Pull Capacity Build

[Ramit392]

Looking at different Rams online that are on the Lots we can see under Specifications on most dealer web sites the pull Capacities listed for each truck selected. But whats weird is some will have 3.92 with E-locker and tow packages with only 8100 Lbs Tow capacity. Rarely do we see any with 11000 to 11600 Tow capacity in the specs. Any one know why or how the configurations are determined for max pull weights?

 

[ChadT]

I think the best towing ones have a special rear axle package only available in 4x2?
I could be dead wrong on that (please be gentle, I havent had my coffee yet!)

But as a general rule of thumb here, the more options a truck has, the more it subtracts from the payload and capacities. That would effect tongueweight and GCWR

Meaning:
- the best tow vehicle is probably something like a lightly optioned tradesman model with 4x2 and a hemi

 

[geotex1]

It's a combination of particular motor, 2 or 4wd, gear ratio, limited slip or locker, and bed length. It may not be a rule in the 5th gen - I haven't checked, but long wheelbase (6'-4" bed length) have the higher ratings typically. My 2019 with regular Hemi, 3.92 limited slip, 6'-4" bed, Laramie is the 11K.

 

[cruz-in]

I found the dealer websites are often wrong,. Here is a link to the 2019 RAM Guide.

2019 Ram Towing Guide Click Here

 

[Longhorn5G]

I found the dealer websites are often wrong,. Here is a link to the 2019 RAM Guide.

2019 Ram Towing Guide Click Here

Thats exactly what i refer to as well. I have it downloaded in my phone and as soon as I am not too lazy to print it, going into my Glovebox with my applicable section highlighted.

 

[19Jake]

4x4 3.92 Hemi Crew 5.7'
11,340 towing
1840 payload

 

[Zeronet]

Check the yellow payload sticker inside your drivers door. It will list the ACTUAL payload for YOUR truck. Don’t believe the published general numbers. Your actual truck may be significantly different due to trim and options. Your actual maximum trailer weight numbers are likely to be slightly lower as well due to the added weight of trim/options. See the Please Post Your Tire And Loading Sticker thread in the Towing section for a full explaination.

 

[cruz-in]

"Your actual maximum trailer weight numbers are likely to be slightly lower as well due to the added weight of trim/options. "

Payload numbers are lower due to options but I do not think the max trailer weight you can tow is.

Other than indirectly as you are payload (tongue weight) limited and reach payload capacity, due to tongue weight, far before you reach the towing capacity.

 

[Zeronet]

"Your actual maximum trailer weight numbers are likely to be slightly lower as well due to the added weight of trim/options. "

Payload numbers are lower due to options but I do not think the max trailer weight you can tow is.

Other than indirectly as you are payload (tongue weight) limited and reach payload capacity, due to tongue weight, far before you reach the towing capacity.

I was referring to Gross COMBINED Weight Rating - the maximum amount the truck and trailer combination can weigh.

Max trailer tow weight is limited by GCWR (normally 17000lbs for a 3.92 equipped 4x4 for example). So the more your truck weighs (including all the trim/options, accessories, passengers and payload) the less GCWR is available for trailer weight.

For example if your yellow payload sticker says you have 1300lbs of payload (down from 1840 in the Ram towing guide due to trim/option weight) then your truck weighs 5800lbs empty (assuming a 7100 GVWR 4x4). Then add in say 600lbs of driver/passengers/payload/hitch/accessories. Now your truck weighs 6400 loaded. Subtract that 6400 from the 17000 max GCWR and you would have 10600 as a max trailer weight. That’s lower than the 11300+ rating in the tow chart. Just like the max payload number, the max trailer weight number in the towing chart is just a starting point. You still need to do the math for your particular vehicle, it’s contents, and your trailer.

All that is pretty moot, as your trailer tongue weight will likely put you over max payload long before you hit the max trailer weight, as you said.

Again, don’t be fooled by the advertised max towing and payload numbers.

 

[ChadT]

I was referring to Gross COMBINED Weight Rating - the maximum amount the truck and trailer combination can weigh.

Max trailer tow weight is limited by GCWR (normally 17000lbs for a 3.92 equipped 4x4 for example). So the more your truck weighs (including all the trim/options, accessories, passengers and payload) the less GCWR is available for trailer weight.

For example if your yellow payload sticker says you have 1300lbs of payload (down from 1840 in the Ram towing guide due to trim/option weight) then your truck weighs 5800lbs empty (assuming a 7100 GVWR 4x4). Then add in say 600lbs of driver/passengers/payload/hitch/accessories. Now your truck weighs 6400 loaded. Subtract that 6400 from the 17000 max GCWR and you would have 10600 as a max trailer weight. That’s lower than the 11300+ rating in the tow chart. Just like the max payload number, the max trailer weight number in the towing chart is just a starting point. You still need to do the math for your particular vehicle, it’s contents, and your trailer.

All that is pretty moot, as your trailer tongue weight will likely put you over max payload long before you hit the max trailer weight, as you said.

Again, don’t be fooled by the advertised max towing and payload numbers.

This is true, and it's true across brand and pick ups.

I have a Rebel, rebels are heavy.
Skid plates, locker, I believe the transfer case is heavier duty (Hence no Auto), offroad bumpers, extra rubber, you name it.

Here's my door sticker.
If I got the moonroof, air suspension, and etorque, those options would have made the payload lower.
Step rails? Lower still.
The air suspension will level with WAY more than the sticker, but the GVWR/GCWR would be lower.
Rebel12 likely would have been even heavier due to the high quality leather on the seats and the extra doo-dads.

The last generation rams, lowest doorsticker I ever saw was "727lbs".
He had a fully loaded crew cab, hemi, 22in wheels, etc.
Supposedly, I wish I could find the article, one of the new Raptors totally decked out when weighed? Had a payload of like 650lbs. I'm dead serious.

Loaded halftons, particularly ones with softer offroad suspensions? Higher payload is a tough ask.

 

[habu987]

This is true, and it's true across brand and pick ups.
...
Supposedly, I wish I could find the article, one of the new Raptors totally decked out when weighed? Had a payload of like 650lbs. I'm dead serious.

Loaded halftons, particularly ones with softer offroad suspensions? Higher payload is a tough ask.

I believe the 2019 F-150 Limited with the Raptor engine that TFL did a video test on a few weeks ago had a payload of somewhere around 800 lbs.

 

[ChadT]

I believe the 2019 F-150 Limited with the Raptor engine that TFL did a video test on a few weeks ago had a payload of somewhere around 800 lbs.

Notice that the Raptor/power wagon debate never gets to that part. Where the powerwagon has double the payload, is a true heavyduty truck AND has 2 solid axles.

It makes sense does it not?
SOFTER shocks, skid-plates, much heavier truck with beefier parts, same/similar GVWR (frame, brakes, axles etc).
Payloads go down.
The rebel TRX will likely be the same way.
Just the nature of the beast.

The 3/4tons by comparison, bigger beefier everything, and while rides have gotten better, they are stiffer riding too, and that's not what Baja jumping needs.

The Rebel really is a good happy medium.
Proper tires, a lift, skidplates, locker, ground clearance, but it's still useful as a truck, not sagging with little weight in the back, and not 6in wider and harder to park.
AND at lower cost.

 

[Ramit392]

All good information and comments to take in after owning trucks of the past all with different pay loads and pull loads and of course tongue weights. The 2019 having increased tongue weight which most likely increases pull load caps as well as rear wheels are now 6 lug replacing 5 lug from the past being for the 1/2 ton 1500 trucks respectively . My particular truck is rated for 11200. Lbs. and was when I built it at the dealer before ordering it, But I see the exact same build of my truck on the car lot web sites with same options and trim listing 8400 lbs in specs. pages which must be the incorrect actual specs for the truck they are listing as some of you have stated. Noticed when building my truck at dealer "heavy Duty Shocks"increases payload and pulling caps as well. Nice information on the rebels here as well as the Rebels when looking at build specs at Dealer is different than most other trims.

 

[Ramit392]

4x4 3.92 Hemi Crew 5.7'
11,340 towing
1840 payload
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My build is almost the exact same as yours with exact same tow and payload numbers, but if we compare ours to many on the web site dealers it mostly listed as 8400 lbs towing and not the 11200 as we built. Was thinking it was weird and wondered how dealers were coming up with it? Was what influenced the start of this thread asking others opinion. Must be the dealer specs are not listed correctly on many trucks listed on the web site for sale as mentioned on this thread.

 

[ChadT]

My build is almost the exact same as yours with exact same tow and payload numbers, but if we compare ours to many on the web site dealers it mostly listed as 8400 lbs towing and not the 11200 as we built. Was thinking it was weird and wondered how dealers were coming up with it? Was what influenced the start of this thread asking others opinion. Must be the dealer specs are not listed correctly on many trucks listed on the web site for sale as mentioned on this thread.

Disregard the websites.
What do your 2 door stickers read?
The white one and gray one.

We need to find out:
- payload
- GVWR
- GCWR

GCWR is the biggy.
That is, your truck, its payload, and whatever its towing.

With a laramie and your options I would ballpark your payload at 1250lbs.
With mods (if you re-weighed it), 1200lbs.
Meaning, GVWR of 7100lbs, scale weight of 5900lbs.
1200lbs remaining for the driver and cargo.

IF so?
When towing if you have, let's say yourself and a passenger, 400lbs
800lbs payload remaining for tongue weight.
10% minimum tongue weight, remaining trailer capacity 8000lbs.

Ensure its all under the combined GCWR etc

 

[devildodge]

7100 for 4wd. 6900 for 2wd. GVWR. There are others...but these are the 2 main.

Talking Hemi, there are 2 GCWR, one for 3.21 and one for 3.92.
this is the only real reason to go with a 3.92 over a 3.21
They are 13900 and 17000.

The max tow is a quad cab 2wd hemi with eTorque equipped bighorn/tradesman with the Dana Super 60 and 3.92. That axle is what makes Max tow. And it has a GCWR of 18200 notice that this alone is 1200 pounds more.

But that truck isn't max payload. That is a quadcab bighorn/tradesman with V6 in 2wd.

The numbers are not going to be right on charts and configurators. They are set for a certain combination that hardly anyone on this site has bought.

We have discussed this in great length in many threads.

Payload takes away from GVWR and GCWR. The more payload you have the less trailer you can tow. The more trailer you have the less you can haul.

Hope this is clear. I (and others) have tried numerous times.

 

[Chris]

Sounds like the formula on the dealer site is shared between the new 2019 and the 2019 classic, thus Lower numbers.

 

[ChadT]

7100 for 4wd. 6900 for 2wd. GVWR. There are others...but these are the 2 main.

Talking Hemi, there are 2 GCWR, one for 3.21 and one for 3.92.
this is the only real reason to go with a 3.92 over a 3.21
They are 13900 and 17000.

The max tow is a quad cab 2wd hemi with eTorque equipped bighorn/tradesman with the Dana Super 60 and 3.92. That axle is what makes Max tow. And it has a GCWR of 18200 notice that this alone is 1200 pounds more.

But that truck isn't max payload. That is a quadcab bighorn/tradesman with V6 in 2wd.

The numbers are not going to be right on charts and configurators. They are set for a certain combination that hardly anyone on this site has bought.

We have discussed this in great length in many threads.

Payload takes away from GVWR and GCWR. The more payload you have the less trailer you can tow. The more trailer you have the less you can haul.

Hope this is clear. I (and others) have tried numerous times.

And there we are, that's a very comprehensive post on the topic!

Additionally, the tradesman models are lighter weight and have less options, on the same frame, axles, engines etc.
The result is the higher capacities.
Once options like leather, running boards, etc, start getting added, the doorsticker comes down for payload and towing. This is true no matter what a website configurator showing a truck of your model without your options says, or a cut and pasted dealer website says.
Those are not guidelines on YOUR truck as optioned and delivered.

There are platinum F250 diesels with doorstickers in the 1900s or less.
Same with the Ram 2500s.
Those diesel engines are SUPER heavy, as are all the creature comforts, extra leather, running boards, bigger wheels and tires, you name it.

On a website, Ford might say the Raptor has, lets say, 1200lbs payload.
The commercial says, "Ford F-150 with 10,000+ lbs towing"
The ultra platinum raptor a guy ends up buying with 800lbs on the doorsticker, does not have 1200lbs payload.
Nor 10,000lbs towing.
It does not have the tongue weight to do it.
It may have the engine, sure, but the brakes, shocks, frame etc, still matter.
At 800lbs with a 200lb driver, assuming 600lbs tongue weight at 10% of a 6,000lb trailer?
It's effectively 6,000lbs max towing.
Nowhere near 10,000lbs on his model, as configured. That's just how it is.

 

[ChadT]

Sounds like the formula on the dealer site is shared between the new 2019 and the 2019 classic, thus Lower numbers.

It's a guideline and not absolute.
Throw open your door and find the sticker to find out for sure, what our trucks as optioned have left!

The 5th gen payloads are much better than the 4th gen ones prettymuch across the board.
Sub 1000lb payloads were not at all uncommon. Nor were sub 900lb doorstickers.
We aren't the only brand that this happens to!

 

[Ramit392]

The dealer sites has to have information off or using "canned Specs for all 1500 series trucks. I most certainly would not think FCA would specify Pulling capacities and payloads to Customers who are ordering trucks VIA dealers with a print out in hand of the orders with pulling capacities and payloads being false print outs on the order sheets. its most likely dealers are posting "Canned" Specs for the trucks for sale on the dealer web sites. Giving customers print sheets after making orders with false written specs would be some serious ramifications later from some IMO.