Right, it's looking like if you can get a dealer discount at 5k on top of manf incentives on a BTS it's a good deal, anything over that is great. I've had quite a few tell me no dd on top of incentives because they are selling quickly.Which is why when people post their deals all they need to do is put MSRP, dealer discount, rebates (including what each one was). But people want to show how they got the best deal over others so they focus on OTD or just say rebates and it’s a useless comparison for someone trying to gauge their deal.