Lifters loud on Hemi?

[Nails]

What up fellas ... Im new. And im super pissed today. I switched over to RAM after being a long time Ford Owner. I own a 2020 Ram 1500 limited. The loud knock started this weekend ... I parked the car the rest of Memorial Day weekend, had it towed back to dealer first thing Tuesday. I indeed had a collapsed lifter on valve 3 - creating misfires and loud knock. The dealer is going to "fix" the issue. I spend $60K on a truck , have it for 5 months, 6400 miles and im stuck with a bunk *** engine. BS. I wanted a new engine put in, but they wont do it. I may end up selling the damn thing and going back to Ford

I agree, I wasn’t happy either. It did get fixed, no noise now for weeks. I’m happy again, give it a shot first.

 

[Question the Answer]

What up fellas ... Im new. And im super pissed today. I switched over to RAM after being a long time Ford Owner. I own a 2020 Ram 1500 limited. The loud knock started this weekend ... I parked the car the rest of Memorial Day weekend, had it towed back to dealer first thing Tuesday. I indeed had a collapsed lifter on valve 3 - creating misfires and loud knock. The dealer is going to "fix" the issue. I spend $60K on a truck , have it for 5 months, 6400 miles and im stuck with a bunk *** engine. BS. I wanted a new engine put in, but they wont do it. I may end up selling the damn thing and going back to Ford

I know how this can be frustrating and I am experience possibly a similar issue with the exact mileage on my truck. But if you like it, other than the lifter issue, you should at least let them attempt to fix under warranty. You already lost a chunk on depreciation when you left the dealers lot, so what have you got to lose? If the engine does not perform to your liking post repair, look into selling it down the road as an out. If on the other hand, it drives great and you have plenty of time on the warranty being so new, I would keep it at least until power-train warranty expires. You may love the truck and forget the engine issue years later. At least you know for sure what it is and can get it addressed. I am still on the fence what I am going through and that unknown is driving me nuts. Keep us informed after the repair is done.

 

[Willwork4truck]

I know how this can be frustrating and I am experience possibly a similar issue with the exact mileage on my truck. But if you like it, other than the lifter issue, you should at least let them attempt to fix under warranty. You already lost a chunk on depreciation when you left the dealers lot, so what have you got to lose? If the engine does not perform to your liking post repair, look into selling it down the road as an out. If on the other hand, it drives great and you have plenty of time on the warranty being so new, I would keep it at least until power-train warranty expires. You may love the truck and forget the engine issue years later. At least you know for sure what it is and can get it addressed. I am still on the fence what I am going through and that unknown is driving me nuts. Keep us informed after the repair is done.

Exactly, good advice. He will lose thousands, heck tens of thousands making that switch. Ferd is no panacea either, just read their forums...(and allow plentyyy of time).

 

[Nails]

So I have taken two trips to PA from NY and logged about 600 miles over the last two weekends. I did experiment with the Eco light to see when MDS kicks in and out. I definitely noticed a more pronounced and frequent knock when lightly accelerating in Eco mode (4 cylinder) and it goes into 8 cylinder mode. When I engaged the shift points on the steering wheel to -8, thereby bypassing Eco mode, it was quieter, knock wise when accelerating lightly. But, when accelerating harder from let's say 50 MPH to 65 MPH, I could here some knocking for a second or two. This required a harder press of the accelerator, but I could hear it. I tried this many times, on level as well as hilly roads. So I thought I had it figured out with the Eco mode cycling on an off but now I am convinced that is not entirely the issue. Can the dealer tell by hooking it up to a scan tool if the lifter(s) is/are bad? I have a feeling this is going to be a tough dealer fight since it took me quite a bit of road time to finally hear the differences under different driving modes.

It’s going to be tough. Real quick, before I throw a bunch of BS to you. Make sure your running 89 or higher. From what you described it’s pinging, I maybe wrong, I’m not there with you. Could be a damn lifter. Just don’t want you to waste your time going to dealer, they will yell fuel Octane issue.

Being it’s intermittent(not all the time noise) with 89 or above fuel, but with certain driving conditions, may make it easier. Best bet for you atm is to record it and multiple times. It will give the tech a better chance to experience it for themselves. Plus they can use your video(s) as evidence to help claim on fix.
hope that helps, good luck

 

[JTMachineDesign]

I've read through this thread with interest. I've had 6 hemis in my lifetime.. only the first one wasn't new when I got it (1954 Firepower 331). Never had a problem with any of them. My wife's '05 5.7 Grand Cherokee now has 240K miles on it, My 2019 1500 has 13K. Both of them have that little rattle when they cold start but it totally goes away in a couple of seconds. The only way I know the 1500 is switching in and out of ECO mode is the light, absolutely no difference in noise or drive-ability when going in and out of ECO mode. No noises in any mode including towing. It's averaging 2mpg better than my previous two Dakotas with 4.7s
The VVT 5.7 mated to the 8 speed transmission are another Mopar winner for me.

 

[Orion10182011]

At start up you will hear it almost every time especially if the truck has been sitting around for a week or so (like your on vacation etc). As far as after that initial start I never heard it in my 09 Challenger R/T and I never hear it on the truck either. To me if it seems excessive to you, take it in and get it on record with the dealer.

Yeah that's typical. All the oil has drained down into the pan. You will get a bit of noise till the oil pump gets oil up into everything. Especially on cold days when the oil is thick as hell. This is where synthetic oil really shines. It gets up there and lubes much faster when cold.

Also I kind of wonder if people are sometimes mistaking fuel injectors clicking for lifter noise?

 

[RamCares]

What up fellas ... Im new. And im super pissed today. I switched over to RAM after being a long time Ford Owner. I own a 2020 Ram 1500 limited. The loud knock started this weekend ... I parked the car the rest of Memorial Day weekend, had it towed back to dealer first thing Tuesday. I indeed had a collapsed lifter on valve 3 - creating misfires and loud knock. The dealer is going to "fix" the issue. I spend $60K on a truck , have it for 5 months, 6400 miles and im stuck with a bunk *** engine. BS. I wanted a new engine put in, but they wont do it. I may end up selling the damn thing and going back to Ford

So I have taken two trips to PA from NY and logged about 600 miles over the last two weekends. I did experiment with the Eco light to see when MDS kicks in and out. I definitely noticed a more pronounced and frequent knock when lightly accelerating in Eco mode (4 cylinder) and it goes into 8 cylinder mode. When I engaged the shift points on the steering wheel to -8, thereby bypassing Eco mode, it was quieter, knock wise when accelerating lightly. But, when accelerating harder from let's say 50 MPH to 65 MPH, I could here some knocking for a second or two. This required a harder press of the accelerator, but I could hear it. I tried this many times, on level as well as hilly roads. So I thought I had it figured out with the Eco mode cycling on an off but now I am convinced that is not entirely the issue. Can the dealer tell by hooking it up to a scan tool if the lifter(s) is/are bad? I have a feeling this is going to be a tough dealer fight since it took me quite a bit of road time to finally hear the differences under different driving modes.

Hi @panic1978 & @Question the Answer - I am incredibly sorry that you are already experiencing this with your trucks. Please know that I would be more than happy to ensure that we have your situations documented, as well as escalate cases on your behalf so that a specialist can work alongside your dealer while addressing this. If it would be of interest, our team is just a private message away to get the process started.

Mark
RamCares

 

[Diamondback]

... Can the dealer tell by hooking it up to a scan tool if the lifter(s) is/are bad? I have a feeling this is going to be a tough dealer fight since it took me quite a bit of road time to finally hear the differences under different driving modes.

They hook up a "pod" to the diag port, use wiTECh and watch for misfires on any (all) cylinders. If any are noted, they will remove the intake manifold and the oil control valve and check for metal shavings. If they are found, it generally means a new engine (they will look into the mileage and may even replace it for free). If a misfire was reported, they will do simple trouble shooting: swap spark plugs with another cylinder and coil packs with a different cylinder. If the misfires move, then they know to replace the plugs or coils on the new misfiring cylinder. If the misfire stays with the same cylinder, they will pull the cam and lifters and inspect for wear (you should see some of them!). That is when they can just replace the cam and lifters and get you back on your feet.

What up fellas ... Im new. And im super pissed today. I switched over to RAM after being a long time Ford Owner. I own a 2020 Ram 1500 limited. The loud knock started this weekend ... I parked the car the rest of Memorial Day weekend, had it towed back to dealer first thing Tuesday. I indeed had a collapsed lifter on valve 3 - creating misfires and loud knock. The dealer is going to "fix" the issue. I spend $60K on a truck , have it for 5 months, 6400 miles and im stuck with a bunk *** engine. BS. I wanted a new engine put in, but they wont do it. I may end up selling the damn thing and going back to Ford

I grew up hard-core Chevy (the older pushrod types) and know how that feels. I was shocked to see these new "HEMIs" were pushrods. So, I'm not shocked at all, myself, with the engine wear that has been happening. It's covered. So whether or not you stay with MOPAR, good luck.

 

[Nails]

Most hemi tick related to lifter(s) on lower mileage engines is due to lack of holding its prime on its hydraulic side. Usually just 1 or 2 individual.
All cam wiping lifter faults are due to roller bearing faults.
but simple enough, to me is. any internal noise usually valve train In this case, is clearance issue.

Added clearance means added/accelerated wear which will result into more then normal metal moving through out the rest of engine. Yes the noise bothered me, especially when I’m next to other vehicles pushing 200k that were quite lol.
at the same over period of time debris moving through rest of important bearing areas was my main beef of getting it done. That damage probably show up after warranty.

 

[Gerry]

We understand why this would be concerning, kmck94. Please send us a private message if you decide to have your dealer look into this. We would be happy to get a case started for you so a Case Specialist can work with your dealer to help find a potential solution.
Lydia
Ram Social Care Specialist

I'm having the same issue. Loud at start up ,and under loud through all the gears. It's in the dealership now, and I pick it up today, but when I spoke to them. They said they couldn't hear anything.. it's very loud. It's is easily heard.. frustrated!!

 

[RamCares]

I'm having the same issue. Loud at start up ,and under loud through all the gears. It's in the dealership now, and I pick it up today, but when I spoke to them. They said they couldn't hear anything.. it's very loud. It's is easily heard.. frustrated!!

I sincerely apologize for the frustration, Gerry. Please do not hesitate to follow up with our customer care team for further support. You may call in at 866-726-4636 or submit your info here to receive an email follow up. https://bit.ly/3fy5Kfo

Mark
RamCares

 

[Tombato]

Hi northernrebel,
Thank you for letting us know that you are experiencing this. Have you had a chance to address this with your dealer? We suggest also having this documented with Ram Customer Care. Are you located in Canada by any chance? If so, you can find the contact information for Canadian Ram Customer Care by clicking on the following link and scrolling down to the Canada tab: https://www.fcagroup.com/en-US/footer/Pages/contacts.aspx . Please let us know if you have any questions.
Lydia
Ram Social Care Specialist

I just contacted the RAM dealer that services mine. I have a 2019 5th gen at 53,000 mi plus. for the past 20 to 30,000 mi anyways I have heard a marbling when accelerating to merge onto the highway generally and usually when I'm over 3,000 RPM. I'm not talking about startup and I use the full synthetic oil It also happens when I take it out of MDS. The customer service tech wasn't exactly sure what I was referring to but said they would be glad to take a look at it which I'm going to have them do on my next oil change. It seemed to me I learned a long time ago that using better gas gets rid of it and I think it does but I shouldn't have to buy premium gas to eliminate it.

 

[Jeffrey_Sasquatch]

When your truck tells you that it's in Eco-Mode, if equiped, that is actually when the MDS SYSTEM is kicking in. Yes, it does make a noise when 4 of the cylinders are shut down. Kinda sounds like a Volkswagon diesel. That is normal for the 5.7 Hemi to do. I know it gets irritating, but unfortunatly that is one of the side effects of having MDS on a Hemi, even the 6.4 Hemi's do it. Not sure if the 6.2 Hemi's do or not.

 

[Billy James]

When your truck tells you that it's in Eco-Mode, if equiped, that is actually when the MDS SYSTEM is kicking in. Yes, it does make a noise when 4 of the cylinders are shut down. Kinda sounds like a Volkswagon diesel. That is normal for the 5.7 Hemi to do. I know it gets irritating, but unfortunatly that is one of the side effects of having MDS on a Hemi, even the 6.4 Hemi's do it. Not sure if the 6.2 Hemi's do or not.

That's unfortunate that FCA engineers cannot make a MDS system that doesn't rattle. I had a 6.0 GM with a MDS system and it would just hum a little (like a 4 cylinder). My 5.7 Hemi sounds like a diesel and rattles like crazy.