Last Ram I'll buy

[theblet]

Is this issue only on the V-8s?

As far as I know yes

 

[HSKR R/T]

They won’t consider it a recall until a certain amount of people die from it. And the courts would have to prove the cause of death is directly from the manifold leak.

I think they should at least extend the warranty like they did with the AAD. That probably won’t happen either.

There doesn't need to be deaths for them to issue a recall.

 

[theblet]

There doesn't need to be deaths for them to issue a recall.

Right, but I doubt they would issue a recall unless that happened

 

[BowDown]

I understand that. I was asking why it's "extra time" to replace broken bolts, when it's doesn't take extra time.

Everything is billable at a shop, need to extract broken studs, there's a billing code for that which = extra time, which = extra pay. Additionally, you cant always remove a broken stud with vise grips, sometimes you need to weld a nut to it and turn it out or drill it out and retap the thread.
Also, an extra billable charge for broken exhaust manifold bolts means the dealer can charge the customer more if its out of warranty and also then back the charge out as a "goodwill" gesture to the customer. Kinda like marking a tv up before black friday then reducing the price back down on black friday to fool uneducated people

 

[Cbty2050]

How would replacing broken bolts be more time than replacing the manifolds?

Extracting a broken bolt vs not.... common sense explains why it takes longer.

 

[Cbty2050]

Because stealerships.

No IF a broken bolt needs to be extracted, there will be an extra charge. Doesn't matter if uncle wally's garage or dealership is doing it.

 

[6of36]

There doesn't need to be deaths for them to issue a recall.

There doesn't have to BE a death, but there has to be a possibility. Recalls are only issued for safety issues. Every car company has poorly designed issues that fail on a regular basis, but nothing is done about it.

 

[HSKR R/T]

There doesn't have to BE a death, but there has to be a possibility. Recalls are only issued for safety issues. Every car company has poorly designed issues that fail on a regular basis, but nothing is done about it.

And a leaking exhaust manifold due to cracking has the potential to cause deaths

 

[6of36]

And a leaking exhaust manifold due to cracking has the potential to cause deaths

That's up to the NHTSA to decide. Highly unlikely it will leak bad enough to raise CO levels above danger level in cab. If someone was to prove it did, they would have to. But they won't for a defect. I worked for a municipality, that bought Chevy vans. They had to replace over 50 intake manifolds, when Chevy had a poor design, that all leaked. Chevy redesigned, but did not pay the cost of repairs for vehicles with the bad design.

 

[BowDown]

And a leaking exhaust manifold due to cracking has the potential to cause deaths

Only if you bought a truck with those buster burro 3.92's. Those cause the engine to work harder (short leg syndrome) which sends more exhaust fumes through the cracks in the manifolds into the cabin

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

Only if you bought a truck with those buster burro 3.92's. Those cause the engine to work harder (short leg syndrome) which sends more exhaust fumes through the cracks in the manifolds into the cabin

Maybe if your 3.92 has you hanging with these guys...


Or these....

 

[RHut]

How did you know they needed replacing - noise or ??

yes. infamous "hemi tick"

 

[Sir Ramcelot]

Well when the Hurricane HO replaces the Hemi in the 2025 models, that issue will be a thing of the past so of course Stellantis won’t re-design it now.

 

[theblet]

Well when the Hurricane HO replaces the Hemi in the 2025 models, that issue will be a thing of the past so of course Stellantis won’t re-design it now.

Maybe, but they could still use the same manufacturer/material for hurricane exhaust manifolds. Only time will tell.

 

[Cbty2050]

Maybe, but they could still use the same manufacturer/material for hurricane exhaust manifolds. Only time will tell.

3.0 Hurricane engine is a twin turbocharger design.

 

[theblet]

3.0 Hurricane engine is a twin turbocharger design.

yup

 

[Cbty2050]

yup

The turbochargers bolt directly to the cylinder head.

 

[CalvinC]

That is a fantastic design, both for spool and for design strength/reliability. It's why the 2.7 EcoBoost is less problematic than the 3.5's (and even 5.0's).

 

[theblet]

Hopefully they dont crack.