If the 5.7 Hemi goes away in 2024, I'm out of the RAM

[CalvinC]

No to mention 4.5 sec 0-60 ain’t gonna happen. That’s TRX territory with 200 less HP.

Sorry to say high 3s and low 4s are pretty easy and affordable to achieve, so very commonplace in EcoBoost land these days. I have no doubt the same will be true once the aftermarket gets cozy with the Hurricane.

 

[HSKR R/T]

It feels fast because you drove the snot out of it. But that's not how I drive, I drive more like a little old lady most times. Completely unhurried, and if I hit 2300 RPMs somebody's probably dying somewhere and needs my help. So that reliable, linear low end grunt is very important to me. I do want more towing power, that's where the turbo will help at 2300+, but I want that grunt from a big N/A v8 not a windup toy.

My next move will probably be upwards to a 2500/250, those Fords look good but that will only be if Ram drops the 6.4 and has nothing to replace it with that competes with the 6.8 at the very least.

Havent seen real world dyno numbers from the Hurricane, but I've read several articles saying the Hurricane makes more torque at lower RPM than either of the Hemis it is replacing. So if the "grunt" is what you want, the I-6 Hurricane provides more of it, earlier in power band. Unless by "grunt" you just mean sound

 

[Dewey]

Sorry to say high 3s and low 4s are pretty easy and affordable to achieve, so very commonplace in EcoBoost land these days. I have no doubt the same will be true once the aftermarket gets cozy with the Hurricane.

I’m talking stock. Obviously skies the limit with aftermarket.

 

[John Galt]

I’m talking stock. Obviously skies the limit with aftermarket.

Yeah I don’t want to spend $70k a n a brand new truck and then spend more modding it, making it less reliable and bolting on a mass of Jerry-rigged extras that weren’t really thought of when the truck was designed. Also I like having a warranty.

I learned in my 20s that “settling“ on a lesser product and then modding into what you actually wanted is always time-consuming and more expensive than just buying the thing I really wanted.

…..and I would posit anyone who buys trucks for 0-60 times isn‘t really looking for a truck.

Would you tow a heavy trailer even once a week with a tiny high-strung twin turbo? I would not.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Yeah I don’t want to spend $70k a n a brand new truck and then spend more modding it, making it less reliable and bolting on a mass of Jerry-rigged extras that weren’t really thought of when the truck was designed. Also I like having a warranty.

I learned in my 20s that “settling“ on a lesser product and then modding into what you actually wanted is always time-consuming and more expensive than just buying the thing I really wanted.

…..and I would posit anyone who buys trucks for 0-60 times isn‘t really looking for a truck.

Would you tow a heavy trailer even once a week with a tiny high-strung twin turbo? I would not.

High strung? The Hurricane engines have the same redline as the Hemi. And you have to spin the RPMs higher in the Hemi to reach the max HP/TQ numbers.

 

[John Galt]

High strung? The Hurricane engines have the same redline as the Hemi. And you have to spin the RPMs higher in the Hemi to reach the max HP/TQ numbers.

Ok well then enjoy your Hurricane. Clearly it’s better.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Ok well then enjoy your Hurricane. Clearly it’s better.

LOL@ the sarcasm of defeat.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Ok well then enjoy your Hurricane. Clearly it’s better.

On paper it is. Seems most people trying to talk bad about it don't even know anything about it, other than it's a 6cyl turbo, and not a Hemi.

 

[SD Rebel]

I think the Hurricane, assuming no major reliability/durability issues is better in every performance metric against the Hemi except sound, which of course is subjective. Worries about gas turbo engines are valid. But not like the Hemi itself isn't without known faults, even today people are worried about roller pins and exhaust manifold bolts. I'm not sure if I can trust even my more simple non E-Torque Hemi beyond 100k without issue either.

That being said, I would love options, that they can keep the Hemi in the line-up, but due to CO2 requirements, it's days are numbered. And unlike GM, which is upgrading their V8s for the next gen, Stellantis is not.

The best we will have in the RAM 1500 lineup in the future if we aren't ready for full EV, is a Hurricane with very likely a hybrid and possibly plug-in capabilities. Honestly not a bad near future, if they could just do something about the sound.

 

[silver billet]

Havent seen real world dyno numbers from the Hurricane, but I've read several articles saying the Hurricane makes more torque at lower RPM than either of the Hemis it is replacing. So if the "grunt" is what you want, the I-6 Hurricane provides more of it, earlier in power band. Unless by "grunt" you just mean sound

Yes I've seen the specs too. The proof is in the pudding though, recent reviews are not all that promising. Every modern turbo out there you can find reports of turbo lag, especially from a rolling start. Check out reviews of the Colorado/Canyon for example.

But even if the power is better, that's not the end goal. This shouldn't be that hard to understand either considering Ford's strategy.

At this point it looks like Ram is headed down and out with no v8's, Ford is keeping theirs for the forseeable future and heck GM just doubled down. It would be a sad day if the current king of American muscle just takes their ball and goes home leaving us Ram fans dangling in the wind with little windup toys.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Yes I've seen the specs too. The proof is in the pudding though, recent reviews are not all that promising. Every modern turbo out there you can find reports of turbo lag, especially from a rolling start. Check out reviews of the Colorado/Canyon for example.

But even if the power is better, that's not the end goal. This shouldn't be that hard to understand either considering Ford's strategy.

At this point it looks like Ram is headed down and out with no v8's, Ford is keeping theirs for the forseeable future and heck GM just doubled down. It would be a sad day if the current king of American muscle just takes their ball and goes home leaving us Ram fans dangling in the wind with little windup toys.

To me it sounds like the Hurricane will only be in the 1500s. The 6.4 will still be an option in the 2500.

And turbo lag? Really? That's someone with zero experience driving turbos making things up. Does it exist, yes, just nature of the beast with a turbo engine. But it's not as big of a deal as some want to make it out to be. Even with "turbo lag" it still makes better power at at a lower RPM than the Hemi. Turbo lag was an issue on older turbo engines. Modern turbos have addressed thst to get the turbo spooling faster. And a 6cyl is goin to spool faster than a 4cyl.

 

[John Galt]

LOL@ the sarcasm of defeat.

Yeah, I always let the paper racers win.

 

[Darksteel165]

On paper it is. Seems most people trying to talk bad about it don't even know anything about it, other than it's a 6cyl turbo, and not a Hemi.

You seem to be missing the point.
It's going to be kicking the Hemi out soon.
I don't think ANYONE would care if they Hurricane came out and Ram committed to keeping the 5.7 Hemi or another large v8 style engine.

The problem is the Hurricane is going to be kicking the Hemi out at least on the 1500s based upon Ram's current track record. There is almost no information that makes it looks like they will keep the 5.7 around. eTorque being the only option for 2023s, and eTorque being junk compared to the alternative which is why they will no longer use it.
eTorque is not on the 6.4, and as far as I know they will not be offering it on the Hurricane engine so why support such a pointless mild hybrid system. If anything they should of axe'd the etorque and kept the 5.7 as the only option for 2023 and then offer the hurricane for their epa ratings and keep the 5.7 alone OR retire the 5.7 and put 6.4s in the 1500s at an extra $1000 over the 5.7

 

[John Galt]

Can’t wait for FCA to announce they’re bringing back the minivan.

 

[Eighty]

To me it sounds like the Hurricane will only be in the 1500s. The 6.4 will still be an option in the 2500.

And turbo lag? Really? That's someone with zero experience driving turbos making things up. Does it exist, yes, just nature of the beast with a turbo engine. But it's not as big of a deal as some want to make it out to be. Even with "turbo lag" it still makes better power at at a lower RPM than the Hemi. Turbo lag was an issue on older turbo engines. Modern turbos have addressed thst to get the turbo spooling faster. And a 6cyl is goin to spool faster than a 4cyl.

I don’t know, man. I notice a huge difference between my truck and my wife’s twin turbo Navigator. I always forget about the lag until I’m jumping into a tight gap - one that my truck would easily make it into. It isn’t a horsepower thing (it has 500 HP), it’s the spool-up that is noticeable. Personally, it would drive me nuts on a daily basis until I was used to it.

 

[HSKR R/T]

You seem to be missing the point.
It's going to be kicking the Hemi out soon.
I don't think ANYONE would care if they Hurricane came out and Ram committed to keeping the 5.7 Hemi or another large v8 style engine.

The problem is the Hurricane is going to be kicking the Hemi out at least on the 1500s based upon Ram's current track record. There is almost no information that makes it looks like they will keep the 5.7 around. eTorque being the only option for 2023s, and eTorque being junk compared to the alternative which is why they will no longer use it.
eTorque is not on the 6.4, and as far as I know they will not be offering it on the Hurricane engine so why support such a pointless mild hybrid system. If anything they should of axe'd the etorque and kept the 5.7 as the only option for 2023 and then offer the hurricane for their epa ratings and keep the 5.7 alone OR retire the 5.7 and put 6.4s in the 1500s at an extra $1000 over the 5.7

If they were going to use 6.4s in the 1500s they would have done that by now, but that would hurt the EPA ratings more than the 5.7. To me the etorque was a band aid to keep the Hemi around until a suitable replacement was available.

Don't get me wrong, I love me Hemi and the sound it makes, but it's not going to hurt my feelings if/when it gets replaced by a better performing engine. People wanting to hold on to a V8 engine option are o my doing so because they are stuck in old school thought process. Granted, that has made Dodge/Ram a viable company with the nostalgia of the Hemi and the marketing behind it. But it's been around for almost 20 years with only minor improvements.

 

[HSKR R/T]

I don’t know, man. I notice a huge difference between my truck and my wife’s twin turbo Navigator. I always forget about the lag until I’m jumping into a tight gap - one that my truck would easily make it into. It isn’t a horsepower thing (it has 500 HP), it’s the spool-up that is noticeable. Personally, it would drive me nuts on a daily basis until I was used to it.

You can't really compare a V6 to an I-6(that you have never driven). And as you said, you get used to it. Sometimes my Hemi Ram hesitates searching for gears trying to pull into traffic from a slow roll.

 

[wegasque]

Can’t wait for FCA to announce they’re bringing back the minivan.

No need to anounce it - it's stil available. Feel free to build one online and order it up with the optional tow package.

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[Dewey]

If they were going to use 6.4s in the 1500s they would have done that by now, but that would hurt the EPA ratings more than the 5.7. To me the etorque was a band aid to keep the Hemi around until a suitable replacement was available.

Don't get me wrong, I love me Hemi and the sound it makes, but it's not going to hurt my feelings if/when it gets replaced by a better performing engine. People wanting to hold on to a V8 engine option are o my doing so because they are stuck in old school thought process. Granted, that has made Dodge/Ram a viable company with the nostalgia of the Hemi and the marketing behind it. But it's been around for almost 20 years with only minor improvements.

I would say mid-300 hp in the earlier Hemi’s to over 700 hp in the TRX is more than minor improvements.

 

[HSKR R/T]

I would say mid-300 hp in the earlier Hemi’s to over 700 hp in the TRX is more than minor improvements.

The 5.7 and 6.2 in the TRX share little between each other