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Idle Surging when put into reverse

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I'll start the truck and all is fine, but once I put it into gear it'll start bucking and the RPM's will surge up and down. This has plagued me since I bought the truck new with almost no miles on it. It has happened 95% of the time on a cold start and has happened a couple to few times once the engine has been warm. It happens there-again about 95% of the time when shifted from P to R on a cold start and has only ever happened from P to D once or twice.

Now, the video I'm showing the truck only had 500 miles on it at that time when I was able to capture that video of it happening. I've tried since to get a better video but this is the best one I have to date and I'm almost to 8k miles now.

Here's a catch though to twist this even further. 16 seconds into the video you'll see me shift into D because I was seeing if that would help the truck figure out whatever was going on. You can't tell from the video outside of the RPM surging more wildly, but at this point the truck starting violently thrusting forward. If you listen in the video, you'll hear the AC blowing in the beginning because on that particular day it was hot outside. At 20 seconds you'll hear the AC shut completely off, the RPM's will slightly stabilize but still move a little. The motor fan upfront is still on from the sound of it. And then at about 45 seconds you'll hear the AC ramping back to full capacity. After the truck is warmed up the idle is smooth and these issues almost never exist. As previously mentioned however this has happened to me once warm though but it is extremely rare once warm.

This isn't on every start up but the ones it does it's extremely embarrassing. It never fails to be when someone is with me and waiting on me to back up to load something or when we are leaving wherever we might be. They either think I'm doing it acting like a jacka** or can tell something is wrong and ask "isn't this a brand new truck?" Which is a huge shot right to the gonads because who wants issues like this before a truck ever even breaks 1k miles.

Now, to go ahead and help this conversation. Yes, I have taken it to the dealership and YES believe it or now they were able to replicate this happening. The tech who did said there were no codes being shown and he couldn't begin to guess why this was happening. He only recommended that, because of how the AC seemed tied to it perhaps, I should try not having "Auto" selected for my AC and should instead select a low fan speed so when I'd start my truck the AC wouldn't tax it.

So I'm curious, are there others that have this same issue? Perhaps any TSB's? Even if not, has anyone witnessed anything like this before and have any suggestions? I've read around on the internet and found the usual vacuum leak, IAC, MAF, etc. Just curious if there's a fix so I can point the techs in the right direction before I go dump this thing off at the dealership until they figure it out taking who knows what length of time.

Here's the video since there seems to be no way to upload it here and it's by far the best way to see/hear/understand what's going on.
 

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Check the TSB for the engine compartment grounds. A lack of good grounding could cause that
 

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Check the TSB for the engine compartment grounds. A lack of good grounding could cause that
Just did! Unfortunately my truck was built after the TSB. I've always wondered where to view the TSB's and your comment actually got me to look more on the forum page and I found it. I'm new around here so I didn't see it before. Going to read through all of these for sure.
 

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Just did! Unfortunately my truck was built after the TSB. I've always wondered where to view the TSB's and your comment actually got me to look more on the forum page and I found it. I'm new around here so I didn't see it before. Going to read through all of these for sure.

Other thing that'll do that is a vacuum leak, check all your hoses or spray some starting fluid around them to see if the idle goes up
 

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Could be a problematic fuel injector. Might be leaking down and acts normal as fuel pump builds pressure after running for a few minutes, could be stuck open/closed. There have been a few trucks that have similar issues i believe.
 

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This is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what was causing this?

I have an idle surge when in Park on cold starts. I'll try to get a video of it and start my own thread if no answer here. It will also surge when in drive and can even surge the truck forward when it happens and my foot is off the brake in D.
 

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This is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what was causing this?

I have an idle surge when in Park on cold starts. I'll try to get a video of it and start my own thread if no answer here. It will also surge when in drive and can even surge the truck forward when it happens and my foot is off the brake in D.

I apologize for the trouble, @19TXLimited. If you are not able to determine a solution based on suggestions from fellow forum members and you decide to address this with your Ram dealer, please do not hesitate to follow up with us via private message. We would be more than happy to get you set up with a specialist for an additional layer of support for the dealer process!

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I’m here to tag along. Bought my 5th G last year in July. It had the same symptoms at first then cleared up. I recently start towing a travel trailer and now the problem is back and possibly worse. The travel trailer part may be coincidence but who knows. If I discover anything, I will gladly update the group also.

2019 Ram 1500 4x4 Bighorn Hemi
 

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I am having the exact same problem. Truck started doing it the second day I had it. It seems to do it on a cold start on a hot day and the air conditioner is on. I park in a tight parking lot at work and it is hard to maneuver with the engine surging. Sometimes the air conditioner will shut off for 15 to 20 seconds and come on again. It literally happens everyday. Has anyone found any solutions yet?
 

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I am having the exact same problem. Truck started doing it the second day I had it. It seems to do it on a cold start on a hot day and the air conditioner is on. I park in a tight parking lot at work and it is hard to maneuver with the engine surging. Sometimes the air conditioner will shut off for 15 to 20 seconds and come on again. It literally happens everyday. Has anyone found any solutions yet?

I haven't taken mine in for this yet. Trying to get it video documented for the dealer a couple times and figure out what is causing mine. I do believe that mine does this on hot days with AC running. I am going to try and get a video of what I am referring to today. Mine is almost like a bell curve of the RPM when idling, but I have also had the extreme surge of power when pulling out of my parking garage at work which almost caused me to ram another car. I won't be able to get the surging power on video most likely, but I can get the "bell curve" idle RPM.
 

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I haven't taken mine in for this yet. Trying to get it video documented for the dealer a couple times and figure out what is causing mine. I do believe that mine does this on hot days with AC running. I am going to try and get a video of what I am referring to today. Mine is almost like a bell curve of the RPM when idling, but I have also had the extreme surge of power when pulling out of my parking garage at work which almost caused me to ram another car. I won't be able to get the surging power on video most likely, but I can get the "bell curve" idle RPM.
I am having the exact same problem. Truck started doing it the second day I had it. It seems to do it on a cold start on a hot day and the air conditioner is on. I park in a tight parking lot at work and it is hard to maneuver with the engine surging. Sometimes the air conditioner will shut off for 15 to 20 seconds and come on again. It literally happens everyday. Has anyone found any solutions yet?

I apologize for the trouble, @19TXLimited & @TDS721. Please know that our team is just a private message away and we are more than willing to escalate cases on your behalf for further support as you work with your dealers.

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2020 Ram 1500 Bighorn same problem, noticed it when driving under 10 mph, going to dealer this week. the last vehicle I had do that was the program needed an update. Has that been done to any of your guys yet?
 

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I still haven't taken my truck in. Right now I am barely driving the truck as I work from home for the time being. Planning to get in to the dealer to have them take a look here soon though...before I have to start making the 60 mile round trip commute again.
 

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2020 Ram 1500 Bighorn same problem, noticed it when driving under 10 mph, going to dealer this week. the last vehicle I had do that was the program needed an update. Has that been done to any of your guys yet?

I still haven't taken my truck in. Right now I am barely driving the truck as I work from home for the time being. Planning to get in to the dealer to have them take a look here soon though...before I have to start making the 60 mile round trip commute again.
Hi @Howie77 & @19TXLimited - If it would be of interest, our team is a private message and we are more than willing to escalate your situation to a Case Manager which will provide the dealership and yourself with an individual who will review your concern, then assist you and the dealership in exhausting all available resources to have the concern addressed and resolved.

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I am having the exact same problem. Truck started doing it the second day I had it. It seems to do it on a cold start on a hot day and the air conditioner is on. I park in a tight parking lot at work and it is hard to maneuver with the engine surging. Sometimes the air conditioner will shut off for 15 to 20 seconds and come on again. It literally happens everyday. Has anyone found any solutions yet?
Mine does EXACTLY the same thing. Well almost. My A/C has only shut off three times now. Comes back on after 20 seconds. But's it's always after a cold start on a hot day w/ A/C running.
But it always surges for the first 20-30 feet under those conditions.
 

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My 2020 Longhorn 5.7 has the same problem almost since delivery. I've put up with it for 6 months and it's currently at the dealer. They claim they can't replicate it. Has anyone successfully had this cold idle problem corrected?
 

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So, after forgetting to check this for quite some time I’m relieved to know I’m not the only one while saddened to see others with the issue, as it’s a very frustrating one. It makes doing the finer movements very hard. Forget about switching between R and D for any sort of maneuver.

But, my issue still persists. With summer kicking back up the heat, and the AC kicking back on, the issue has sprouted its head once again. I’ve added a few other issues since then and will discuss them now in case anyone runs in to these and we can rule these out.

The truck started sounding like a 90s Ford Tractor. Very clattery, like a diesel sputtering around. I took the truck to the dealer and they found the left exhaust manifold was leaking. After replacement the truck sounded much much better, much smoother. However, this did not solve the engine surge.

Now the truck started having what I suspect to be another exhaust leak (probably the other side I guess), so I’m taking it in tomorrow to have that fixed. Also, while I’m there I’m having my blinker stick looked at, as it gets hung up after completing a turn. And then I’ve started to notice a slight thump in my rear gearbox when I switch the truck to R out of P. I’m having the truck looked over yet again for the engine surge too, although I doubt I’ll get any results. It is worth mentioning if I haven’t already in this thread, I did get the dealer to acknowledge the engine surge. Just no luck in sniffing out a cause. Wish me luck and I’ll report back if I find anything!
 

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Just started experiencing this. Though it has nothing to do with the transmission for me.

I echo the folks noting cold start on hot days. Under those conditions, I;m now idling rough and almost stalling. Once truck is warm, no issues.

Vacuum leak? Injector? PCM?

If there is a fix for this all good but I don't want this to plague me for years trying to troubleshoot.
 

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I'll start the truck and all is fine, but once I put it into gear it'll start bucking and the RPM's will surge up and down. This has plagued me since I bought the truck new with almost no miles on it. It has happened 95% of the time on a cold start and has happened a couple to few times once the engine has been warm. It happens there-again about 95% of the time when shifted from P to R on a cold start and has only ever happened from P to D once or twice.

Now, the video I'm showing the truck only had 500 miles on it at that time when I was able to capture that video of it happening. I've tried since to get a better video but this is the best one I have to date and I'm almost to 8k miles now.

Here's a catch though to twist this even further. 16 seconds into the video you'll see me shift into D because I was seeing if that would help the truck figure out whatever was going on. You can't tell from the video outside of the RPM surging more wildly, but at this point the truck starting violently thrusting forward. If you listen in the video, you'll hear the AC blowing in the beginning because on that particular day it was hot outside. At 20 seconds you'll hear the AC shut completely off, the RPM's will slightly stabilize but still move a little. The motor fan upfront is still on from the sound of it. And then at about 45 seconds you'll hear the AC ramping back to full capacity. After the truck is warmed up the idle is smooth and these issues almost never exist. As previously mentioned however this has happened to me once warm though but it is extremely rare once warm.

This isn't on every start up but the ones it does it's extremely embarrassing. It never fails to be when someone is with me and waiting on me to back up to load something or when we are leaving wherever we might be. They either think I'm doing it acting like a jacka** or can tell something is wrong and ask "isn't this a brand new truck?" Which is a huge shot right to the gonads because who wants issues like this before a truck ever even breaks 1k miles.

Now, to go ahead and help this conversation. Yes, I have taken it to the dealership and YES believe it or now they were able to replicate this happening. The tech who did said there were no codes being shown and he couldn't begin to guess why this was happening. He only recommended that, because of how the AC seemed tied to it perhaps, I should try not having "Auto" selected for my AC and should instead select a low fan speed so when I'd start my truck the AC wouldn't tax it.

So I'm curious, are there others that have this same issue? Perhaps any TSB's? Even if not, has anyone witnessed anything like this before and have any suggestions? I've read around on the internet and found the usual vacuum leak, IAC, MAF, etc. Just curious if there's a fix so I can point the techs in the right direction before I go dump this thing off at the dealership until they figure it out taking who knows what length of time.

Here's the video since there seems to be no way to upload it here and it's by far the best way to see/hear/understand what's going on.

I have a 2020 Big horn North 4x4 that I purchased in Aug 2020. I've had the same issue with my truck. I never took it into the dealer. It buck so bad when I was leaving my house a guy on a bicycle thought I was drunk. The issue seemed liked it cleared up on it's own. I now have 13K miles on the truck now after almost a year. The other day it started doing something similar. I started it up backed out of the driveway drove it about 150 yards to a stop sign, then as I was gradually slowing down almost stopped at the sign, BAM felt like a surge or someone hitting me from behind, the a/c shut down and then switched over to manual ac mode. A week later same issue again as I backed out of my driveway then started pulling forward BAM.
What the heck is going on with these trucks?

Please Please if anyone finds the solution please post it. I would really appreciate it and other will to I'm sure of it!
 

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