Freedom Convoy

[theblet]

I applaud these drivers. They are peacefully fighting for our freedom, while the establishment is taking it away.
@Mountain Whiskey is right on. Just about everything you hear from the liberal media is they create the narrative, and people fall for it. Also big tech, controlled by the regime, cancels anyone who says differently. You think these career politicians give a crap about us? Nerp……

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

Don't fool yourself, the people who took over Portland (I think that was the city) are being pursued/punished. The capital is more rapidly happening because there were tons of videos to show who was doing what. It's much easier to monitor a single building during one day than a whole city over multiple days.
Also don't fool yourself into thinking that the insurrection was by harmless people either. You don't need to "fire shots" to hurt or kill someone.
You're implying they weren't hurting anyone? It sure looks like he's in pain to me
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Not to mention the hundreds of other officers and civilians who were injured. This was not a peaceful protest in the least bit, don't kid yourself. They should be prosecuted. That said, so should the people who took over a city. Neither of these groups are free from fault.

Insurrection is just one more false narrative.

There are many many videos that show the few that did do vandalism getting shouted down and pulled back by the main crowd. Most probably did not think they were doing much harm when things started since the police opened barricades and waved them in. When entering the building the police stood by and watched. Made conversation. Things did get out of hand in small areas. Was it blown out of proportion? When Ashley was murdered, there were two cops standing in front of the crowd at the door. Were they beaten or accosted? No. They did look behind them where the murderer and his accomplices stood, saw them and walked away through the crowd unharmed.

Two people were murdered that day. Ashley, who was shot in the neck and another woman who was beaten badly by police in another area and refused to allow anyone to help treat her so she died on the ground. That one is less publicized.

No cop was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher as CNN would have you believe, no one else died of violence that day. Just unarmed protestors who wanted their voices heard. That would never happen standing on a sidewalk miles from the city. It is the people's capitol.

Insurrection is a serious crime. None have been charged with this as this crime did not happen. The crime of taking political prisoners and voiding constitutional rights, skirting laws? Yes, those crimes were committed and are still going on. We don't do this to Taliban terrorists on our soil but we do it to America citizens. That is the true crime.

 

[ferraiolo1]

Yeah that’s just the far left exaggerating things the far right did.

Again both morons, neither was right. And that “insurrection” should have never happened.


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[theblet]

There was no insurrection. Pelosi and her thugs started throwing that word around. They figure if people hear it enough, they’ll believe it. And most that can’t think for themselves do. Then they impeach the president for saying go peacefully protest the ballot harvesting voter fraud. So sad

 

[User_34235]

WOW.....just WOW

 

[Shots]

I applaud these drivers. They are peacefully fighting for our freedom, while the establishment is taking it away.
@Mountain Whiskey is right on. Just about everything you hear from the liberal media is they create the narrative, and people fall for it. Also big tech, controlled by the regime, cancels anyone who says differently. You think these career politicians give a crap about us? Nerp……

I agree. Liberal media spins their web of lies and then people on social media spread it like wide fire while adding half truths and opinions without fact checking anything for themselves. Then the lemmings read/watch it all, and gobble it up as fact, and report the "facts" they've heard to the people they talk to.
So yes, you guys are right the media never tells the whole story. They tell the story that makes them the most money (more viewers/adverts/subscriptions/etc). Nothing more, nothing less. They're a business and they'll spin events whichever way makes them the most money.

As for cancel culture, it annoys me. Once upon a time if you disagreed with someone, you could still be friends. Now people take it personally and act like you don't like them just because you don't agree with them. Likewise, if you were offended by something, you avoided that thing. For example, you don't like the name Cleveland Indians you either don't watch baseball, or you root for the Cincinnati Reds. Not now. Now we change the name to the Cleveland Guardians. And yes, people claim it was changed because it was racist, but if we're going to go down that rabbit hole, why are we not changing Notre Dame's logo and name? I mean, the "Fighting Irish" with a leprechaun looking dude with his fists up isn't racist? Come on now, there's no way that's less racist than any other team that's recently been renamed.
To be clear, I don't want them to change Notre Dame's name/logo.

As for the career politicians giving a crap about us. No, definitely not. I think there should be term limits imposed on EVERY office. President, congress, senate, supreme court justice, everything. This would help assure they are doing what's right for the county, not just what benefits them.

Insurrection is just one more false narrative.

Okay, maybe a poor choice of words. Sorry I used the term that is commonly used to refer to the incident for the ease of reference. Call it what you will, but it was NOT peaceful.

... .another woman who was beaten badly by police in another area and refused to allow anyone to help treat her so she died on the ground. ....

Well then, she made her choice. She wanted to die a martyr and she accomplished her goal. For all we know she provoked what happened to achieve that goal (I don't know the details nor do I care). Whether she instigated it or not doesn't matter, at the end of the day it still happened. I'm not condoning it, provoked or not. My point is, I hope the choice to refuse treatment so she could die to be a statistic for someone's argument was worth it. Stupid choice in my opinion but people have died for stupider things I guess.

 

[Shots]

****** Side note ******

On the topic of disagreeing with people. Thank you all for keeping this discussion civil. There's a reason the thread hasn't been locked. Because it's a conversation, not people making childish insults. Good job everyone, keep it up.

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

I agree. Liberal media spins their web of lies and then people on social media spread it like wide fire while adding half truths and opinions without fact checking anything for themselves. Then the lemmings read/watch it all, and gobble it up as fact, and report the "facts" they've heard to the people they talk to.
So yes, you guys are right the media never tells the whole story. They tell the story that makes them the most money (more viewers/adverts/subscriptions/etc). Nothing more, nothing less. They're a business and they'll spin events whichever way makes them the most money.

As for cancel culture, it annoys me. Once upon a time if you disagreed with someone, you could still be friends. Now people take it personally and act like you don't like them just because you don't agree with them. Likewise, if you were offended by something, you avoided that thing. For example, you don't like the name Cleveland Indians you either don't watch baseball, or you root for the Cincinnati Reds. Not now. Now we change the name to the Cleveland Guardians. And yes, people claim it was changed because it was racist, but if we're going to go down that rabbit hole, why are we not changing Notre Dame's logo and name? I mean, the "Fighting Irish" with a leprechaun looking dude with his fists up isn't racist? Come on now, there's no way that's less racist than any other team that's recently been renamed.
To be clear, I don't want them to change Notre Dame's name/logo.

As for the career politicians giving a crap about us. No, definitely not. I think there should be term limits imposed on EVERY office. President, congress, senate, supreme court justice, everything. This would help assure they are doing what's right for the county, not just what benefits them.


Okay, maybe a poor choice of words. Sorry I used the term that is commonly used to refer to the incident for the ease of reference. Call it what you will, but it was NOT peaceful.


Well then, she made her choice. She wanted to die a martyr and she accomplished her goal. For all we know she provoked what happened to achieve that goal (I don't know the details nor do I care). Whether she instigated it or not doesn't matter, at the end of the day it still happened. I'm not condoning it, provoked or not. My point is, I hope the choice to refuse treatment so she could die to be a statistic for someone's argument was worth it. Stupid choice in my opinion but people have died for stupider things I guess.

I think you missed it. Lila Morris (the capitol jackboot) continued to beat an unconscious woman in the head as she lay on the ground. Many people begged to stop and let them help her but the cops would not let them near. The crowd managed to grab the guy that was with her and pull him to safety but she laid there and died.

Lila Jackboot, crowned a hero of the day for saving our country from an unconscious woman that was trampled then beaten about the head with a baton. She was hardly a martyr. You will notice most original videos of the incident are gone from the web (at least from a Google search).

 

[Shots]

Yes, I did misunderstand. Thanks for the clarification, I though you were saying she chose to not be treated. You're saying people weren't allow to treat her. If that's the case it will end no differently than the Floyd case. The court will have access to unedited videos and statements, whether they're online or not. If it actually happened as alleged, those involved will be prosecuted and convicted. If not, they won't.

Although I won't notice what is/isn't available online, because I'm not looking for it. I don't waste my time because I can't get all the true facts as a private citizen. Without all the facts, and especially "facts" provided from a biased source you'll get whatever result you are seeking to find.
For example:
Go to a BLM sight and look up Tamir Rice, and you'll find tons of "facts" that support the police unjustly killed him. However, if you do your research on a pro-police site, you'll find tons of "facts" that show they did nothing wrong. Both are biased and will emphasize the facts that support their view, while dismissing and/or discrediting those that appose it.
Whether either site is intentionally slanting the story is debatable, but the fact remains the bias (implicit and/or explicit) exists. The capital incident is no different. Depending on where you look, you'll get the "evidence" you are looking for to support either side of the argument. Our only hope is that the courts (and jury of 12 random people) evaluate all of the evidence without bias.

Speaking of finding what you're looking for. One of my physics professors once told the class, that the problem with an experiment is you will always get a result. That seemed logical enough, but the point was that the result is not always accurate. If you methodology is flawed and/or you introduce too many variables, you may not get an accurate result.
So for example you may theorize that water does not freezes at 32° and it's all a big conspiracy. You set up your experiment, freeze some water, and hey presto it doesn't freeze until 28°. You've been proven right, you can the tell the world the 32° story is a lie, and you have evidence to prove it. Except, you screwed up and accidentally tested sea water, instead of fresh water. You did an experiment and got a result just like my professor said. If you were looking for proof that water doesn't freeze at 32° are you looking any further or you're satisfied that you found the proof you expected to find?
So if you're looking for proof that someone did something wrong are you looking further after you find "proof" that they did? Or are you satisfied that you found the result you expected to find?

 

[CrazyWorld]

So.......how you guys feeling about the upcoming baseball season?

 

[Snekpete]

Speaking of finding what you're looking for. One of my physics professors once told the class, that the problem with an experiment is you will always get a result.

Actually, that is the narrow view of a teacher. In the real world, many experiments turn up no meaningful results. However, no meaningful result will not get published, it will not advance a career and it will certainly not result in funding. Therefore most experiments, and theories, must produce meaningful results.

A good example is LIGO, the gravitational wave detector. At a cost of over $1,000,000,000 (one billion) dollars, the researchers would forfeit their reputations and career if they came back and said, nope, we didn't find anything. They absolutely must have found the elusive waves. A big downside of this is that there is usefulness in knowing that an experiment didn't find any results.

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

Actually, that is the narrow view of a teacher. In the real world, many experiments turn up no meaningful results. However, no meaningful result will not get published, it will not advance a career and it will certainly not result in funding. Therefore most experiments, and theories, must produce meaningful results.

A good example is LIGO, the gravitational wave detector. At a cost of over $1,000,000,000 (one billion) dollars, the researchers would forfeit their reputations and career if they came back and said, nope, we didn't find anything. They absolutely must have found the elusive waves. A big downside of this is that there is usefulness in knowing that an experiment didn't find any results.

This example of LIGO matches Google and other media that bend the "truth" to their narrative.

When working averages, you toss out extreme outliers as they tend to be anomalies and skews the results. When you control media, you can just decide results you wish to achieve and filter to those.

As for justice in any Jan 6 case? No. That will not happen either. It did not happen for Ashley. Pathetic theatrics by the murderer about his traumatic experience aside, it was much more traumatic for the girl being shot in the neck. The others being denied rights given to all on American soil? They are still rotting. They did not kill anyone. Did not burn offices. Did not topple statues. Did not destroy historic artwork. Yes, one guy did fondle Nancy's gavel and someone did have their feet on her desk. Political prisoners.

 

[Mountain Whiskey]

So.......how you guys feeling about the upcoming baseball season?

Oh with all the covid arguing and PC name arguments it has become just too political to watch. I don't get involved in political debate. I am one of the sheeple. I bury my head in the sand and pretend it does not exist. Therefore, I don't watch because it does not exist.

Lalalalalalala....

 

[theblet]

Lol. There are people STILL in jail that were escorted into the capital by the police. But ray epps is all good.

 

[Shots]

So.......how you guys feeling about the upcoming baseball season?

I'm looking forward to it. Go Guardians!!!

It's going to take a little time to get used to the new name, but I will.

Actually, that is the narrow view of a teacher. In the real world, many experiments turn up no meaningful results. ....

I think you might have missed the point. The point wasn't that you must have meaningful results for an experiment to be a success. As you said, in some cases no result is a result, and sometimes an unintended result is meaningful one. A great example of that is Pfizer unintentionally coming up with E.D. medication (Viagra) while trying to create blood pressure medicine. That has helped millions of men improve or regain their sex lives. I'd certainly call that meaningful, and it wasn't their intended result.

The point was that you must be thorough and accurate. Which was why I brought it up in the first place. Research, like experimenting, must be thorough and accurate. You must use credible sources and you can't stop once you find the information that supports your hypothesis.
I'm not saying anyone here hasn't been thorough or accurate because I don't know what kind of research anyone has done. It's not like any of our opinions on any of this really matters, so obviously everyone should do as much or little research as they want.

I was cautioning (as my professor had) that you will get a result one way or another, even if you're not careful. You may get lucky and find some truth, but not the whole truth. After all, the water didn't freeze at 32° as hypothesized so it was true, but that's not the whole truth about water.
Likewise 5 people died during the capital incident (including an officer), but that's not whole truth about what happened is it? It all depends on the source as to what the causes were.

1. Officer Sicknick died as a result of injuries sustained by being physically assaulted. (*No he wasn't shot as previously mentioned but you don't have to be shot to be killed) - CNN
2. Ashli Babbitt was shot by Capital police who were reportedly protecting congress members that were sheltering in the house chambers. She was allegedly immediately given aid and taken to a hospital. I don't know how fast the response actually was, this is a single source. - CNN
3. Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack amongst the crowd of like minded supporters. - CNN, MSN, NY Times
4. Benjamin Philips died of a stroke, but the specific location wasn't noted. - MSN
5. Rosanne Boyland died of different causes depending on the source. (*She's presumably the one that's been mentioned in this thread) She was either beaten by police, trampled by protesters, fell from scaffolding or suffered a drug overdose. If you pick a single source and believe it to be the only truth you my be completely wrong, or you may have water that freezes at 28°. With 4 possible options you've only got a 25% chance of finding the real answer, and that's not considering that there are other options I probably didn't find in my quick search.

My point is. Be thorough and check multiple sources. We can let our preconception skew/cloud our analytical mind.

 

[Shots]

And I'll leave this here since we've brought up baseball again.


I'm amped for another great season. They've let me down a lot less over the years than my Browns have.

 

[ferraiolo1]

Yay sports


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[Scap]

And I'll leave this here since we've brought up baseball again.

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I'm amped for another great season. They've let me down a lot less over the years than my Browns have.

What is that?

 

[Finn5033]

That is the most frustrating thing for me and a lot of people. It’s very hard if not impossible to find the truth. I believe both sides are insanely corrupt and don’t care at all about us. You have your extreme left and extreme right but most of us fall in the middle of all that nonsense. What we really need is a complete purging of the political landscape in this country.

 

[Shots]

What is that?

LOL that's our new logo for the Guardians. Strange yes, I know. Chief Wahoo may have been offensive but at least we knew what it was. I have no idea what the symbolism is on the new one.